What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?

Originally posted by niteboy82
My government has provided its citizens with fear.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Kinda hard to have when you have government officials lurking around every media corner telling us to be afraid, be very afraid, of terror waiting to pounce upon us from ever angle at a moments notice.

Suitcase nukes, airplane terror, and nuclear kittens. What a world we live in, no?

My government provided a terror threat color scale to let us know what color to match our fear with.

That fear has done more to destroy this country and take away our rights than we ever needed. As far as no one being able to answer that question on c2c, well, how can you necessarily say people can even remember those freedoms anymore that we could be missing? Media controls all (though that is slipping from their grasp thankfully.)

If you think we live in the same country we did 10-12 years ago, then I would like to know what dimension that is, and how exactly I can get there.

Well they can't sell sex like the commercials, so they sell terror. Can't disagree with this post. Remember, democrat or republican or any other, they are on the path to power and both want to have it. I fail to see the difference in either. There are no good paths remaining.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
hmmm lets see We can't take pictures at bus stops or airports without drawing the attention or the police or DHS.

We have lost the protection from unwarranted search and seizure. It's ok for the government to snoop it's citizens, but not ok for us citizens to see what the government is doing.

You as a citizen can be labeled a enemy combatant by the president and arrested without due process and detained indefinitely without a trial and/or without representation.

The worst is that we are no longer given the Right to the truth in the MSM, we are only given the latest government approved message.

As for the rash of taser related deaths, we are no long given the right to due process, citizens are being executed on the spot for any crime.

Our rights for filing bankruptcy have been greatly curtailed.

Our rights for owning property have also been curtailed, if wal-mart or jiffy lube wants your home, they will get it.

If you want to take a picture at an airport, just put two people in it you know. Easy solution there. If your wandering around all sneaky and taking pics, well I would be worried too.

I can't say I disagree with the snooping part.


I think it is a combination of so called journalists not wanting to lose "access" and keeping the ad revenue flowing in, that leads to the "News"

As far as the bankruptcy laws, they reflect not only the power of the banks, but the gross incompetence of the borrower. What ever happened to "the borrower is slave to the lender".

As far as the Wal-Mart thing, well we have that problem to where I live, but it is the county/state gov't who is actually seizing property, but we are working on it. They actually build with no permits in my area, just come in and start.

edited, because part of post was missing

[edit on 11-5-2008 by Laozi]

Originally posted by plug_pray
What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?

Taking home 100% of my earnings.

edit: By "past" I am assuming you mean the citizenry in general instead of myself as an individual.

[edit on 11-5-2008 by wutone]

I use to have faith that we were the greatest most honest nation on earth and coming to find the Fasces on our House of Representatives and no state ratified the 16th ammendment and the news media tells lies , I thought this stuff never went on, but I can tell you they go on all the time now.

Oh gee! Where to start? I'm sure I'll remember more and more after I hit the 'post reply' button; but, here's a few off the top of my head.

I cannot visit the volcano in Mexico without first getting a passport.

I cannot get any decent meat from the grocery store because of the mid 80's government regulation changes to trim the fat. I can't determine if my milk is adulterated because they outlawed the milk producers labeling of a particular harmful additive.

I can't talk about some of the Bush past personal history because Bush made an executive order that we are not allowed to discuss, post, research etc. his private past. I'm not sure if that includes his wife though!

I cannot FREELY discuss heretofore regular subjects with friends and family without drawing the ire and possible persecution from all these government spies. Certain words 'trigger' a wiretap on your Internet connection.

I cannot go to the bathroom without remembering that Uncle Sam GAVE ALL the local police (etc.) departments the (previously just Feds used it) satellite hookup where they can see "every hair on your head" and no telling where all else. Considering a Houston policeman gave my sister a ticket for refusing a 'date' with him ... and I could write an entire book of dirty cop and sheriff department stories ... you know darn well what a few of our law enforcement officers are doing with that technology now.

I can't tell you what the FBI and BTAF did to the man across the street, just two weeks or months or so before the Waco incident.

I can no longer TRUST anybody or anything! Thank you Uncle Sam!

Well, I don't think I need to re-hash a list of what other posters have already provided. But I do want to add this potent example, of a man who no longer enjoys the "freedom" of sleeping peacefully in his own bed after being shot five times...


An Innocent Victim of No-knock Warrants and the War on Drugs

But of course there are those who will argue that this is yet another "isolated incident."

I also don't think I need to re-hash a list of what other posters have already said, as this article sums it up perfectly.

Man spends 18 hours in police cell and has his DNA taken for 'dropping an apple core', even though the police had no proof it was the man in question.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Five uniformed officers just to arrest one man with a heart condition for supposedly dropping an apple core. Nodoubt you fascist government sympathisers probably believe this type of behaviour is acceptable.



[edit on 11-5-2008 by kindred]

this one hit home for me:

6)stopped from protesting.

my government took away my constitution. the one single thing i looked forward to regaining when i had lost it the first time in the USN.

