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What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?

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posted on May, 11 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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I can no longer:

Have ONE beer and drive (none, not even tic-tacs) not that I give a rats ass anyway.

Take a leak in the forest - not that I give a rats ass anyway

Make a campfire in the wild - Not that I give a rats ass anyway

Carry a loaded gun on me - not that I give a rats ass anyway

hunt, fish or forage above 2100 feet above sea level - not that I give a rats ass anyway

burn my garden leaves and grass and crap - not that I give a rats ass anyway

hunt whatever I feel like whenever I feel like it and wherever I feel like it and for no money and on public land (nor my own) - not that I give a rats ass anyway

fish whatever fish I want to whenever I want to and wherever I want to, on my own land or public land, with or without paying for it - not that I give a rats ass anyway

protect my life with firearms - not that I give a rats ass anyway

drive an unregistered car or one with borrowed plates, on public roads OR EVEN MY OWN ROADS... - not that I give a rats ass anyway

take an airplane ride without paying the U.N. carbon tax - not that I am ever going on a plane again with all my gun carrying habits...

drink in public - not that I give a rats ass anyway

OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT WITHOUT A PASSPORT - I had to buy a passport to get all my 50 credit cards hehehe..... JUMPER..!!


That's all I can think of right now.




posted on May, 11 2008 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by plug_pray
[What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?]

They have stopped me from keeping and bearing arms.

They have stopped me from going for a drive in my car without wearing a seatbelt.

They have stopped me from smoking a cigarette while walking through the park, or by the lake, which both places are outside, wide open spaces very well ventilated.

They have stopped me from facing my accuser in court.

They have stopped me from recieving my due process.

They have stopped me from speaking freely.

They have stopped me from raising MY children the way that i see fit.

They have stopped me from sitting at the lake until the sun comes up.

They have stopped me from late night fishing at the lake.

They have stopped me from going into the store picking up my sinus medication right off the shelf and purchasing it.

They have stopped me from buying a car on sunday.

They have stopped me from sitting on MY porch with a group of friends or nieghbors.

They have stopped me from being able to ask and recieve an answer as to why the police are stopping me and sons from walking home to search them.

This list could go on and on.I'm sure that i can think of some more, but i have to go, be back later if i think of more.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Apparently I no longer have the right to assemble peaceably on public grounds without first having to get a permit to do so.

Getting a permit to practice your right to assemble peaceably is evidence of the lack of care for our rights we have. By getting a permit you are allowing the powers that be to control where, when and how long you can practice your rights. Also by signing a permit you are inadvertently taking responsibility for every person at that assemblies actions. You will be labled the leader of this group whether you wish to be or not.

Please for the sake of our rights in this country don't ever get a permit to practice your rights!!! You already have a permit you don't need another.


Also according to an ALIPAC member I was arguing with about this permit nonsense, in North Carolina (I believe) you have to pay police officers to be present at a protest, rally, assembly, and the like according to NC law. I really hope that people aren't seriously paying and getting permits to practice our rights.....


And last but not least, view these 2 videos.

Note: I am not involved in any way with the people who are the subject of this video or the radio station.

youtube.com...

youtube.com...

If what is being said is true then these people are evidence of the erosion of our rights in this country.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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I really feel depressed after reading this thread!

I would like to go out and sit in my parked car in my driveway and have a couple of beers and listen to the radio. So the kids don't see me depressed and drinking.

But I would be breaking the law, and could be arrested for drunk behind the wheel!



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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i thought it was a good questions and looking at all of the replies so do my fellow ATS'ers, and no i hope i dont get cancer any time soon! thanks but no thanks



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
That would be a good question to ask to the Branch Davidians, except they're all dead now.

Would be a good thing to ask Randy Weaver and his family, too, or at least the family members that are still alive.

Don't forget former employees of the WTC, many of whom are also now dead.

We did not used to have to pay an income tax.

We used to have better protection from searches, seizures, wiretapping, deportation, etc., until the PATRIOT Act.

Before the Selective Services Act, you had a right to decide whether or not you wanted to fight in one of the feds' wars, no matter what. Now they can draft you whenever they see fit, if you fit the criteria.

It would also be a good question to ask pot smokers, and I'm pretty sure 18 (and even lower) used to be the legal drinking age for alcohol.

We could go into all kinds of things like corporations being given the same rights (and more) as real US citizens, which opens up a whole Pandora's Box of abuse potential on all different levels.

We used to have an unrestricted right to bear arms, now there are limitations on things like assault rifles if I'm not mistaken, not to mention all the legal paperwork, and neglecting that (ie "illegal" possession of a firearm) is a mandatory 5 years in prison here in Virginia, not sure if it is a federal law.

