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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 12:52 AM
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Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle failed to find "The Holocaust"



Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle wrote reams of books for a full decade after WWII, and in all those writings, they never once mentioned a Holocaust of jews. I've checked out "Churchill's Second World War" and not a single mention of Nazi gas chambers, a genocide of the jews, or of six million jewish victims of the war.

Eisenhower's "Crusade in Europe" is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's "Second World War" total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three volume "Memoires de guerre" is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages, (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention of Nazi gas chambers, a genocide of the jews, or of six million jewish victims of the war.

These world leaders and history writers were completely oblivious, for over a decade after WWII, of any jews being holocausted. Ironically, Eisenhower did use the phrase "holocaust", but this was in reference to the holocaust of christians, in three separate wars, only one of which, WWII, involved any jews.


www.iraq-war.ru...

Not one of top generals mention their devastating findings? What!?! Remember that Patton was murdered right after the war...

Questions are rising fast. Holocaust, no matter how much it has been advertised as genocide, has rising more question, that is has given answers. For truthers this is a big deal, and future of seeking the whole truth. Denial leads us nowhere, and Zionist agenda is already exposed.

What is behind the written history, matrix of our brainwash, we need to know. There is no question what is illegal, or too painful to ask. We need to learn from our past all what it has been true, and expose what has been lies, to prevent it happen again... Or maybe it has happen... All we have to demand is a open debate, and evidence for all accusations.

The Real Aushwitz

judicial-inc.biz...

Swimming pool for prisoners of Aushwitz? Yes.


How Zyklon-B Works

judicial-inc.biz...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by JanusFIN]




posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:28 AM
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I would say the pool was used by the Germans.
How do you swallow that?


Watch these.

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Yeah.... a real holiday destination


time to get real


Mungo



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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I have study this issue a lot, and seen those interviews you shown.

I have also visited in three campsite myself, and what I didnt found from Treblinka is still in my head, and open many questions... I try to keep my mind open for objective research.

1.7 million german soldiers died to starvation in las year of the war, and right after that. What I have study, the most of the problems among all prisoners was caused of lack in food supply, witch caused the horror in camps in last months. Desperate situation brings desperate solutions... Violence.

Question is, "If you have no food for your soldiers, how can you feed your prisoners?"

I am not defending Germans, but I am trying to find fair answers.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by JanusFIN
Question is, "If you have no food for your soldiers, how can you feed your prisoners?"


Good point. By the last year of WWII, food was scarce EVERYWHERE.

The Red Cross had been helping for quite some time, by making food drops from aircraft to aid the camp prisoners. But in those last months, the Allied bombing raids were so heavy and constant that the Red Cross could no longer safely provide aid.

By the time Hitler was dead and the Russians and Allies were getting into the camps, both Typhus and starvation had taken their toll on the overcrowded population. What we see all the pictures of, at the end of the war, was not necessarily the way it was from the start.

BTW - Zyklon B was the only defense, in those days, against the lice infestations that cause Typhus. When the Jews started coming from Poland, where they were already overcrowded and living in less-than-healthy conditions, they were already infested and sometimes even ill. The only way to try to get control of such a situation was by immediately removing every last piece of clothing (which had to be first treated with the Zyklon B and then incinerated in order to ensure the lice were killed) and take showers before being given camp-issued, louse-free, clothing!

It is actually near impossible to adequately seal up huge rooms sufficiently enough to gas a couple of dozen or more people!

Research into the nearly obsolete gas chamber method of execution here in the US will reveal a whole lot about the nature of Cyanide gas poisoning.

Lots of things happen during war and the first 50 years of the 20th century were no doubt the worst time this world has ever experienced at the same time. 56 million people (of all nations and professions) died in WWII - WWI was less but still horrendous. It was never JUST about Jews or Germans or communism or even freedom! It was, IMO, TRULY about the pain that EVERY family on the globe felt, because of it.

