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What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?

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posted on May, 10 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past? This same question was asked on c2c few months back, no caller could give a good answer to the question, all who called in just gripped that the government is taking away our freedom etc….etc, but no one could give an example, so now I pose the same question to you.




posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:00 PM
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It's what the government is forcing ppl do.

^^That's taking away freedom to be left as were.

Dont do and they'll stop you from seeming normal. Do what they dont want and they'll pend versions of you by them in what they say/list on you.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by plug_pray
What has the government stopped you from doing today that you could do freely in the past?


Absolutely nothing .....



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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reply to post by Essan
 



Thats exactly what George on C2C kept saying! bump, one line post!



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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Today I did not camp freely on public land or hunt or fish, build a campfire or make whoop music until 2am. I did not because I am not allowed to by `law`. But I did go to a pow-wow yesterday, and so did 30 or 40 cops who protected us all from hunting and fishing and campfires and such.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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That would be a good question to ask to the Branch Davidians, except they're all dead now.

Would be a good thing to ask Randy Weaver and his family, too, or at least the family members that are still alive.

Don't forget former employees of the WTC, many of whom are also now dead.

We did not used to have to pay an income tax.

We used to have better protection from searches, seizures, wiretapping, deportation, etc., until the PATRIOT Act.

Before the Selective Services Act, you had a right to decide whether or not you wanted to fight in one of the feds' wars, no matter what. Now they can draft you whenever they see fit, if you fit the criteria.

It would also be a good question to ask pot smokers, and I'm pretty sure 18 (and even lower) used to be the legal drinking age for alcohol.

We could go into all kinds of things like corporations being given the same rights (and more) as real US citizens, which opens up a whole Pandora's Box of abuse potential on all different levels.

We used to have an unrestricted right to bear arms, now there are limitations on things like assault rifles if I'm not mistaken, not to mention all the legal paperwork, and neglecting that (ie "illegal" possession of a firearm) is a mandatory 5 years in prison here in Virginia, not sure if it is a federal law.

I'm sure I could go on if I were to sit here long enough. I'm sure you could try to justify various laws that have limited our freedoms, too, but it doesn't matter. There are always justifications for whatever they do, no matter if it's really right or wrong. It's still freedom lost. That's what you asked.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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They haven't... YET. What they have done so far is institute new laws (patriot act) that at the right time will be sprung on to the public, you will imediatly know what you can and can not do once this is instituted, there will be curfues, restrictions ect. I myself am canadian and we have a similar law and have had it for a long time (war measures act). We have had this law for longer probobly cause we are prety much England(our laws/government), except we moved out on our own. I believe martial law was implimented in canada 3 times, during the world wars and the FLQ crisis in quebec. We recoverd and seem to be doing ok now, that is untill the united states and canada both impliment martial law at the same time. All 3 times it was used in canada the united states did not have a similar law, now that they do i think everyone should be on guard.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 03:46 PM
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Perhaps this thread can help you to better understand the current situations and what it's all starting to lead to:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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1) stopped me from watching certain sensitive videos online(censorship)
2)stopped me from posting certain sensitive videos online.
3)stopped me from receiving factual news (MSM)
4)stopped me from doing a music tour this summer because of gas prices.
5)stopped me from smoking a ciggarette outside at a bus stop.(not in the bus stop).
6)stopped from protesting.
7)forced to pay illigal "income tax"
8)forced to give the kids mercury filled inoculations.
9)forced to watch the world at war
10)made me very scared of police..when they should be our friends.

I`ll post more as I think of them



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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My government has provided its citizens with fear.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Kinda hard to have when you have government officials lurking around every media corner telling us to be afraid, be very afraid, of terror waiting to pounce upon us from ever angle at a moments notice.

Suitcase nukes, airplane terror, and nuclear kittens. What a world we live in, no?

My government provided a terror threat color scale to let us know what color to match our fear with.

That fear has done more to destroy this country and take away our rights than we ever needed. As far as no one being able to answer that question on c2c, well, how can you necessarily say people can even remember those freedoms anymore that we could be missing? Media controls all (though that is slipping from their grasp thankfully.)

If you think we live in the same country we did 10-12 years ago, then I would like to know what dimension that is, and how exactly I can get there.



