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reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 06:13 AM by theblunttruth
reply to post by tamar.kh85


Absolutely!!! I've been making the Chechan comparison since this conflict started (see my previous posts on other threads) and it has been conveniently overlooked by Western media. Russia are guilty of blind hypocrisy, they were guilty of extreme war crimes against their "break away" region, yet claim "war crimes" as their reason for intervention in Georgia. Truth is it had nothing to do with the break away region, it was an excuse and opportunity to weaken a US ally on their doorstep.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 06:31 AM by spitefulgod
reply to post by Sky watcher



Gates was right by saying what he said because what Russia says is utterly stupid. You don't threaten a country with nukes for wanting to be able to defend itself.


A missle defence is no defense of Poland, merely the US, and if it does come to conflict the Poland will probably not be backed by the US.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 12:29 PM by SRTkid86
reply to post by The_Alarmist2012


i'll put the reason why we would mop the floor with russia very simply...


we spend many times more on our military (not including black budget operations) than EVERY OTHER country in the world does COMBINED.

that is why we are known as the most powerful country in the world. that is whay we can get away with meddling in everyone's affairs.

because other countries simply aren;t dumb enough to provoke us into a full, balls out war... there is no hope in going to war with the US.

now, go ahead and try to use Iraq and an example of us not totally domiating in everything we do, but know this. we have spent the entire war with the gloves on, give us 1 day to take them off, and this war would be over.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 01:29 PM by chapter29
reply to post by The_Alarmist2012


It might be speculation and conjecture on your part, but I think you are very close to the truth...

We may not have pulled the BFG out of the bag yet, but that is because we have not had to as of now. If the U.S. finds itself backed in a corner with no way out, I find it very plausible that we have something ready for that moment.

It will be a catch 22 though, since we will reveal a new type of weapon to save our ass, but also demonstrate to the world we have technology they don't...and have for some time.

Then the questions start...

Disclosure may begin with chaos...


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 02:44 PM by LSDeviant
Originally posted by SRTkid86
reply to post by The_Alarmist2012


i'll put the reason why we would mop the floor with russia very simply...


we spend many times more on our military (not including black budget operations) than EVERY OTHER country in the world does COMBINED.

that is why we are known as the most powerful country in the world. that is whay we can get away with meddling in everyone's affairs.

because other countries simply aren;t dumb enough to provoke us into a full, balls out war... there is no hope in going to war with the US.

now, go ahead and try to use Iraq and an example of us not totally domiating in everything we do, but know this. we have spent the entire war with the gloves on, give us 1 day to take them off, and this war would be over.


Carpet bombing the country is the only way that one could do what you suggest in one day, and that is not "winning the war". Don't be stupid. That's just killing everyone who was lucky enough to be born there. Just because we have the most well-funded military in history doesn't mean we can fight a war on a million fronts. We'd spread ourselves too thin. And even if we had the backing of every other nation on earth, Russia has a sufficient number of nukes to turn the land on this planet into a collection of glass craters. Like, ALL of the land.

That is why war with Russia is unwinnable. That is why war with ANYBODY who has nukes is unwinnable. Because eventually, they will be in a position so desperate they will use them.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 03:31 PM by SRTkid86
reply to post by -0mega-


nobody will be launching nukes, i don't see why this is so hard to understand, they understood this 40 and 50 yeras ago. why is everyone thinking things have changed so much now?

the fact is that if we went to war with russia, they would be as afraid of us nuking them, as we would be of them nuking us. they understand the implications of an attack like that, and besides that we have HAARP on our side.

we are the only country in the history of man kind to use nuclear weapons, and we have the fear, and "respect" of all other countries because of that, they know that when push comes to shove, we ultimately don't have a problem turning your little town into nothing more than a bunch of shadows burnt into the pavement.

money invested does indeed = supremacy, it would be the equivalent of the US air craft strking at the alien motherships in Independance day. when you have a HUGE technological lead on the opponent it's going to make the difference. and let's be honest hear, Russia is NOT what they are trying to talk them selves up to be. they have had virtually NO money for how long? and they are supposed to what? make military advancements with no money, and nothing to back themselves? let's face it, they are just now coming out of a very long hibernation and have QUITE a ways to go before they are ready to go toe to toe with the might of the US and it's even more mighty military. this is no fanciful thinking because im American, it's a fact.

i really am sorry that you live you life in fear that russia will nuke us, if they were going to do it, it would have been done A LONG TIME AGO, when there old rusty nuclear arsenal was not old outdated technology, that actually poses VERY little REAL threat to our country.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 03:36 PM by SRTkid86
reply to post by LSDeviant


im sorry, but if you carpet bomb the country you are currently fighting in, and you wipe everything out, technically you did win the war.

what im saying is that we have had the gloves on this entire time, and if we took them off we could make very short work of just about any enemy.

i understand we can't be spread too thin, and that we can't sustain another war, and im not advocating going to war with anyone else, i would hate that. but what im saying is that i wouldn't be too terribly scared if it did indeed happen. you can throw all the cannon fodder at us that you want, but in the end that is that they have, cannon fodder.


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 05:25 PM by -0mega-
Originally posted by SRTkid86
nobody will be launching nukes, i don't see why this is so hard to understand, they understood this 40 and 50 yeras ago. why is everyone thinking things have changed so much now?

It was a hypothetical situation.
If a nuke is launched, a tank will not stop it. Rock Paper Scissors. (Well, a bit more complicated but still.)

Originally posted by SRTkid86
money invested does indeed = supremacy, it would be the equivalent of the US air craft strking at the alien motherships in Independance day. when you have a HUGE technological lead on the opponent it's going to make the difference.


It != supremacy.
So in a hypothetical situation. If I had a billion dollars / euros whatever, and I invested it in war tech, I would instantly win a war?

Would I not need to:
o *Get something out of it!?* (Investment does NOT equal ''supremacy'' until it actually pays off)
o Have people to be well-trained, but most of all, well-WILLED to go to battle, and well-versed in the use of acquired equipment?

There are more than enough examples of investments into projects that fail because they reached a dead-end in the end.

But you are right: HUGE technology difference makes a difference. After all throwing sticks and stones at a tank won't stop it.

But Russia isn't fighting with sticks and stones, far from it.

Originally posted by SRTkid86
i really am sorry that you live you life in fear that russia will nuke us, if they were going to do it, it would have been done A LONG TIME AGO, when there old rusty nuclear arsenal was not old outdated technology, that actually poses VERY little REAL threat to our country.

Have you been to Russia, have you seen everything they do or do not have?
As far as I know you're just speculating on what you know, or think to know.
But of course you have your sources that spread information about their latest tech, precise *REAL* numbers, soldier skill and mental capacity in battle?


Investment is not everything SRTkid, no matter how much you believe it to be.

Tactics, Strategy, Morale, Numbers, Environment, many many things calculate into whether you win or lose a war.

It's not about who has the biggest tank, it's about who can utilize his resources the best, and with utilizing resources I mean more than ''spending money''.

[edit on 18/8/08 by -0mega-]


reply posted on 18-8-2008 @ 05:38 PM by PopeyeFAFL
reply to post by kacou


For your signature, it should in fact read:

Si jeunesse savait et si vieillesse pouvait?

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