posted on Oct, 18 2008 @ 12:34 AM
appreciate you're responding to several members simultaneously, so would you put this post / question on the list please, for when you have time to
question: do you believe or suspect that we are more than we manifest in this dimension/lifetime ?
do you believe or suspect that whilst we may appear and 'feel' ourselves to be mere 'humans' during this lifetime here on Earth
that we may in fact be spirits (of greater or lesser elevation) within flesh and blood bodies --- and with those bodies themselves being the result
of genetic inheritance (containing elements of 'personality', 'character') and conditioning?
I'll put it another way:
Mary and John produce a child, Bill.
Bill inherits flawed impulse control
Bill inherits a tendency to violence
Bill, like his forebears, is only of average intelligence
Bill is of misogynistic bent, like his father, brothers, grandfathers, grandMOTHERS and uncles, etc. Bill believes women are naturally subservient to
males. This belief is rampant within his immediate family. His mother is a doormat, for example.
Bill believes (except he doesn't actually think about or analyse this) that life consists of eating, drinking, fornicating, working, fighting.
Bill doesn't attend church and has no interest in matters theological
Bill lives, fights, breeds, works, drinks alcohol, is mean with money, doesn't like others in the main. He dies.
Ok. We've seen Bill to be a fairly basic example of 'human'
Bill dies .. crushed under a tractor and cursing God. He's buried amongst his mostly basic-type forebears
But something unexpected occurs. Two nights after Bill's funeral, his aged spouse is woken in the night by the sound of her name being called. She
sees Bill at the foot of her bed. He is smiling at her .. a gentle, affecionate smile she hasn't seen since the very early days of their courtship
fifty years before.
Bill tells his spouse he's come to say goodbye. He tells her he's sorry for the way he behaved. Tells her not to be afraid -- that death and what
follows is more beautiful than anything she could believe .. than he would ever have believed in life. Then he simply vanishes
Bill was never remotely interested in politics or 'the schemes of men and bastards' when he was alive. All Bill knew when he was alive was work,
drink and bitterness and anger. Bill had never been to a political rally. He was proud, during his lifetime, to say that he'd never read a book
since he left school at twelve years of age. Bill had never fought the elite. Bill ignored the elite. Bill would never have fought to free the
oppressed or disadvantaged - he believed in 'doing for yourself'.
Yet Bill appeared to his spouse after his death and to her, he was a changed man .. a better man. She didn't imagine Bill's post-death appearance
.. it happened. She saw him. He was there before her.
But Bill had changed after death. Death and what followed it, had changed Bill, clearly .. and for the better.
It's been claimed that spirits undertake to enter flesh and blood bodies (human bodies).
It's been claimed also that spirits are given considerable say in which bodies they will inhabit. It's claimed they know beforehand the limitations
inherent to those bodies .. they know the body will inherit certain physical and other characteristics ('good' and 'bad') bestowed it by the
body's physical parents and ancestors.
It's also been claimed that the spirit is then forced to 'work with' the body it inhabits during the human lifetime.
Clearly, there are 'degrees of difficulty' posed, depending on what that vehicle (human body) has inherited
This is the challenge before the spirit.
After death, the spirit is released from its flesh and blood vehicle
It's claimed some spirits inhabit two or more human bodies simultaneously
Spirits' learn from their experiences whilst inhabiting human (or non-human) bodies .. on this material plane (Earth) and other, sometimes
non-material planes ... it's said.
Is this material world in itself of importance, seen from the above perspective ?
Which is more enduring .. spirit or matter ?
A lifetime spent in misery, suffering and oppression seems endless.
Lacking awareness of their spiritual component (and of its indestrucability) humans can be forgiven for doubting, anger, war, anarchy, lack of
There's only so much the spirit can do (whilst trapped in its temporary flesh and blood body) to calm its human self.
But this material world is a temporary cage. We leave it. And we leave material, worldly concerns behind when we lift out of these
flesh and blood clothes.
Some are less prepared to leave the world behind and cling to it for a while, 'haunt' it and sometime 'haunt' those who made the human existence
such a misery or who inflicted injustice. Some hauntings are similar to 'echoes' .. an energetic imprint which in time fades away.
As to the 'elite' -- what is the 'elite', other than a group of people who possess great power, money and influence ?
It's said that the Queen, Cheyney, Bush, the Rothschilds, Obama, McCain, the Clintons, the European royalty, etc. ---- ARE the elite by virtue of
shared common heritage. And sure, genealogists are able to produce massively complicated charts to show this is true.
What is NOT stated in dicussion of 'elite bloodlines' is that we are ALL related, on average, to every 33rd person on the globe. Yet
it's as true as the 'elite bloodline' claims.
Puts the 'elite bloodlines' issue in perspective, doesn't it ?
In any event, the spirit which temporarily inhabits Cheyney during this his earthly life --- may, during its next incarnation, inhabit the body of a
disabled Bangladeshi child .. a girl.
The spirit which is currently enclothed in the regal gowns of the current Queen of England may .. in its next earthly incarnation ... inhabit the body
of a Mexican bantam-weight prize fighter who dies in his 20s of an unexplained heart attack.
So it's not the spirits of the 'ruling elite' which continue, generation after generation. It's the MONEY, the POWER, the INFLUENCE that is
When Cheyney dies, his body rots. The spirit which has inhabited his body/vehicle is required to return to Source. And I think we can be reasonably
confident that when the spirit has been FREED of the influence of it's former body's genetic inheritance and FREED from its material
lifetime/condition .. then that spirit will exclaim, regretfully .. ' Damn ! It's true what they say .. absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY !
And I was sucked in ! I need to reincarnate as SOON as POSSIBLE in order to attempt to undo some of the poison, suffering and foulness for which I
was responsible during the time I lived on earth as Cheyney. Give me a body .. quickly .. someone with the potential for much good .. a missionary, a
surgeon, a cleric, a nurse .. a fearless journalist. Quickly .. I have to go make amends ! '
Bush, Cheyney, McCain, Her Majesty, Murdoch, Clinton, Bush .. sure, a genealogist may be able to link them on a sterile genealogical chart. But
realistically, they're NO more 'family' than are we, here in this forum. And no LESS connected, either.
We are ALL related to every 33rd person on earth. Worth remembering.
And spiritually it's the same. We are ONE.
This is 'only' a material plane .. a school .. a testing ground where spirits come to learn and grow.
We are much MORE than our brief human lifetimes. When we return to source, we are ONE. I am you and you are me and we are all of us.
Don't you agree, Brandon ?
[edit on 18-10-2008 by Dock6]