Sarkozy warns Russia: withdraw from South Ossetia or face the consequences

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The ABM Treaty existed for a reason! It was a cornerstone of Mutually Assured Destruction. You know, Nuclear Deterrence, the thing that brought the world through the Cold War.

It's Bush's arrogance and the populations ignorance that will bring about a Nuclear Holocaust.

Edit to add: Maybe you misspoke, but the Boost Phase is the optimum time to hit a missile, not reentry.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by HimWhoHathAnEar]

You know you are living in seriously strange and conflicted times when the French decide to openly issue threats against the Russian government...lol.


What is wrong with this picture?

Russians are pulling out, slowly.

Russian pullback in Georgia said "far too slow"

news.yahoo.com...

GORI, Georgia (Reuters) - Russia said it was on course to complete a partial pullback of troops from Georgia by Friday night but the United States and Germany said they had not seen clear evidence of a substantial withdrawal.

The top U.S. general in Europe, Gen. John Craddock, condemned the pullout, after fighting that has killed hundreds and made refugees of tens of thousands, as "far too little, far too slow."

Russia and Georgia went to war after Tbilisi tried to retake the Russian-backed breakaway province of South Ossetia on August 7-8, provoking an overwhelming counter-attack from Moscow.

Moscow insisted that the withdrawal was proceeding punctually but the German government said as of Friday morning "it was not clear that one could say with any certainty that a substantial withdrawal was taking place."

It appears as though the Russians wanted to leave on their own terms, and not give the false impression that they were indeed caving in to threats and orders from the USA, UN and NATO.

On the way out, or on the move toward Poland?

Keep an eye out for breaking news regarding the US missile defense shield in Poland... As the Georgian crisis cools, I expect things to heat up quickly in Poland.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by The_Alarmist2012]

Sarkozy warns Russia: withdraw from South Ossetia or face the consequences. Too right Blackops. I imagine upon hearing this, the entire Putin administration spent the entire afternoon rolling around the floor with laughter.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by kindred]



Saakashvili eats his tie while on the phone to the Whitehouse and was heard shouting, "get me out of here, where's my plane".



Sarkozy turns up half drunk for press conference about Putin and South Ossetia. When you're going to threaten a super power like Russia, there's nothing wrong with a dose of dutch courage.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by kindred]

White House rejects Russia's pullout claim

news.yahoo.com...

GORI, Georgia (Reuters) - Russia said on Friday it had completed its pullout of troops from Georgia proper, but the White House swiftly rejected Moscow's claim that it was now in compliance with a French-brokered ceasefire.

Russia said it had left peacekeepers manning checkpoints inside Georgia, stoking Western fears that Moscow aims to keep a stranglehold on the ex-Soviet republic's economy and to annex additional territory to breakaway South Ossetia by stealth.

Earlier, Reuters reporters saw convoys of tanks and trucks heading northwards into rebel-held parts of Georgia.

There was no sign of Russian forces moving on into Russia from South Ossetia, underlining Tbilisi's concern that Moscow plans to maintain a large military presence in that province.

Pivital quote from the article:

"It is my understanding that they have not completely withdrawn from areas considered undisputed territory and they need to do that," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told reporters in Texas, where U.S. President George W. Bush is on a two-week working holiday.

The Bush administration clearly wants to keep this going, despite the Russian pull out. Or perhaps Bush wants the world do believe that the Russians are following his orders, but not fast enough?

How bizarre, how bizarre.

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Holy crap he does look wasted in that video

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Wow...I think he really IS drunk in that video. That is hilarious, and would indeed explain a lot. Good find

@ Kindred

Sarkozy turns up half drunk for press conference about Putin and South Ossetia. When you're going to threaten a super power like Russia, there's nothing wrong with a dose of dutch courage.

At least you should get your fact straight, this Sarkozy video is an old one, taken at a G8 summit and has nothing to do with Putin and the current situation in Ossetia.