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posted on May, 10 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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hmmm lets see We can't take pictures at bus stops or airports without drawing the attention or the police or DHS.

We have lost the protection from unwarranted search and seizure. It's ok for the government to snoop it's citizens, but not ok for us citizens to see what the government is doing.

You as a citizen can be labeled a enemy combatant by the president and arrested without due process and detained indefinitely without a trial and/or without representation.

The worst is that we are no longer given the Right to the truth in the MSM, we are only given the latest government approved message.

As for the rash of taser related deaths, we are no long given the right to due process, citizens are being executed on the spot for any crime.

Our rights for filing bankruptcy have been greatly curtailed.

Our rights for owning property have also been curtailed, if wal-mart or jiffy lube wants your home, they will get it.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Alright... this opinionated A-hole can't stay away...
As I see it, I haven't been kept from doing much of anything 'freely' up to this point in time (although I am not one of the many in-convenienced and groped at the airports) -- BUT -- that's the design of it all, isn't it? Let the sheeple believe they have all their 'rights,' while 'they' get everything into place... dot all the i's and cross all the t's, in their illegal/non-constitutional writings.

When 'they' decide it is time, only then will you know all of the answer to your question. By then, it seems to me, it's a bit too late to change that answer.



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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i think you miss the point people are complaining about entirely.

it's not about arbitrary things you can't do now that you could do before

it's about the rate at which rights are being removed, and what they WILL be able to DO TO YOU IN THE FUTURE, without THAT being ILLEGAL, if and when that time arises.

knock knock knock ...

..comprendo?



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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The government gave me a check help my family.

Only the money came from me in the first place.

But they penalized me because I made too much money, and paid too much taxes. So they gave about half of my money to someone who did not make as much money or pay as much taxes, because they need my money more than I do.

I do not deny that fact, that they need my money perhaps desperately, only it is my money, and I need to live on it the rest of my frickin life.

I object to the redistribution of my hard earned wealth. I am not wealthy. Not rich. Just happens that my combined family income was over 150k this year. Not by much, just a grand or two.

Just a good hard working middle class family, rapidly approaching the end of our most productive years, and therefore at the height of our lifetime income. In fact I am trying to make up for the 7 years I spent as a nobody in the Navy. Where I did not get any retirement benefits. Where I could not save any money.

The even redistribution of wealth is a communist ideal. Not an American one. We saw how well it worked for the U.S.S.R. It is destructive to the fabric of a society which is already teetering on the brink of collapse.

Better to stop taxing people, and learn to live with a smaller federal government than keep expanding it's ambitions until we are all crushed under it's weight! Who will save my family when the middle class is ruined, and there is no one left standing to pay the taxes?



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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They took away my pride in my country.They have killed in Gods name and in ours.They perform experiments on us with out our knowledge or consent.They steal trillions of hard earned American taxpayers money for black projects.etc...etc....etc...

[edit on 10-5-2008 by CaptGizmo]



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 10:42 PM
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We lost our freedom from being able to travel to Canada, Mexico, Bahamas and a few other countries without a passport.

We are not allowed to travel to Cuba or buy Cuban Cigars in the United States Of America.

We no longer feel free to speak our mind in fear of not being politically correct.

We lost our freedom when banks report you for depositing a certain amount of money into their bank although it is your account.

Many citizens have lost their freedom of movement in this country do to the high price of gas.

We are losing freedom when illegals are being allowed certain benefits in this country and legal citizens are not.

We have lost our freedom with the ease of doing and starting a new business like it use to be with all the bureaucratic paper work we now have to fill out and the many more taxes and permits we now have to pay for whether it be local, state and federal like it or not.

We have lost unbiased reporting on the local and National news do to large corporations buying up and controlling what is written and spoken thru the media. Rik Riley





[edit on 10-5-2008 by rikriley]



posted on May, 10 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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Peaceful protest. (See: Free Speech Zones)

Privacy. (See: Warrantless Wiretapping)

Life. (See: 9-11)

Economic Prosperity. (See: War Cost $3 Trillion)

Freedom from Slavery. (See: Income Tax)

Freedom from Debt. (See: Federal Reserve Fraud)

World Trust/Respect for USA. (See: Illegal War, Occupation, Invasion)

Legal Defense. (See: Writ of Habeus Corpus)

Freedom of the Press. (See: FCC)

Freedom of Locomotion/Travel. (See: No-Fly List, Driver License, Passport)



This is just what they've gotten away with so far.