I want to see the truth come out and I know that soon it will. There is no need to justify, defend, or accuse any longer! We can only seek closure about the whole ordeal by trying to reveal the WHOLE story dispassionately so that everyone has the same opportunity to consider just how important it is that such times NEVER EVER fall upon mankind again!!!

GOD be with us!



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 05:39 AM
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If your theory is correct, where are the people? For example:
A Polish census shows 3.1 millions Jews in 1931. Let's say half (even though much less) became USSR citizens in 1939. After WW2 - 240000. 240000/1500000 ---> population dropped by 500% - by what means?
Why Polish population ,which suffered horribly, had no such drop?
Why in WW1 which was heavily fought on territory which later became Poland, with Jews being prosecuted, Jewish population did not change in the same manner? Actually,even with persecutions and immigration, change was only slightly negative due to natural growth.
What caused this magical disappearance of Jews? With well documented love and affection to Jews from Hitler and majority of his aids, with eugenics theory and Jews spoiling a race stuff - is it that hard to reach a conclusion?
Are murders of mentally-ill documented well enough for you? Because the reason they were killed is also eugenics.

queenannie38

From personal experience - a can of tear gas in a large, totally non-sealed tent containing dozen soldiers - works.
At least for longer then i could hold my breath.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
The only way to try to get control of such a situation was by immediately removing every last piece of clothing (which had to be first treated with the Zyklon B and then incinerated in order to ensure the lice were killed)


Wow, those are some serious lice! You have to spray them with a chemical and THEN toss them in an incinerator to insure death?

If the incinerator alone wont kill lice, thank goodness for Zyklon!

No wonder that stuff you can buy in the stores today to kill lice is so expensive.


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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 07:37 AM
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The motto of ATS is "Deny Ignorance", so lets do that, shall we?

When Hitler became chancellor in 1933 one of the first things he did - on the 1st April - was to launch, and support a boycott of Jewish businesses. This "launch" was carried out by the Brownshirts, co-ordinatied by Julius Striecher, under the name "Juden unerwunscht" (Jews not wanted). This "boycott" involved the Nazi party's Brownshirts physically blocking accessways to businesses, snashing shop windows and painting slogans on the shop fronts.

On the 7th April Hitler banned all persons of "non-arayan" descent from serving in Government or in legal practices, and placed restrictions on the numbers of jews allowed to attend schools and universities, and refused permission for jewish people to work in the health sector.

On 29th September 1933, Hitler forbade jews, from being involved in German culture by establishing the Reich Chambers of Culture, of which they were not allowed to attend.

Jews were also restricted, by law, from serving in the Military.

And that was 1933.

From '33 to 39 400 seperate anti-jewish laws were bought into force, the peak of which came by 1935. The "Nuremberg Laws" removed the right of free movement from jewish people, prevented them from marrying or even having sex with non-jewish people. The laws set out to decree who was and who wasn't a jew, and who was or was not of "Arayan descent" (this law didn't only affect jews, it affected people of Gypsy and Romany descent)

Between '37 and '38 the Nazis seized businesses and property, medical practices and shops from Jewish people.

In 1938 the Nazis's forceably deported over 17,000 Polish Jews across the border. In November that year the Brownshirts were out in force, burning down over 200 synagogues, smashing jewish homes and property (in some cases throwing the occupants bodily out of upstairs windows). Then Himmler rounded up nearly 30,000 jewish men and sent them to the Dachau Concentration Camp. In order to cover claims for "damages" carried out by the Brownshirts, Himmler also imposed a one billion mark fine collectively on remaining jewish population.

When the Germans invaded Poland in '39 they realised that they had conquered a country holding 3.3 milion Jewish people. The initial plan had been to forcibly deport every single jew to Madagascar, but that relied on Britain not entering the war, and the French colony recognising German control after the planned invasion of France (neither happened).