I'm sure I could go on if I were to sit here long enough. I'm sure you could try to justify various laws that have limited our freedoms, too, but it doesn't matter. There are always justifications for whatever they do, no matter if it's really right or wrong. It's still freedom lost. That's what you asked.


David Koresh was insane (leader of Branch Davidians), the reasons they gave to raid the place was unjustified, but the guy was insane; he changed his name, claimed to be God, manipulated people, then he burned the place down and executed followers during the raid. At the time the weapons he had were illegal under the Clinton administration, currently assault rifles and semi-automatic weapon's aren't banned because Bush didn't redeem the law. I find gun registration to be necessary, not many people who own guns really have a problem with it. The draft has existed since the U.S. revolution...except only states could draft since we were a confederacy and didn't have a Federal government until the Constitution...we had a national draft in the Civil War though. Let's see...uhm radical Muslims who were pissed about us being on their land flew planes into the WTC, don't find how that's relevant; fishing and hunting licenses are state, not federal...

So when it comes to freedoms that are restricted...I can't think of any, freedoms infringed upon would be the Patriot Act...but it really doesn't effect most, it's more the prospect of it's usage that bothers me. If anything America has more freedom than the past; all genders and races can vote, all have equal rights, no segregation, I could go on and on about rights we've gained since the revolution. We have the potential to lose rights, but as of right now we haven't lost anything but our dignity and money.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 12:12 AM
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This is all from the same quote, I hope this doesn't fall under "obsessive" quoting because I've been messaged about that before...sorry if it does, but it's all from one quote...I'm just breaking it down



I can no longer:

Have ONE beer and drive (none, not even tic-tacs) not that I give a rats ass anyway.


Of course you can, you'll just probably kill someone and be charged for murder...if they find alcohol in your system. Quite frankly I'd rather be pulled over and get a ticket than be charged with murder.


Take a leak in the forest - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes, you can, it just has to be on your property and can't be on public property


Make a campfire in the wild - Not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, unless the state declares a drought...frankly I'd rather the state keep some idiot from burning down thousands of acres of forest and costing home owners and tax payers millions of dollars to put it out.


Carry a loaded gun on me - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes, you can, get a license


hunt, fish or forage above 2100 feet above sea level - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Never heard this one


burn my garden leaves and grass and crap - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, unless your local government prohibits it, which isn't bound by the constitution; this pretty much falls under the camp fire quote.


hunt whatever I feel like whenever I feel like it and wherever I feel like it and for no money and on public land (nor my own) - not that I give a rats ass anyway

fish whatever fish I want to whenever I want to and wherever I want to, on my own land or public land, with or without paying for it - not that I give a rats ass anyway


You can fish anywhere you want as long as the bank you're fishing from isn't owned by a private residence that you don't have permission from...I think that's called property rights...you can fish on the water because no one owns the water (on fluid water, like a river; ponds and lakes are different)...that's why they have casinos on rivers. You can hunt anywhere you want as long as you have permission and you can hunt on public land...sure you have to have a license but again that's state law, and it's not bound by the constitution.


protect my life with firearms - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, you hear a one out of a million case on the news, I believe most state laws say you can't shoot to kill him/her if he was running away...that's not exactly protecting your life so much as avenging


drive an unregistered car or one with borrowed plates, on public roads OR EVEN MY OWN ROADS... - not that I give a rats ass anyway


That's not true per se, and that's a state law not federal


take an airplane ride without paying the U.N. carbon tax - not that I am ever going on a plane again with all my gun carrying habits...


You can't pump gas without paying a Federal tax either.


drink in public - not that I give a rats ass anyway


That's a local law, you can "brown bag" in many areas.


OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT WITHOUT A PASSPORT - I had to buy a passport to get all my 50 credit cards hehehe..... JUMPER..!!


That's not true and is more than likely the bank's decision (which is not government run)

[edit on 12-5-2008 by yellowcard]

[edit on 12-5-2008 by yellowcard]



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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quite a few things actually which i prefer not to name for my own safety from flaming and the like, also there are still many things which im not supposed to do but that wont stop me.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:15 AM
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You keep saying that these are state/ local laws so they don't count, because they're not backed up by the constitution. First off the thread asks what rights the goverment has taken away from us, it doesn't ask what rights the "Federal" goverment has taken away from us, goverment is goverment. Try telling local law enforcment that you don't have to obey thier laws because they're unconstitutional. You won't get very far unless you have tons of money for a superb constitutional attorney, which probably still won't help, because you're still gonna get arrested, tried, and most likely convicted.

You say that assualt rifles are no longer banned, try tellin a chicago cop that one see where it's gonna get you. You can't have a rifle with a pistol grip here because it's considered an assualt weapon, no handguns either. All you can have is a shotgun and that has to have a trigger lock on it. So if you wake up in the middle of the night to a home invasion, what you tell the guy " oh hold on a minute, let me get my shotgun out of the case and take the trigger lock off and load it" yeah right!!!!!