There are a lot of new things cooking...




[edit on 10-5-2008 by ianr5741]



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
That would be a good question to ask to the Branch Davidians, except they're all dead now.

Would be a good thing to ask Randy Weaver and his family, too, or at least the family members that are still alive.

Don't forget former employees of the WTC, many of whom are also now dead.

We did not used to have to pay an income tax.

We used to have better protection from searches, seizures, wiretapping, deportation, etc., until the PATRIOT Act.

Before the Selective Services Act, you had a right to decide whether or not you wanted to fight in one of the feds' wars, no matter what. Now they can draft you whenever they see fit, if you fit the criteria.

It would also be a good question to ask pot smokers, and I'm pretty sure 18 (and even lower) used to be the legal drinking age for alcohol.

We could go into all kinds of things like corporations being given the same rights (and more) as real US citizens, which opens up a whole Pandora's Box of abuse potential on all different levels.

We used to have an unrestricted right to bear arms, now there are limitations on things like assault rifles if I'm not mistaken, not to mention all the legal paperwork, and neglecting that (ie "illegal" possession of a firearm) is a mandatory 5 years in prison here in Virginia, not sure if it is a federal law.

I'm sure I could go on if I were to sit here long enough. I'm sure you could try to justify various laws that have limited our freedoms, too, but it doesn't matter. There are always justifications for whatever they do, no matter if it's really right or wrong. It's still freedom lost. That's what you asked.


Branch Davidians had grenades, it was how they became involved with the ATF, of course it was handled poorly no doubt.

Do you really think the Exec branch could pull off a draft these days? People would freak out to much. Even if it was needed because people are selfish. I've never had an issue purchasing any firearms including "assault rifles" (a term coined by the Clinton's) Although I do disagree with some of the bans on automatic weapons under the pretense they are not needed for hunting...what ever moron said they were for hunting was a total jack hole. They are for one thing, killing people. If you pass the background check then so be it you should have one if you have the cash.

I do agree mostly on the wiretapping especially with the AT&T/NSA merger. video.google.com...

Don't get what the WTC families have to do with the government taking away rights in your post, unless it is a inference to poorly handled information that could have prevented their deaths.

As far as the income tax, that is just a fact of life in a sense. I would probably prefer something closer to a VAT than our system though which is so inundated with crud it is very hard for anyone with out a CPA that has anything other than a w2 to file on their own. I do disagree with how the money is spent though.



posted on May, 11 2008 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by Maya432
1) stopped me from watching certain sensitive videos online(censorship)
2)stopped me from posting certain sensitive videos online.
3)stopped me from receiving factual news (MSM)
4)stopped me from doing a music tour this summer because of gas prices.
5)stopped me from smoking a ciggarette outside at a bus stop.(not in the bus stop).
6)stopped from protesting.
7)forced to pay illigal "income tax"
8)forced to give the kids mercury filled inoculations.
9)forced to watch the world at war
10)made me very scared of police..when they should be our friends.

I`ll post more as I think of them


I can't think of many things I can't access on the internet. The internet perceives all blocks as a problem and routes around by nature.

Only sensitive videos I can think of that one can't post are child porn. If you really wanted to post something one could always start their own site.

Can't really put all the blame on the gov't for the news companies preventing factual news. I would say it has more to do with them trying to sustain ad revenue than gov't interferance. Although it does happen. Their job is to sell ads not deliver facts.

Sorry to hear about your tour.

Not a fan of the smoking laws myself, but hey, just think, once salt is outlawed we can get iodine injections.

Where I live anyone can protest for any reason, just file for the permit. But I live in America.

Don't like the income tax, don't vote people in that refuse to change it. I don't, granted the people I vote for don't tend to get elected, at least I am trying.

Not familiar on the merc injects but I'll look up.

No one makes you turn on the TV to watch the world at war.

Scared of the police? Stop the pot farm in your basement.




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