When Britain declared war, the concentration began and the Germans annexed North Western Poland and started to move 600,000 people from Poland and 400,000 from Germany into that area, forcing them into ghettos and making them wear special insignia to indicate their race and religion. Some of the ghettos were walled in, and the population density worked out at about 6 people per room per household. Food was also rationed into the ghettos, and clothing was restricted. Starvation became an issue with over 2,000 people dying per month in the Warsaw ghetto.

Starting in the Spring 1940 the Einsatzgruppen began a campaign against the Polish elite and jewish gentiles - murdering over 3,500 of them, usually by taking them out into the local square and machine gunning them. People were shot in the street, where they worked, and at home. Those who were not killed were sent to the ghettos or to the camps in the "resettlement zone"

Prior to this, in '39 Hitler had decreed that those people who were mentally unstable, physically disabled, senile and not "pure" were to be euthanised, and this became the basis of the extermination process. These people were killed in smaller centres, by pumping carbon monoxide into gas chambers. By '41 70,000 had died, and the process had been "perfected". The operation paid for itself by the confiscation of jewellery and gold fillings from the victims.

In '41, as Hitler planned Barbarossa - the invasion of the Soviet Union , he stressed to his commanders that the invasion was final battle between "Jewish Bolshevism" and Nazi Socialism, that Russians were sub-human, that the soldiers were not bound by any laws on Russian territory and could act as they saw fit. He also saw Communism as a Jewish conspiracy and therefore declared by proxy that all Jews could be exterminated as enemies of the Nazi state.

As Barbarossa started, the majority of Russian Jews lived directly in the first areas to be attacked. The Germans overran the Red Army and then the Einstatzgruppen moved in behind, often working under the pretext of asking for help from local jews on reconstruction projects so that numbers of them could be gathered up, and then taking them off to areas where they were machine gunned.

When the Germans reached Kiev in September '41, they told the local Jews they were going to be resettled, and posted that all those of Jewish descent should arrive at the local cemetary the following day before being put onto trains to move to their new areas. Those arriving were funnelled into line and taken in groups to a clearing where the local police forced them to strip. They were then led into another clearing where they were machine gunned and dumped into a natural deep earth cleft called Babi-Yar. Small children and babies were thrown into the mass grave still alive. non-jewish spectators who stumbled onto the event were also rounded up and executed. That operation claimed the lives of over 33,000 people over two days. By the time the operation had finished between 150,000 and 200,000 people had been killed at Babi-Yar.

In 1942 Operation Reinhard began, which was the codename for the systematic extermination of the Jews at Dachau, Buchenwald, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek and Auschwitz.

Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were pure killing centres, "processing" 25,000 people a day. The other camps also had forced labour programmes in place where inmates were worked to death.

Gassing was initially carried out by carbom monoxide poisoning, but the frail, young and infirm were usually shot. The bodies were dumped into a pit which was kept constantly burning. The gassed bodies were thrown into the pit, but only after gold fillings were extracted. 400 people were gassed at a time at the camps at this stage.

In '43 Himmler destroyed the Warsaw ghetto by systematically destroying and burning buildings and shipping those who survived into the concentration camps.

Auschwitz became the centre of Jewish Exterminations by Himmlers decree. The commandant, Rudolf Hoss thought the use of Carbon Monoxide impracticable and slow, and after experimeting on killing Soviet prisoners of war Zyklon B was found to be most effective, as the pellets released hydrogen-cyanide gas when they came into contact with air. Death was almost immediate - as opposed to taking 12/15 minutes with Carbon Monoxide.

At its "peak" Auschwitz covered nearly 20 square miles and held 160,000 square people waiting disposal, or working producing sythetic rubber or mining coal. The camp grew in size from killing 1,200 people initially in May '42 through an expansion scheme and "inauguration" program in 1943 when four new chambers and crematoria came into operation working with the initial two to kill 8,000 people per day. The camp killed every day of its operation.

Think about that - 8000*365 is 2,920,000 people a year - at one camp.

Does that put the holocaust total in better perspective I wonder?

