Originally posted by justpassingthrough
Weren't the Eleusinian Mysteries based on cult stuff, with the ideas of different gods and goddesses? So, are you saying that Freemasonry is
similarly based upon cult ideas?
I dunno, depnds on what you mean by "cult stuff".
The Mysteries presented a spiritual view of philosophy. This is why they attracted the philosophers.
The non-initiates, who were the regular folks in Greece, believed in the literal existence of various gods and goddesses. The mysteries taught that
the gods were mythological allegories, and the myths were dramatized in the ceremonies for the purpose of pointing out their inner meanings.
Some initiates, like Socrates, were persecuted for being a little too open about the theology involved. Socrates himself was executed for
"perpetuating atheism" because he publicly stated that the gods were allegorical figures.
Anything I've ever read or heard by the freemasons seems to allude that they are a Christian organization, or that being the main belief.
Freemasonry does not claim to be a Christian organization. Freemasonry is entirely non-sectarian.
Even doing good deeds is selfish based if you are doing them to hope to get to heaven one day.
Agreed. That was not a doctrine of the Mysteries. Freemasonry has a Kantian ethic, i.e., that one should do good for it's own sake, not because one
expects rewards for it.
I haven't seen one thing yet that shows the masons are out there to help humanity.
Again, Freemasonry continues the traditions of the Mysteries. That is, it is focused on the individual, and not necessarily "society" as a whole.
The only way to improve humanity, we contend, is to improve the individuals that compose humanity. This is our profession.
I've seen them do actions that appear to help humanity, but it always seems to come back to by doing good work it will benefit them
How does it seem that good works benefit the Freemason? I mean, other than the obvious (obviously, anyone trying to goo will receive certain benefits,
such as self-improvement, strengthening of personal character, etc.).
So, you showed your point of the Eleusinian mysteries, but that point doesn't really show anything except that a cult years ago practiced
secrecy too. At least, that's what I'm getting from this. Please add because there's no way this is what you meant, but then again if you did, no
problem, end of discussion I would think.
Well, that "cult years ago" produced the greatest and most eloquent philosophers, poets, and artists that have ever walked the face of the earth.
I'd say the tide was in their favor.