Originally posted by RWPBR
Scratch an atimason and you will find an antisemite.

This is the nonsense I'm talking about.

Rabid, anti-conspitorial, unfounded character slander in an attempt to stave off ANY conversation about Masonry and secret societies.

I'm sorry, but this is a CONSPIRACY THEORY FORUM, Masons. You are NOT allowed to call people anti-semitic, anti-masons etc. for simply trying to DISCUSS your organization.

I'm just going to leave this thread alone before I get riled up. I am disgusted at the way Masons bully this forum, though.

Cya.

Got to admitt... I was pretty confused to find out Obelisk's where Masonic ...

They where made by Stonemasons of course.

If it at least had a square and compass, but it doesn't, and the shape is by no means Masonic..

So, in theory, this thread should have been a simple matter of "it is not Masonic" instead of 4 pages or so of petty arguing.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So, in theory, this thread should have been a simple matter of "it is not Masonic" instead of 4 pages or so of petty arguing.

Why is that?

Because Masons said it is not Masonic?

This is an open forum and people should come to their own conclusions, and they do. I can't count how many times Masons have immediately stepped into a thread to say "No conspiracy here. This discussion is over."

It's rude to insinuate that a thread should die the moment a Mason gives his input. It also goes entirely against the notion of conspiratorial debate and conspiracy theories in general.

It's like somebody saying "Americans are ruining the world."

I, as an American, can step in and say "No we're not. End of discussion." But being an American doesn't give me the final say.

Make sense?
That's a rhetorical question. I know it makes sense, yet the Masonic stone-walling continues.

This obelisk may very well be the work of Masonic design, who is going to prove or disprove? It is open for discussion. Doesn't matter how badly the Masons cripple a thread... it should be allowed to continue.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
I still have not had my question answered by the original poster. It was fairly simple and straight forward; What is Masonic about the memorial?

What is Masonic about Obelisks?

Being a Mason yourself it seems silly to even ask that question.

If the OP didn't answer you, what can we do? Force him? If you as Masons don't believe this is even an obelisk, that it's an unrelated pyramid, than why not leave it at that? I am painfully aware of the reason why... but that's not the topic of this thread.

I certainly believe that a pyramid or structure of any sort on ground zero of the first nuclear blast is significant. If it's not of Masonic origin, so be it... no need to doggy-pile the thread with the aim that the discussion simply die out. But again, I am painfully aware why this seems to happen in EVERY thread mentioning Masons. And I'll leave it at that.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
What is Masonic about Obelisks?

Odd that you chose to answer the same way as the original poster, by not answering. Tell me in your opinion, if it is not too difficult, what is Masonic about it.

Being a Mason yourself it seems silly to even ask that question.

Being a Mason I find it silly that everyone thinks obelisks are Masonic in nature. They were used extensively in Anicent Egypt as impressive architectural elements. Their rennaissance and return to vogue can be directly attributed to Napoleon's Egyptian campaigns in 1798-1799 and the Egyptian Revival style of 1808-1959 which subsequently followed the aforementioned military operations.

While it may be revered by some Masons for its symmetry and structure it by no means is a true 'Masonic' emblem or icon. Its progenesis far predates modern Speculative Masonry by millenia and there are no usages of it in a Masonic Lodge.

If the OP didn't answer you, what can we do? Force him? If you as Masons don't believe this is even an obelisk, that it's an unrelated pyramid, than why not leave it at that? I am painfully aware of the reason why...

Painfully aware of what? Please enlighten me.

I certainly believe that a pyramid or structure of any sort on ground zero of the first nuclear blast is significant. If it's not of Masonic origin, so be it... no need to doggy-pile the thread with the aim that the discussion simply die out. But again, I am painfully aware why this seems to happen in EVERY thread mentioning Masons. And I'll leave it at that.

Perhaps if people actually addressed questions directed to them threads would not end up diverging on these unwanted tangents. To assert a position and then not offer opinion or, more importantly, facts why is not helpful nor helps germinate conversation.

[edit on 22-1-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]

Let us also not forget that if one looks from the top of the obelisk down one will see a square and they usually are set inside a circle. This symbolism of the square and circle is highly occultic.

Why is this important?

Here is a snippet I saw a while ago and went out looking for just now:

There are four major obelisks that were erected by Freemasons in the 19th century.

The first obelisk was brought to France from Thebes, Egypt, and was placed in Paris's Revolution Square the site of mass public guillotining during the Mason lead Bloody French Revolution.

The second obelisk was brought to England from Alexandria, Egypt, and was placed next to the Thames river in London.

The third obelisk was brought to America in 1881 from Alexandria, Egypt, and was placed in Central Park in New York City.

The fourth obelisk is the Washington Monument, built to commemorate our First President, George Washington(who was a Free Mason). In light of the symbols which we have just studied, which have been built into the layout of Government Center. The Washington Monument was constructed by Masons, according to Masonic tradition, as a symbol that this country was controlled by Freemasonry from the very beginning.

Food for thought...