The killing at Auschwitz stopped by Himmlers decree in November '44 - probably because he knew the war was lost, but also because the Reich needed slave labour and the process was proving to be too efficient in removing it. He may also have been trying to set up an excuse that he was "merciful" following the end of the war.

All but one of the crematoria were dismantled and the gassing equipment moved back into Germany

The Russians liberated the camp on 27th January 1945. They discovered that the Germans had failed to burn over 1.2 million items of clothing of the deceased, they also discovered remains and other evidence. That pattern was repeated across all of the liberated camps.

Now I would respectfully say that, given the history of the Nazis when they came into power, their actions before the war, and their actions during the war, the evidence gathered by the allies, and the actual witness testimonies of captured Nazis and camp survivors, that Auschwitz was most definitely not some kind of "holiday camp" with a swimming pool, but was in fact a haven for one of the most sickening acts of genocide in human history, and that anyone who looks at the actual history and facts can't really draw any other conclusion.

Learn some proper history. Deny Ignorance.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
From personal experience - a can of tear gas in a large, totally non-sealed tent containing dozen soldiers - works.


Well, that makes perfect sense; that is exactly what it is designed to do!

BUT tear gas and cyanide gas are dissimilar in several ways that render your comparison irrelevant.


  • Tear gas is actually, more often than not, an AEROSOL and not a true gas. Aerosol means that the irritating agent is encapsulated in moisture (often water but not necessarily) and this aids dispersion.

  • Irritating agent means something that will cause great discomfort to mucus membranes and such, for a short time, and is not intended to do any lasting harm.

  • Cyanide is deadly POISON because it is an -ide. That means that there are no free oxygen molecules in the gas and when it displaces the air we breathe, there is NO more air to breathe. Just like H2S and carbon monoxide. No one ever committed suicide by sitting inside their car with the garage door OPEN.


  • Cyanide is less dense than the air we breathe, which means it will RISE to the top of an enclosed area.


Tear gas is for riot/crowd control as well as self-defense (pepper spray, etc).
Cyanide gas is meant to kill (pests and vermin).


Tear Gas
Cyanide
Gas Chamber

and, oh yeah....next time you have to do your OWN homework



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by pavlovsdog
Wow, those are some serious lice! You have to spray them with a chemical and THEN toss them in an incinerator to insure death?


Well, actually I think it is lice POO that is the problem, more than just those little lousy lice! (pun intended!)



Seriously, though, Typhus is some BAD stuff! And war usually comes with Typhus, by default.




If the incinerator alone wont kill lice, thank goodness for Zyklon!


Well, perhaps the fire would kill the lice, but on the way there...POO is falling off, unseen!


No wonder that stuff you can buy in the stores today to kill lice is so expensive.


See there...now you know!

It's those little combs, though, that probably cost so much!




posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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maby this is just what the nazi's told jews to get them to come... pedaphiles tell children they have candy... they may have it but it is just a trick to get them in there.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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Well, anyway this time i will just thank you for doing the homework for me.

However, i still fail to see why cyanide can kill only in totally sealed buildings. If i just close all the windows and doors in the my building, i will not be able to reach lethal concentration of cyanide?
"Cheating" from your own homework:




Reports have indicated that during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, hydrogen cyanide gas may have been used along with other chemical agents against the inhabitants of the Kurdish city of Halabja in northern Iraq.

In WW1 gas attacks (not the same,however not in aerosol form also) were made in open field, and there were casualties and fatalities.
Deadly dose per space is a question of concentration. You are aware of Tokyo attacks in the subway? Different gas, but still - non-sealed quarters,and pretty spacious.
As for lice issue:
Are you aware that cyanide is more lethal to humans then to lice?



HCN is much more effective on warm-blooded animals, including humans, than it is on insects. The exposure period (to HCN) is much greater in delousing operations than in homicidal gassings. This means that a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people than to get rid of lice, etc. In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so.

www.nizkor.org...



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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There are an abundance of blissful people on ATS.