There is absolutely no way Russia would withdraw from S. Ossetia. If anything, Georgia and its Western supporters should be indefinitely happy if the status quo (as before August 7th) is restored.

Saakashvilli and his Western friends really have no bargaining chips here. What are they going to do if Russia refuses to leave S. Ossetia and Georgian bases? Threaten to stop buying Russian oil and gas? Oh yeah that'll work well. Threaten let Georgia join NATO? It was going to join NATO all along so what is Russia losing. Threaten to have the Western media paint Russia to be a big angry bear? Oops too late - already done. Threaten to boot Russia out of G8? I am sure Putin will be distraught over this for an entire 3 seconds.


Seriously the U.S. and NATO are looking more and more ridiculous threating Russia over Georgia. They already said they are not getting militarily involved, so whats with all the empty threats? Russia largely defeated the Georgian military, and theoretically could take all the time it wants before leaving.

PopeyeFAFL
At least you should get your fact straight, this Sarkozy video is an old one, taken at a G8 summit and has nothing to do with Putin and the current situation in Ossetia.

Well I know it was after a meeting with Putin and I don't speak French, but yes looks like you're right, it was at the G8 summit, but it's still damn funny. After all I wasn't exactly being serious, just humorous.

maloy- The west has absolutely no credibility. The amount of propaganda and lies is truly ridiculous. The Russians have handled the situation well and are now the ones calling the shots. NATO and all the lying politicians don't have a leg to stand on. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to stop them peddling even more nonsense. No doubt the propaganda and lies will continue.



[edit on 23-8-2008 by kindred]

Comedy Central's john Stewart on the War in Georgia:

www.echo.msk.ru...


The link is Russia and the two videos have Russian subtitles - but are in English. Couldn't find them on youtube. Why aren't as many Americans watching the Daily Show as they are watching CNN? Comedy it may be - but at least it's honest. Very nice analysis.

With Russia toting a line much like the United States, any nation seeking an affiliation or protection under the umbrella of their democracy will get it.

Who is the UN to say that Russia cannot protect the people that are asking for thier help?

The seeds the US has sown are coming back to grow in our own garden.

Do you allow separatists who want to exist under the umbrella of democracy or is it merely your own version of democracy?

Russia moved without a flinch in this situation and we saw her flex quickly.

As Americans, we should support justice, and should their have been people being killed by Georgia, then let the evidence show. For the time being, I think Russia is showing that she may not be as impotent as one may think.

We should seek peaceful resolution, and Georgia IMO was wrong on the initiation of military action.

Pullout or not, if Georgia has her way, the people that initiated the breakaway will be jailed if not killed. Protections need to be in place that are fair and equitable.

Peace


[edit on 23-8-2008 by HIFIGUY]

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Good analysis. Both - U.S. and Russian governments are highly hypocritical in approaching this war, which makes both sides inherently wrong even based on their own idealogies.


Russia intervened in Georgia as Georgia was trying to reintegrate its break-away republic through violent military action. Russia is hypocritical in that Georgia's actions somewhat mirror Russia's own actions in Chechenya. The circumstances were different and there were no peacekeepers or Georgia civilians there, but the underlying theme is the same. Georgia attempted to regain control over the hostile separatists by bombing them into submission. Russia attempted to regain control over hostlie Chechen separatists by bombing them into submission.



U.S. for its part threw full support behind Georgia's violent methods (against civilians) of forcing S. Ossetians into submissions. A decade ago when Serbia was doing much the same thing against separatists in Kosovo, NATO and U.S. threw full support behind the rebels and hevily bombed Serbia and Belgrade, afterwards forcing a regime change in Serbia. Then U.S. backed Kosovo independence, while Russia warned of the dangerous precedent. Now that Russia's warning came true, the U.S. is acting out a role of a hypoctite.

Moreover Bush and his administration found the decency to accuse Russia of invading a sovereign nation and trying to force a regime change, adding that "war is not how things are done in the 21st century". What about the invasion of Iraq? Did that suddenly slip from the 21st century into oblivion?