Okay, here's my big one.

I no longer have the right to tell the police that I am not afraid. This is what happened when I did tell them that...


www.abovepolitics.com...

Maybe the lesson in all this @#%& is that we have to learn how to hide.

Remember the Catacombs!!

I can still walk into starbucks with my wife, light off a big stanky fart and walk out and noone can say a damn thing about it. I even did it with an entire swat team in there once. Then I go home and drink my coffee at home black and stiff. My wife is one of those that doesn't think any of her rights are being infringed upon and really, compared to some of the countries I have operated in with the US military, we still have some rights. Worst part is that the police and the courts are corrupt. That pretty much takes away our rights and hopes.

I was unable to travel without surrendering my belongings to a to stranger to make sure I wasn't a terrorist

I couldn't go to a library and freely browse and learn without another stranger systematically cataloging my choices and storing them away for future analysis

I was unable to find out why a multi-billionaire (and others) was able to profit grotesquely from the destruction of a national landmark

I was prevented from discovering why commercially active energy conglomerates were invited to develop and execute policy with the help of our vice president - despite laws preventing such actions

Today, I failed to receive an education which included a clear and accurate representation of my civil rights and civic duties

I was prevented from receiving the protection of my government from profiteering chemical and financial industrial enterprise....


The real problem with that question is it's a trap by unimaginative people who think themselves clever for the way it's couched...., what will follow this 'bait' question is 'prove it!' This is a BS question and I suspect there are those in the business of disseminating it that know it.

reply to post by Ragnarok691

I can still walk into starbucks with my wife, light off a big stanky fart and walk out and noone can say a damn thing about it.

Wrong. If you let it be known that you did it intentionally, you can be convicted of any number of crimes such as disorderly conduct, under public nuisance laws.

I think the real question that should be asked here is...


What freedom do you have that can not be infringed or taken away arbitrarily?

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
They took away my pride in my country.

[edit on 10-5-2008 by CaptGizmo]

I used to be proud of that flag. The Constitution, our productive country that lead the world. I felt a great love for a land that was, and is no longer.

Now I am embarrassed and ashamed. They took away the very soul of this great land. I can't say exactly how, lies and greed and misdeeds. They curse is on them and all of theirs for several generations,just look at the Kennedys. It will come to these and all of their offspring too. The Divine Law will not be denied its due.

Still how do we get back to that place where we were proud and had great respect for the land we live in?

I wish I had the answers...

Originally posted by Maya432
1) stopped me from watching certain sensitive videos online(censorship)
2)stopped me from posting certain sensitive videos online.
3)stopped me from receiving factual news (MSM)
4)stopped me from doing a music tour this summer because of gas prices.
5)stopped me from smoking a ciggarette outside at a bus stop.(not in the bus stop).
6)stopped from protesting.
7)forced to pay illigal "income tax"
8)forced to give the kids mercury filled inoculations.
9)forced to watch the world at war
10)made me very scared of police..when they should be our friends.

I`ll post more as I think of them

Response to 1 and 2... out of all the crap on the internet about the only thing you can't watch or distribute is child pornography . . . so what exactly did they stop you from watching???

Note: The government doesn't set gas prices so they didn't stop you from going on tour.

I now have *NO* protections that my land will not be seized and given to a private company or individual. Eminent domain now allows for an individual's land to be seized and given to ANOTHER PERSON/COMPANY, not just for government use.

If the government decides I am a "terrorist", even though a U.S. Citizen born in this country, I am not "entitled" to a right to appear before a judge, or a right to a jury trial. Habeus Corpus has been thrown out the window.

I observe that timely-truth-full videos disappear off YouTube and Google constantly.

Their trick to keep people away from whistleblowing videos (generally an hour or longer) is to keep changing the file-location name of videos and omit them from search functions and to require cutting up of a lengthy discourse into 10-minute segments, making it awkward to view.

Ever wonder what happened to the Philadelphia Experiment and Preston Nichols' video detailing his experiences in it?

JFK-Bush-Connection video? Gone. Stargates? Gone. Crop Circle Ship? Gone. Aaron Russo's movie, From Freedom to Fascism, gone.

So the powers that be are alive and well and deleting or blocking whatever they can get their hands on in the internet that gets in their way, is what appears to be happening.

reply to post by spaznational


I think the point is that some of these may be very subtle civil liberties being eroded, but who's to say when or if it will stop. You know the old saying
"give them an inch, they'll take a mile". If you look at how the invasion of privacy has been trampled on, then that is a good example. There are many that will say"why should you care if you are doing nothing wrong". Then they should watch the movie "Minority Report" because thats where we are headed.

Everything....

I am a human born free to do as i please. There should be nothing I am not 'allowed' to do. Murder, drugs, whatever. The choice is free will, government restricts that whether for intended good or bad.

We act as if governments were created before people, and that the governments wishes supersede the will of the people. F that.