I just happen to own a first edition of Omar Bradley's autobiography. If a person was to go to page 539, you would read about Bradley and Eisenhower visit of Ohrdruf at the bequest of Patton. This was the first camp the Western Allies overran.

The information is actually "out there", it just be in an old book and not searchable from the internet with questionable "historical" accuracy.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:54 AM
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posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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A life is a life,true. All deaths are tragic. Do you see someone questioning the fact that Poles were murdered/killed/died in WW2?
Do you see someone stating that the numbers that Polish government presents about its losses during WW2 are intentional lies?
Since OP questioned data concerning Jews, i am discussing the deaths of Jews. However if you read the post,you will see that i never said Poles did not suffer, quite the opposite.
I am myself. A who,by the way,not what. And the rest of your post i would like not to comment.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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BLAH BLAH BLAH....

... you holocaust deniers always ignore the testimonies of both the survivors and the rank and file troops who liberated the camps.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Well there is a lot of good information here, people have been doing thier research. However, there is something in particular people i think are failing to mention. A lot of the jewish animosity goes back towards the end of WW1- actually ZIONIST.

During WW1, before the US got involved, Germany was undeniably winning. They had proposed a treaty to Britain suggesting they take things back to the way things were prior to the war to avoid all the killing and destruction. Britain at the time having run nearly out of supplies and losing people like crazy seriously contemplated taking up that offer. BUT!!! at that time, German citzens, zionist citizens had gone to Britain and explained that they did not need to accept that treaty, nor give up the war because the Zionists would help them win.

"what can you do to help us win" the Brits would ask. The Zionists promised to get the USA involved, being a sure way to win. Now keep in mind the power the Zionists had, and have even more of today. Youd be doing yourself a poor service to deny that. There are many little events that led the US into the war. But one of the main things was the overall shift of attitude of the American public, to be against Germany. The people of the US before their entering of the war were for the most part pro German. Too convenient. The media was owned by Zionists and were easily able to convince the public that the Germans were no good. (along with the sinking of the lusitania)

The British had agreed to pull the US into the war with the help of the Zionists, in exchange for Palestine. Which they didnt pull off until after WW2. Seems strange that they could promise a territory they did not own. But they did. This agreement was called the Balfour Declaration, written in such a way and encrypted with hidden meaning, that only the writters and signers could understand the content of it.

Long story short, the war ended and the British and Germans met to formally end the war. The Zionists stepped in and asked for thier end of the bargain to be granted. The Germans sitting right there, saw this... and were pissed! Who wouldnt be. "why have our own citizens that weve given refuge to from russia sell us out like this." After the war- we all know how Germany was forced to pay MASSIVE reparations. Well, justified in my opinion, they left some of the burden of the reparations on the shoulders of the wealthy backstabbing Zionists who caused them to lose the war.

The Zionists however, as we all know, do not like to pay for thier crimes or serve any kind of punishment. They had then organized a worldwide meeting of all of the most powerful Zionists in the world to meet in Amsterdam, and declare a boycott, and worldwide boycott against German made goods. At the time Germany had to export in order to accumulate enough money to pay reparations, so a worldwide boycott really hurt them. It proved successful and no German made goods could be found anyplace around the world. The Zionists figured, that ought to show those Germans not to # with Zionists.
The German resentment obviously grew....
Another interesting fact about the holocaust however, it was only NON ETHNIC jews apparently that were rounded up to the camps.

Dont think that in any way am i trying to justify the actions of what took place in those camps, however i do agree with some, that we are being lied to about what really went on in those camps. And how it got there.

iamthewitness.com...



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
However, i still fail to see why cyanide can kill only in totally sealed buildings. If i just close all the windows and doors in the my building, i will not be able to reach lethal concentration of cyanide?


It is all about chemistry. It isn't hard to find several sources that simply explain WHY in layman's terms!


