Sarkozy warns Russia: withdraw from South Ossetia or face the consequences, page 3

reply to post by welivefortheson

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Nothing to worry about, you read an article... etc.

I appreciate the input, but how can we be sure that what you are saying is true without some supportive evidence.

Everyone seems to have the perception that Russia's military is some backward, broken down, 1970s relic from the past, and is no threat to anyone.

Is that perception only, is it the result of propaganda, assumptions, conjecture, or facts.

If it is facts I'd like to see someone post some.

Seriously, how can we know we are not underestimating this "enemy" without facts?

reply to post by welivefortheson

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i see this all as a method of political manouvering,at home and abroad.at home the seek to rally the people behind them via a common enemy within the context of a war.

I did a double take to see if you were talking about Russia or the US. 'War on Terror' (common enemy), taking on the SuperPower Iraq, etc,etc.....

To add to my previous post:
www.worldreports.org...
it is only about money and financial power…if people are so doomed to see it for what it is then maybe we all deserve a WW3.

Kacou.

Quick update before heading off to work...

Pledging to Leave Georgia, Russia Tightens Its Grip

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — Even as Russia pledged to begin withdrawing its forces from neighboring Georgia on Monday, American officials said the Russian military had been moving launchers for short-range ballistic missiles into South Ossetia, a step that appeared intended to tighten its hold on the breakaway territory.

The Russian military deployed several SS-21 missile launchers and supply vehicles to South Ossetia on Friday, according to American officials familiar with intelligence reports. From the new launching positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, the missiles can reach much of Georgia, including Tbilisi, the capital.

The Kremlin announced Sunday that Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, had promised to begin the troop withdrawal in a conversation with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, who negotiated a six-point cease-fire agreement. Mr. Medvedev did not specify the pace or scope of the withdrawal, saying only that troops would withdraw to South Ossetia and a so-called security zone on its periphery.

Seems like the threats are working,



[edit on 18-8-2008 by The_Alarmist2012]

Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
Quick update before heading off to work...

Pledging to Leave Georgia, Russia Tightens Its Grip

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — Even as Russia pledged to begin withdrawing its forces from neighboring Georgia on Monday, American officials said the Russian military had been moving launchers for short-range ballistic missiles into South Ossetia, a step that appeared intended to tighten its hold on the breakaway territory.

The Russian military deployed several SS-21 missile launchers and supply vehicles to South Ossetia on Friday, according to American officials familiar with intelligence reports. From the new launching positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, the missiles can reach much of Georgia, including Tbilisi, the capital.

The Kremlin announced Sunday that Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, had promised to begin the troop withdrawal in a conversation with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, who negotiated a six-point cease-fire agreement. Mr. Medvedev did not specify the pace or scope of the withdrawal, saying only that troops would withdraw to South Ossetia and a so-called security zone on its periphery.

Seems like the threats are working,



[edit on 18-8-2008 by The_Alarmist2012]

Hurm,The Russians are simply setting up thier security zone around O.S. just in case that idiot in Tbilisi gets any "ideas".

reply to post by The_Alarmist2012

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I do not understand western countries foreign policy. Chechens begged the US and Europe in 1991 and 1999 , just to provide them with stingers and weapons against tanks, plus afew millions of dollars to bribe Russian soldiers and generals, and they promised to reach Moscow in a few weeks and kick the butt of drunk Yeltsin and Putin after that, and to handover Russia to the west as a gift. Insted of helping Chechens to control all the caucasus and secure the already existing oil pipelines and the planned ones, the west betrayed Chechens and plotted with Russians against Chechnya's president Dzhokhar Dudayev , and succeeded in assainating him by providing Russians with CIA -Sat data of his exact location, through Mossad. After that , CIA, Mossad and Russian Intelligence Agency infiltrated the Arab -Afghan Mujahideen into Chechnya to control the Chechen fighters, in afew months, they succeeded in changing the military tactics of Chechen fighters to terrorist tactics, then the whole world changed its opinion about Chechens fight to gain their freedom and inependenc from Russia, and the western main-stream media started to call chechen freedom fighters-Islamic Chechen terrorists.

If the US and Europe in 1991 assisted natural-born Chechen fighters in their war against Russia, today the West wouldn't waste their money on Georgian unqualified soldiers, who fled from the war zone leaving a huge arsenal of american modern weapns as a gift for Russians.

The real problem of the west, specially Western Europe, they can not forget that Arabs and Turks ruled them for more than 10 centuries, so they couldn't trust muslim chechens, instead they gave their keys to christian Russians forgetting Lenin, stalin...etc, forgetting the cold war, forgetting communism, forgetting the Russian crimes against caucasus and eastern european countries for a half century.

So the result: Russia in 2008 threatens to nuke Georgia and Poland , next week London and Paris, after that Newyork and LosAngeles......who is the stupid now????!!!!

reply to post by mike dangerously

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Maybe, or maybe not?

Georgia: 'No Signs' Of Withdrawal

skynews.com

Russian troops are heading deeper into Georgian territory despite a pledge from Moscow that its forces would start withdrawing.

Georgia's foreign affairs ministry said that the troops were moving south from the central city of Kashuri towards Borjomi and Sachkhere.

Russia promised to start pulling out at midday Moscow time after a war that has dealt a humiliating blow to the US ally and raised fears for fuel supplies to Europe.

But Georgia's interior ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said: "Unfortunately, we see no signs that the Russians are starting to pull out or even preparing to withdraw from Georgia."

Sky News' Russia correspondent Alex Rossi, speaking from just outside Gori, said: "There is no real sign of a withdrawal so it is difficult to understand what is going on with the Russians.

"It seems they want to withdraw on their terms."

Off to work, have a nice day.

[edit on 18-8-2008 by The_Alarmist2012]

Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
reply to post by chips

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Actually the words he used were "empty rhetoric" which is both a direct insult and clear provocation to Russian leaders and military commanders.

Simply put... an incredibly stupid and asinine thing to say.

Perhaps some will see the clear prodding and outright provocations going on here, the mystery is WHY?

I don't see Robert Gate's comments anywhere near as provocative or insane as the threat of military action against Poland by Russia. In fact Robert Gates comments were entirely sensible. Giving credence to such inflamatory remarks not only serve to escalate an already tense situation but also create unecessary further instability to the region and the world as a whole.

reply to post by mike dangerously

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I wonder why Georgia and the west did not link between Russian-Chechen conflict an Georgean-Russian conflict???

When Russia thereatens Georgia to assist Abkhazia and South-Osetia to gain their independence, Georgia should do the same by threatning to support chechen fighters in their fight for independence from Russia. Eorope and the US , specially UKraine, could play a big role in putting pressure on Russia by providing Chechen with weapons and money to distract Russians from attacking Georgia throug Ossetia an Abkhazia.

When Russia threatens to use the nukes, Europe and America should do the same because they have more nukes than Russia and western nukes are more effeicient and accurate than Russian rusty old nukes. Even a child knows that nukes will be obsolete in this war, as in the cold war, for 50 years , no one dared to use nukes , the same will happen in this war also, because Russia is also frightened from western nukes. So why are you westerners so cowards, whenever Russia threatens you you loose your focus and start to retreat and beg coward russian for forgiveness.

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