Interesting Place to Find a Masonic Obelisk, page 2


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reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 06:01 PM by Trinityman
reply to post by twitchy



I'm sorry Twitchy, but it's really really hard to try and prove a negative. I'm not sure I can do that. Any chance that you can show why you think it is masonic?



reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 06:04 PM by twitchy
reply to post by intrepid



That works out pretty well if you subscribe to the theory that Freemasonry came about in the middle ages as an early type of Labor Union.

As to Cleopatra's Neddle in Central park...

Source
The polished cube found in the east angle corresponds to the perfect ashlar; the polished square corresponds with the square; the rough block found in the west angle corresponds with the rough ashlar; the stone with figures representing snakes is emblematic of wisdom; the axis stone is the trestle board, and the marked stone adjacent to it bears the Master's Mark.
The two implements found, the lead plummet and the iron trowel, are clearly emblematic of Freemasonry.

The piece of soft white limestone found under the polished cube has been regarded as a symbol of purity, and as having been placed in the center of the eighteen pieces forming the lower step to designate the word of the eighteenth degree.


Most Worshipful Jesse B. Anthony, Grand Master of Masons in the State of New York, presided as the cornerstone for the obelisk was laid in place with full Masonic ceremony on October 2, 1880. Over nine thousand Masons paraded up Fifth Avenue from 14th Street to 82nd Street and it was estimated that over fifty thousand spectators lined the parade route.

To commemorate that historic event, the Grand Lodge of New York under the leadership of Most Worshipful Bruce Widger, then Grand Master of Masons in the State of New York restaged the historic ceremony on October 5, 1980. It was a ceremony of proportions fitting to this historic event. Entertainment was provided by bands from the New York State Maritime Academy in Fort Schuyler, Bronx, NY, the Emerald Society Pipe Band and from the Kismet Shrine Band. The award winning drill team of the Knights Templar put on a precision display of their expert marching maneuvers and the Masonic War Veterans presented the colors with dignity and grace. The invocation was presented by my old friend, R\W\ Daniel Fleming of Kismet Shrine Temple. M\W\ Charles W. Froessel, Honorary Chairman provided a warm and moving opening address. Remarks were presented by W\Eugene F. Haug of Anglo Saxon Lodge No.137.

The highlight of the ceremony was the cornerstone reenactment and address by Most Worshipful & Dr. Bruce Widger, Grand Master of Masons in the State of New York. At the conclusion of his address, he warmly thanked all of the participants for their part in the ceremony - the National Red Cross Emergency Disaster Team, the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation, the New York City Police Department, the Grand Lodge Staff Officers and others who are mentioned above.

The benediction was presented by R\W\ Louis C. Gerstein.

Now explain to me again how that isn't masonic?

Edit:
That isn't the only obelisk that has been erected with all the Masonic Pomp and Circumstance mind you, to go around erecting them with ceremonies all the time like that's quite odd for a symbol they don't use or acknowlege. Don't you think?

[edit on 21-1-2008 by twitchy]


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 06:17 PM by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by twitchy



I am well aware of the efforts of those who particpated in the logistics of the obelisk's transportation from Egypt to the United States and the Masonic ceremony that accompanied its re-erection. However, the obelisk itself is not Masonic no matter what traits anyone wishes to ascribe to its form. It was constructed by a society that predated masonry by millenia. I am not of the opinion that Masonry can trace its roots to the Templars let alone ancient Egyptian buliders. It would be a fantastic hallmark if true, but there is no evidence that I have seen that lends any credibilty to this line of reasoning.


[edit on 21-1-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 07:42 PM by AugustusMasonicus
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It is a bit disengenious to select the cairn that looks least like the Trinity Memorial.

Cairn

Cairn 2

Cairn 3


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 07:45 PM by RWPBR
reply to post by twitchy



Yes a Cairn www.adirondackjourney.com...

Anyone who has ever hiked the AT knows what it is...not that the truth matters eh ?



reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 08:08 PM by twitchy
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
It is a bit disengenious to select the cairn that looks least like the Trinity Memorial.

It's also equally disengenious to claim it is a Cairn, when the Media, the public, and even
Uncle Samcall it an obelisk. If you find anything official that refers to it as a Cairn I'd like to see it. Can we at least agree it's an obelisk before you guys try to disassociate freemasonry from it?


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 09:11 PM by mmmeat
Originally posted by twitchy
It's also equally disengenious to claim it is a Cairn, when the Media, the public, and even
Uncle Samcall it an obelisk. If you find anything official that refers to it as a Cairn I'd like to see it. Can we at least agree it's an obelisk before you guys try to disassociate freemasonry from it?

It's no more disingenuous to call the historical monument a cairn than it is to claim that it has anything at all to do with Masonry.

If you can find anything official that refers to it as a Masonic monument, I'd like to see that.

I disagree that it's an obelisk, and that it has anything at all to do with Freemasonry.

your pal,
Meat.

[edit on 21-1-2008 by mmmeat]


reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 09:23 PM by intrepid
OK, did a little research.

Originally posted by twitchy
A Cairn?




Actually that's an Inukshuk.

To the Trinity memorial, I'd have to go with cairn. Obelisks are much narrower. Cairns aren't.
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