"Cheating" from your own homework:


Cheating from me? No! You are:
selectively applying OPINIONS found on the same web-page I used as a reference in order to try to support YOUR own OPINION

Because...there are FACTS on that page and there are also OPINIONS.

The OPINIONS have not been proven - they are allegations at best.
OPINIONS = incomplete understandings.

The FACTS are empirically validated and have been established in the field of chemistry for many decades. And we could also apply the scientific method, ourselves, this very day, and get the SAME results.



Deadly dose per space is a question of concentration. You are aware of Tokyo attacks in the subway? Different gas, but still - non-sealed quarters,and pretty spacious.


Did you even take chemistry in high school?
Key words: DIFFERENT GAS.


As for lice issue:
Are you aware that cyanide is more lethal to humans then to lice?


Are YOU aware that you are lacking any sort of quantifier in your question?

SOMETIMES it is. SOMETIMES it isn't. It DEPENDS on the situation and the circumstances.

When people are dropping by the dozen on a daily basis because of a Typhus epidemic...and you kill the lice FAR AWAY from the sick people with the cyanide....is it STILL MORE LETHAL?

NO! It is actually the exact opposite. It is helping to RESTORE health!

The TRUTH is that NO ONE knows, FOR SURE, if the Germans killed the Jews with cyanide gas 'showers.'
Many Jews might say they know but yet if they knew FOR SURE they would be dead, too.

The ONLY way that anyone could determine this objectively, one way or the other, would be with forensic investigation (autopsies and related methods).
I am NOT willing to make assumptions or conjectures about things so serious as GENOCIDE unless I have empirical evidence to examine! Why are you?

Most of the so-called evidence about what happened in Germany in WWII is conjecture. And the conjecture has come from sympathies that we extended toward those who had been victimized. BUT I personally don't see war that way.

Once WAR is on, there are no victims or aggressors...there are just warriors and civilians! All is fair in love and war!
It was England who started it all, anyway - at least in Europe. And because of conflicting treaties made by the UK to BOTH the Palestinians as well as the Zionists, between WWI and WWII, there has not been peace over there for almost 70 years.

Answer me this, if you can:
WHO STARTED WWII?
That is, which country declared war FIRST?



HCN is much more effective on warm-blooded animals, including humans, than it is on insects. The exposure period (to HCN) is much greater in delousing operations than in homicidal gassings. This means that a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people than to get rid of lice, etc. In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so.


So, is this from someone EXPERIENCED in homicidal gassings?
Credentials?
How much do we TRULY know, for sure, about 'homicidal gassing' using cyanide?

I will save you some time: NOT MUCH.

There is an ABUNDANCE of archival material from both World Wars available, both on-line and off. Stuff like speeches and letters sent back and forth, treaties, news articles, etc.

Those things can only reveal the true picture - words that men, now long dead, wrote or said to each other during the war CAN NOT lie! And EVERY country involved in the fight has their own side of the story.

But the cause and effect of the whole fiasco ended up in a 30 year long COLD WAR with the Russians.

Who really SUCCEEDED in WWII with their personal goals?
WHO WON?

I think Stalin did! He fooled us all - both Axis and Allied! :shk:



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by grover
BLAH BLAH BLAH....

... you holocaust deniers always ignore the testimonies of both the survivors and the rank and file troops who liberated the camps.


Not only the survivors and liberators, what about the Nazis that worked the camps? There is far more proof that the Holocaust happened than it didnt.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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This is true... there is mountains, literally of evidence, including the nazis own metculious record keeping to prove that it happened.

I am at a loss as to why certain people continue denying it.... the whole history of the 20th century proves that people can and have done the things the nazis did without blinking an eye... from Stalin to the Cultural Revolution to Pol Pot to Rawanda to the Balkans to Darfur... I can only wonder what their agenda is in denial.



