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Originally posted by Radekus
Originally posted by masonica_esoterica
Originally posted by twitchy
It's not just this thread I'm refering to, it's a long story with alot of threads and posts that you may not be aware of, but suffice it to say I am in a long term opposition to Freemasonry and Zionism.
it is not where I am trying to take a thread, it is where you already have taken it.
That's a cheap tactic and you know it. You're obviously one of those people who provokes others into arguing on your own terms,
does not listen to reason, feeds off the other person's emotions,
and in the end says, haha, I showed you. Common, that's really immature. Emotional vampire is what you are, I know your kind.
I feel bad for your children, you must argue with them alot.
[edit on 22-1-2008 by Radekus]
Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
reply to post by masonica_esoterica
Maonica_Esoterica you are way out of line.
You acuse Twitchy of being anti-semite without any provocation whatsoever. It is obvious you are attempting to derail the thread.
Twitchy does tackle some delicate subjects, (ie Kosher tax) but now you are grouping him with anti-semites and anti-masons quoting M&D out of context.
Ask yourself, what have you contributed to this thread so far?
[edit on 22/1/08 by ConspiracyNut23]
The Facts
Attacks on the labeling of food with the symbols for kashruth (traditional Jewish dietary laws) have been a standard ploy of anti-Jewish bigots in the U.S. for decades. Such symbols as the "kosher certification" emblem of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations (UOJC), among others, confirm that products are kosher—i.e., that foods and production processes have been inspected by competent rabbis from the respective organizations and found to be in compliance with Jewish dietary law.
The cost to the consumer for this service is a miniscule fraction of the total production overhead; it is so negligible in practical terms as to be virtually non-existent. A May 18, 1975 New York Times article reported that the cost to General Foods' "Bird's Eye" Unit, for example, is 6.5 millionths (.0000065) of a cent per item. Furthermore, a representative of the Heinz Company has said that the per item cost is "so small we can't even calculate it," and that such labeling actually makes products less costly by increasing the market for them.
Indeed, according to marketing manager Steven Zamichow, quoted in the Washington Post, "Entenmann's Inc. received kosher certification in 1981 and sales of [its] baked goods 'increased substantially.' " Visits to the Entenmann's plant from a "mashgiach" or kashruth inspector, are provided by the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America. The UOJC is one of several groups that maintain such a kosher inspection service, certifying foods and related products to be in compliance with Jewish dietary laws through all phases of production. The profit from these products goes, of course, to the companies that manufacture them and the stores that sell them, not to "the Jews."
Originally posted by NewWorldOver
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I'm sorry, but this is a CONSPIRACY THEORY FORUM, Masons. You are NOT allowed to call people anti-semitic, anti-masons etc. for simply trying to DISCUSS your organization.
Originally posted by twitchy
I did find a couple sources claiming that he was the one that personally funded the stone memorial,
so if Maj. Gen. Frederick Thorlin was a freemason, than I think it would be pretty conclusive, what do we know about that dude?
Hobnobbery
There is a clear relationship between Freemasonry, Judaism and International Zionism.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
it has been shown to you and others that the obelisk, as a Masonic emblem
Originally posted by twitchy
Now your denial that Freemasonry isn't a Zionist institution either refelcts ignorance, or intentional dishonesty. I hope the former, but suspect the latter.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Are you trying to imply that anything whatsoever that has to do with the Bible is supposed to be "Zionist"?
Originally posted by twitchy
Proove it, I don't take a Freemason's word for anything anymore after I've seen some fo the disinfo you guys sling around here on ATS especially.
We had one mason trying to tell us there was no Hierarchy in Freemasonry,
we've had another try to tell us that Freemasonry doesn't have anything to do with Judaism or Zionism,
now your gonna try to tell us that you guys don't use the Obelisk as a symbol, yet you go around erecting them.
Sorry, your word here is as as good as anybody else's words, we're all on the level here.
And by the way, it is a cheap tactic, but one that is going to show you to be dishonest or ignorant because Freemasonry is Zionism, the Blue lodges are a kabalagarten of symbology. And the Acacia Tree contains '___' and 5MEO'___', the most potent hallucinagens known to man. There's your big secret.
Ma Ha Bologna
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Who cares what is in acacia? We do not eat it.
Originally posted by twitchy
Then you've been had. The only light you've obtained is what creeps through the door frame at your local lodge. Maybe you should ask your worshipful grand master why you haven't been initiated into the true esoterica. Apparently you've been left out, perhaps for good reason.
Originally posted by twitchy
Whose temple do you think you're building?
Originally posted by twitchy
Or maybe he can at least attempt to explain to you the hypocrisy of true initiation verses the ambiguous and wholly useless symbology they hand the lower orders of Masonry.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
I have progressed through to the highest order there is in Masonry. There are none higher.
Originally posted by twitchy
I don't take a Freemason's word for anything anymore after I've seen some fo the disinfo you guys sling around here on ATS especially. We had one mason trying to tell us there was no Hierarchy in Freemasonry, we've had another try to tell us that Freemasonry doesn't have anything to do with Judaism or Zionism, now your gonna try to tell us that you guys don't use the Obelisk as a symbol, yet you go around erecting them.
Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Indeed, Obelisks are a well known Masonic symbol and to state otherwise, is a lie. Like I said before, asking how an obelisk is masonic is such a silly question that it seems like outright denial... there is nothing wrong with a thread about a Masonic obelisk, yet you'll see from looking at this thread how VEHEMENTLY the Masons are opposing ANY talk of their organization:
The Obelisk
The obelisk is, to quote McDowell and Meyer in The Revival Styles in American Memorial Art, one of the "most pervasive of all the revival forms" of cemetery art. There is hardly a cemetery founded in the 1840s and 50s without some form of Egyptian influence in the public buildings, gates, tomb art, etc. Napoleon's 1798-99 Egyptian campaigns, the discoveries at the tombs of the Pharaohs, and our new Republic's need to borrow the best of the ancient cultures (Greek revival, classic revival, the prominence of classical studies and dress, etc.) led to a resurgence of interest in the ancient Egyptian culture. Obelisks were considered to be tasteful, with pure uplifting lines, associated with ancient greatness, patriotic, able to be used in relatively small spaces, and, perhaps most importantly, obelisks were less costly than large and elaborate sculpted monuments. There were many cultural reasons for the revival styles of the nineteenth century. Freemasonry, while part of the overall cultural influence, was not responsible for the prevalence of obelisks. If you would like to read more about some of these styles, see The Egyptian Revival: Its Sources, Monuments and Meaning, 1808-1859, by Richard Carrott.
We aren't FABRICATING information here,
we're trying to discuss an OBELISK. To disrupt the discussion by demanding an Obelisk is unrelated to Masonry is just plain silly, and I'm glad that twitchy, among others, hasn't succumbed to this effort to derail yet another Mason thread.