Being able to protect ourselves, that's a laugh, you can only use the same force that they use against you. so a 6'3" 220 lb man goes after a 5'9" 160 lb woman with a knife, sure she can grab a knife, but who do YOU think is going to win?

Stop playin word games with that federal vs state/local law crap! People have to obey the laws where they live, do you honestly believe that the fed gov is going to walk up and say you can't arrest them for that it's unconstitutional? If you don't have to obey local laws and only have to obey federal laws, then tell me where you live cause i wanna move there.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by yellowcard



Carry a loaded gun on me - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes, you can, get a license



A license is basically paying the government to be allowed to do something. Why should I have to pay for something that is in the Bill of Rights?



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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A great example would be:

not being able to explore my consciousness; or the various levels of perception which are disallowed by the current drug-war as well as the culture/society we live in due to the propaganda.

hell even talking about it on here is taboo..

and before you go attacking me maybe check out some information concerning Ibogaine and the therapeutic/medicinal uses of other certain flora/fauna collected from distant jungles and even your backyard... Plants and fungus which are curing our actual drug problems.

EDIT:

That and I cannot do anything which requires me identifying myself or age without a plastic card to prove I am not a liar about who I am or my age, due to a whole mess of other laws "protecting" me from the experiences I wish to have. Which I agree with because people do lie.. but it sure would be great if it wasn't necessary and I imagine once upon a time it wasn't .. lol

[edit on 5/12/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:35 AM
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The thing that bothers me is not just what the government is restricting.

What bothers me the most is that the government is eliminating restrictions on itself. The government is supposed to be limited but it looks like the size of the government is limitless and the power is increasing year after year.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:46 AM
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Indeed.




posted on May, 12 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by mattguy404

[In Australia you basically can't even own a gun, if we have a government we don't like, we usually vote them out. That's what democracy is for, right? ]
Not tryin to be rude, but we're not talking about Australia, we're talking about America. America has a constitution that gives us the right to keep and bear arms as our founding fathers were very smart men and wanted to make sure that we kept our rights.

Yeah we try to vote em out, but it doesn't work heck we can't even vote em in ! Our president isn't voted in by the people, he's voted in by delegates. It is an old and out of date procedure that they refuse to change, because they don't want the people to vote for the president that the people actually want.

Maybe in Australia that's what a democracy is for, 51% outwieghs 49%. However America is supposed to be a REPUBLIC 2/3rds outwieghs 1/3rd, hence ; I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..........

Our politicians today seem to have forgetten that this country is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy !



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 02:00 AM
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Thank You for that !!! That is what so many people don't understand. What the goverment doesn't want us to remember, and what they make sure that our children are no longer taught in school. Wish i could give you more than 1 star.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 02:10 AM
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One upcomming example will be that I will not be allowed to enter any federal building (which I assume includes federal court,) open a bank account, or travel by air without official identification which meets the requirements set forth in the Real ID Act.

Another would be that, in the event that for some reason I was suspected of terrorist activity (which I would never engage in, as I feel guilt even when killing insects and as I am non-violent, however the definition of terrorist activity has been considerably broadened,) I could potentially be denied the right to due process and the opportunity to prove my innocence in a standard court of law or before a jury of my peers.

A third would be the sense of privacy (whether justified or not) I used to have before learning of agreements between certain ISPs and certain government agencies pertaining to the sharing of internet traffic, which I now no longer enjoy.

Lastly, I no longer feel particularly inclined to fly when traveling, as the risk of random searches intimidates me due to having social anxiety disorder. Being pulled aside and searched in front of everyone is emotionally devastating to me, if only temporarily. (People can see this as pathetic or as a weakness if they like. That is their right. It is, nonetheless, the truth.)

Granted, only one of these is a constitutional right (arguably,) however the question did not pertain specifically to constitutional rights, nor to the justification - or lack thereof - of these measures. The question was, "What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?"

Those are the only things I can think of at the moment.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 02:25 AM
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A friend of mine is has been followed for three years by the feds everywhere he goes because he once worked at a well known leftist bookstore in L.A. and had the bad luck o have his car repaired at a garage owned by a "person of interest" to homeland security....

Here's how it went down....he took his car to this person's garage cause it was close to home and the service was decent...the feds raid the garage and sieze all the garage owners client records - they throw out a wide net to see what floats....my friends name comes up - he lives alone, has long hair, is mixed race ( Asian/Native american) and OHMYGOD worked at a popular Santa Monica bookstore for several years....mind you my friend has never been to a demonstration and has the political consciousness of a puppy dog...but never the less the fed decides that THIS boy needs watching....at first he thought he was going crazy - he kept seeing the same vehicles with the same people at his favorite haunts, on campus and at his favorite restaurant....he's not sure but when his neighbors and his friends at church begin to notice that he always has an "escort", he starts to really pay attention....