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 01:18 PM
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Why would Churchill write of the Holocaust? Why would Eisenhower? Or de Gaulle? None of them witnessed it first hand. These were not men of great humility who could acknowledge the role that their policy had in creating the holocaust. They were different times and such things did not concern them, they wrote their books to talk about themselves not to detract from their glory by highlighting their mistakes. I have read the biographies of a number of German Generals, they do mention those contributing events that they witnessed. Heinz Guderian, in Panzer Leader, goes into some detail of his own sense of culpability and of how his experience of witnessing the actions of the death squads effected his belief in Hitler as the rightful leader of Germany. This is what eventually drew him to join the 20th July 1944 plotters even though it went against all that he believed in as a man of honour and a soldier.

Is it just Auschwitz that you have a problem with, or is it just the Jews?

Do you deny the massacre at Lidice? Or Ordane-sur-Glane? Are they more probable in your mind because they do not include Jewish victims?

Perhaps you could explain what exactly it is about the Jewish experience that you have a problem with. Why do you think that is untrue when set against a period when race and nationalism were the means by which all lived and died?

The Germans were not unique. Throughout Europe civilians and no-combatants were murdered for no other reason than they did not fit the ideals of the given regime. Do you also deny the actions of the Ustasha or of the Arrow Cross Party? Millions upon millions of innocent civilians died, why do you find it so hard to believe that the Jews were also killed? Is it just the gas chambers and the crematoria? Why not forget them then, just concentrate on the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and the Waffen-SS? The photographic evidence, the film footage, the reports transmitted and filed… They murdered far more Jews and ethnic Poles than the death camps ever did. Read the testimony of Paul Blobel who under Himmler’s Aktion 1005 directive was sent back to Treblinka (and all over the East) to dig up the mass graves, burn up the bodies and break up the bones.

All aspects of life at Auschwitz are incredibly well documented. While I realise that some feel that Hoess’ statements were taken under duress, this is not the only record. There were hundreds of witnesses, from all walks of life and from both sides of the fence. If you have any doubt it is because you have not explored the information available or disregarded it because it fails to fit with your bigotry.

There was a swimming pool at Auschwitz, there was also a brothel. They for use by the Kapos. Those that achieve high productivity, who drove their ‘teams’ of slave labourers the hardest, were given vouchers that they could spend, either at the pool or the brothel as a reward. The former Kapos provided testimony to this effect. Are they liars too? The women who had the misfortune to service the needs of the Kapos, although they were better fed because of it, also provide their testimony to this. Are they all liars?

There are hundreds of witnesses but you know better.
It never ceases to amaze me how the moronic mindset who wish to excuse the actions of the Nazis will suddenly consider themselves greater experts on Zyklon B usage than those that administered it (we have their testimony too), or of those that carried out the experiments (Arthur Nebe and Bach dem Zelewski both testified at Nuremberg on how Himmler ordered them to find a quick acting means of murder and how those experiments were conducted first on Russian POWs). Are they all liars? Degesch testified that they sold the Zyklon B to the Germans, that they sold quanities adequate to kill hundreds of millions. If they Germans had Zyklon B in such quantities why were so many dying of Typhus? Could it be that it was not bought for that purpose?

Why is that people claim that supply lines were cut by allied bombing raids, when there is no evidence that these bombing raids occurred? Or acknowledge the fact that supplies were not being sent to the camps anyway, what exactly was cut?

The argument that the camps were visited by the Swiss Red Cross, also falls apart when placed in proper context. Carl Burckhardt, the Swiss representative of the Red Cross who spent much of his time from 1934 petitioning Himmler for permission to visit the camps, wrote in his own memoirs of his conversations with Reinhard Heydrich where he was only granted permission to visit camps selected by Himmler and Heydrich. Hans Frank testified that he made at least two attempts to visit Auschwitz and was physically prevented from doing so on both occasions. Do you think that if they couldn’t let their own countrymen in, that they would let in a foreigner?

By all means read Zundel, Rudolf, Faurisson et al, but also ensure that you place their views in context with the other information that is available. That way you can develop an opinion of your own instead of prostituting yourself to theirs.



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