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Support Job Creation: Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research and make the research and development tax credit permanent to help create high-paying, secure jobs. Obama will also make long-term investments in education, training, and workforce development so that Americans can leverage our strengths - our ingenuity and entrepreneurialism - to create new high-wage jobs and prosper in a world economy.
Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures: Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud.
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.
Originally posted by slackerwire
First let me get this out of the way: I am definitely not a supporter of McCain, or either of the 2 major political parties. I will not be voting in the upcoming election as I feel no need to vote for the lesser or 2 evil morons.
That being said, if Obama gets elected, the final nail in the coffin of the U.S. will have been hammered in place. He advocates socialism, and it's clear by his ideas he has never read the U.S. Constitution.
Income redistribution is the foundation of socialism.
Does he not realize that government theft going by the name of taxes takes away motivation from people? Why would anyone want to work hard if they know the government will take a large chunk of the money their hard work has earned?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that raising the minimum wage results in fewer jobs, as business owners are forced to cut back on staff so they don't have to raise prices. Minimum wage isn't meant to be a living wage, it is an ENTRY LEVEL wage.
This idiocy piggybacks on the Family and medical Leave Act. Obama wants to force business owners to pay people when they take FMLA leave. Having a baby is a personal decision, why should a business owner be forced to pay someone to not work because of a CHOICE said employee made? Business owners will be forced to hire someone to fill the vacated spot, yet again raising the cost of doing business.
Originally posted by Alethia
OK, it's clear you are against socialism. May I ask why? Can you point me to a country where socialism has made it to be a terrible place to live?
Actually, the definition of socialism is the belief or theory that a country's wealth (its land, mines, industries, railways etc) should belong to the people as a whole, not to private owners.
I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll repeat it here. Using France as an example, the tax rates are not such much higher (i.e. 5%) than those in the US. So I wouldn't agree that he's taking a "large chunk", tax rates in socialist countries are not that much more at all. French tax rates are:
www.frenchentree.com...
US tax rates are:
www.moneychimp.com...
So you can see, for the really rich, you're paying 5% more in France. The "middle class", who I'll define are people earning $100k plus, it's 2% more. Again, not a "large" chunk.
So all those in minimum wage jobs are people who are still living at home or something? All waitresses are 16 and still living with Mom & Dad? Only kids still living at home take minimum wage jobs? All the bus boys you see in restaurants aren't doing it to make a living, it's just pocket money? Come on, please be real, do you see the Mexicans who are predominantly on minimum wage getting promoted much?
Since oil prices have gone up, have you been seeing oil companies lay people off to keep the price at the pump the same, or have they just passed on the cost direct to us? Please provide an example where a company has laid off staff so it doesn't have to raise a products price.
We'll see if your singing the same tune when you have a kid.
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
i consider myself a Kerouatic-socialist-marxist (groucho) that is
Originally posted by grey580
Ahhhh.... I see someone has Baracknophobia.
You sound like my friend. He's hopping around madder than Rumplestiltskin with St. Vitus Dance in his pants.
No one is going to stand for socialism in this country. Especially not the corporations.
Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
what is wrong with socialism?
everyone is equal
hence social-ism
i consider myself a Kerouatic-socialist-marxist (groucho) that is
[edit on 19-6-2008 by MurderCityDevil]
Originally posted by Alethia
So have you ever lived in France? Have you ever even visited France, have you visited any socialist country?
What freedoms do the French lack, for example?
The US has sales tax too, maybe not as much as other countries, but it does have it.
People who made poor career choices huh. So what about people who, by birth, do not have the mental capacity to take on certain jobs, people with downs syndrome for example. They should be forced to live on a minimum wage and not enjoy the things that others have because they can't afford it. Through birth, they must accept being an underclass?
Great, so oil companies should be allowed to exploit people because there is no other choice, what a fine position to have. Again, care to provide an example of where a company has laid off staff to maintain a low product price.
What I would generally like to know is how you feel the US would change if, and it's still and IF, Obama did implement new taxes. What would it mean to you? How would your life change?
Yes. Been to France, Germany, Sweden, and Switzerland.
How about the freedom to criticize a certain group of people and not having to worry about being prosecuted for your speech?
You may want to learn the difference between sales tax and a VAT.
Life isn't fair sometimes, and it certainly isn't governments job to make it that way. Who said down syndrome people are relegated to only minimum wage only jobs?
The oil companies profit margin is quite low compared to other industries, exactly who are they exploiting?
OK, it's clear you are against socialism. May I ask why? Can you point me to a country where socialism has made it to be a terrible place to live?
Originally posted by Alethia
Great. And where they terrible places?
Funny you should mention that. Heard about this guy who was arrested for criticizing Cheney:
www.rockymountainnews.com...
Or this couple arrested for wearing t-shirts with Bush's name crossed out
www.blogd.com...
Care to explain to me the difference?
No, I'm fully aware of the difference. The point being made is that you're saying socialist countries pay a lot more tax, when the stats don't bear that out.
Come on now, don't twist words when you don't like the way the debate is going. Did I say all people with downs syndrome? No. But as an example, there are people with downs syndrome who, because of the way society works, will only be given minimum wage jobs, either because society doesn't deem them to be capable of more, or because through birth they can't do more, even though it's not their fault they are not capable of more.
Now, if you are advocating an underclass that's fine, it's just nice to know and I'm happy to not to have to know or work with you.
Everyone. Please point me in the direction of someone who is happy with the price of gas right now, who feels it isn't artificially high and is not adversely affecting them (other than Bush & Cheney of course, they're loving every minute of it).
And I again, I please ask you to clarify your statement that peoples jobs are lost with the rise in taxes due to companies not passing on that tax cost to the consumer. Please provide an example of where this has happened.
Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by Alethia
OK, it's clear you are against socialism. May I ask why? Can you point me to a country where socialism has made it to be a terrible place to live?
That's not too hard to do. Let's try Soviet Russia, Mao's China, North Korea, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Albania, Angola .... etc. etc.
All deplorable horrific countries, where waiting in line for your toilet paper was the norm. Socialist command and control economies always produce shortages, higher costs and lack of consumer choice. All you are doing is replacing one monopoly (corporate America) for an even bigger one (federal government).
That's why you can't find an oral surgeon in the UK unless you pay out of pocket.
Yet for some reason people keep wanting to repeat this mistake over and over again.