So he goes to the police first to ask if they know why he's being followed...he figures maybe its a case fo mistaken identity and he needs to clear it up....the police have nothing to tell him, he's not wanted for anything, has no tickets, is a law abiding citizen....

He comes home to find two " workmen" working on the wires that connect to his house...he asks them what they are doing - they tell him they are working on the cable connection to HIS house....he doesn't have cable and never did...

He goes back to the police - he's pissed off now....one of the cops takes pity on him and tells him there is some kind of fed investigation going on but they are not at liberty to say much about it and don't know which agency is involved...finally a cop who was a member of his church told him about the fed raid on the local garage...

He comes to visit me - after he leaves, my roommate and I start receiving creepy calls from someone identifying themselves as National Intelligence Dept... there is no such animal - I researched it...for two weeks we have round the clock - brazen surveillance of the house - camped out in shifts directly across the street...finally I get fed up and walk over and say hello and offer coffee - they disappear the next day..I have no f-n time for these morons....

My friend is still followed - going on three years now....your tax dollars at work and your privacy IN THE TOILET - so its not something thats GOING to happen - ITS HAPPENING NOW to your neighbors and YOU might be next so wake up and stop making excuses for these fascists....
TA
realshanti



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
[They took away my pride in my country.]

You hit the nail right on the head with that one !!! I think that that may be the worst thing that they have done to many !!! I used to be so damn PROUD to be an American. They have taken that away from me with all thier lies and corruption. They carry out unspeakable atrocities on thier own people, not to mention people around the world. And they don't do it in thier name they do it in ours. How can we be proud to be americans, be patriotic to a country that no longer exsists? They have taken my country away from me !!!



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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great replies from everyone, seems like the deeper we go into this subject the more my eyes open to how much our freedom is shrinking.



posted on May, 12 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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I'm quoting you back you BASTARD.

I AM NOT AN AMERICAN but I guess you are just too DAMNED STUPID to read that out of my post or profile information on the left here. You like to hear yourself speak but there doesn't have to be any TRUTH to what you say whatsoever.

And about David Koresh. everything you said were LIES which I certainly have never heard. The government agents torched the place and shot everyone. And when was he proven crazy? When did he claim to be God? NEVER! LIAR! FILTH!



Originally posted by yellowcard
This is all from the same quote, I hope this doesn't fall under "obsessive" quoting because I've been messaged about that before...sorry if it does, but it's all from one quote...I'm just breaking it down



I can no longer:

Have ONE beer and drive (none, not even tic-tacs) not that I give a rats ass anyway.


Of course you can, you'll just probably kill someone and be charged for murder...if they find alcohol in your system. Quite frankly I'd rather be pulled over and get a ticket than be charged with murder.


Take a leak in the forest - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes, you can, it just has to be on your property and can't be on public property


Make a campfire in the wild - Not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, unless the state declares a drought...frankly I'd rather the state keep some idiot from burning down thousands of acres of forest and costing home owners and tax payers millions of dollars to put it out.


Carry a loaded gun on me - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes, you can, get a license


hunt, fish or forage above 2100 feet above sea level - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Never heard this one


burn my garden leaves and grass and crap - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, unless your local government prohibits it, which isn't bound by the constitution; this pretty much falls under the camp fire quote.


hunt whatever I feel like whenever I feel like it and wherever I feel like it and for no money and on public land (nor my own) - not that I give a rats ass anyway

fish whatever fish I want to whenever I want to and wherever I want to, on my own land or public land, with or without paying for it - not that I give a rats ass anyway


You can fish anywhere you want as long as the bank you're fishing from isn't owned by a private residence that you don't have permission from...I think that's called property rights...you can fish on the water because no one owns the water (on fluid water, like a river; ponds and lakes are different)...that's why they have casinos on rivers. You can hunt anywhere you want as long as you have permission and you can hunt on public land...sure you have to have a license but again that's state law, and it's not bound by the constitution.


protect my life with firearms - not that I give a rats ass anyway


Yes you can, you hear a one out of a million case on the news, I believe most state laws say you can't shoot to kill him/her if he was running away...that's not exactly protecting your life so much as avenging


drive an unregistered car or one with borrowed plates, on public roads OR EVEN MY OWN ROADS... - not that I give a rats ass anyway


That's not true per se, and that's a state law not federal


take an airplane ride without paying the U.N. carbon tax - not that I am ever going on a plane again with all my gun carrying habits...


You can't pump gas without paying a Federal tax either.


OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT WITHOUT A PASSPORT - I had to buy a passport to get all my 50 credit cards hehehe..... JUMPER..!!


That's not true and is more than likely the bank's decision (which is not government run)


Now #head, eat my dust. And you ARE obsessively quoting + everything else.




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