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reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 10:36 PM by IvanZana
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Rumour has it that after the 1993 wtc bombing the building was then wired fot demolition incase it happened again the building wouldnt fall over 4
city blocks.
Would be shrewd, no?
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reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 11:15 PM by Griff
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Originally posted by SilverSmith
There is nothing to compare it to unless we construct an identical tower, take the same plane, same fuel, same amount of passengers, same type of
weather, humidity, etc. and fly the darn thing into the building at the same speed and angle then sit back and watch it burn.
Funny how you use this as a gauge. Yet we saw 2....are you listening....2 different buldings (yes different because of WTC 1's antennae and also
the height of both were different) being hit with different planes, different fuel, different passengers, different speed, and different angle but yet
falling in practically the same way. No offense, but maybe you should rethink those statements.
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reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 11:33 PM by QuasiShaman
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Refuting CD?
By Mark Roberts
This video is about how obviously wrong the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are that WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7 were destroyed ... all » by explosive
demolition, about how they resort to lying to try to cling to their fantasies, and about how they posit the use of exotic sci-fi weapons while
criticizing others who do the same.
Includes discussion of claims by conspiracists Steven Jones and members of his Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Richard Gage and members of his
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery and Loose Change, Jim Hoffman, "9/11 Mysteries," Jim Fetzer, Kevin Ryan, and
others.
Issues discussed include controlled demolition, blast effects, cutter charges, potential energy of towers, audio fakery and deception, severity of
fires, the expected collapse of WTC 7, "pyroclastic flows," and the dust clouds produced by the collapses.
Comments are presented by expert structural engineers and WTC investigators Gene Corley, Matthys Levy, Leslie Robertson, Irwin Cantor, and by FDNY
Chief Daniel Nigro.
Work and calculations by Zdenek Bazant, Frank Greening, Ryan Mackey and others is cited.
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reply posted on 17-1-2008 @ 11:46 PM by weedwhacker
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Beautiful find, Shaman!!
A star from me...someone give this person some applause!!
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 12:00 AM by SilverSmith
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Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by SilverSmith
There is nothing to compare it to unless we construct an identical tower, take the same plane, same fuel, same amount of passengers, same type of
weather, humidity, etc. and fly the darn thing into the building at the same speed and angle then sit back and watch it burn.
Funny how you use this as a gauge. Yet we saw 2....are you listening....2 different buldings (yes different because of WTC 1's antennae and also
the height of both were different) being hit with different planes, different fuel, different passengers, different speed, and different angle but yet
falling in practically the same way. No offense, but maybe you should rethink those statements.
No, I'm not "listening" but I am "reading", thank you.
You've also helped my point by pointing out that even when some items vary, which would mainly be where the buildings were hit by the planes, they
fall in the same manner. Thus this makes a case for my earlier statements about the enormous efforts that must be put forth for just ONE building
being imploded, now add one more building into the mix. How did they know exactly where the planes would hit in each building so as to plant the
charges? As I said earlier, even in all that pulverizing there would be some remains of charges that did not get set off because they would be on
floors above where ground zero was. Again, Bush is some genius to be able to pull this off, would you not agree? I mean all these years and not one
person comes forth or provides some sort of Email, document or recorded conversation that even hints at our government being behind this all??
Think about the extreme difficulty in setting up just one building that large for a demo, the inner structures that would have to be weakened, beams
cut with a torch, and at least 5000 pounds of explosives planted in strategic places. Now this would be a task for one building but two? And then
possibly a third? Come on.
From the videos I have seen of implosions I see them blast from the bottom and then blasts in the middle sections. What I see in the WTC video is it
falling from the point of impact and then crashing down.
There is no physical evidence that charges were placed in the towers and then set off which then brought them down. If there was then it would have
been brought forth a long time ago.
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 12:45 AM by weedwhacker
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Bravo, SilverSmith.
NO detonations seen nor heard...the collapses were due to gravity, plain and simple.
Again, I have seen the videos of buildings being brought down by controlled demolition (CD) and it looks NOTHING like the videos we see of the two
Towers.
I have said it before, I will repeat now...people who advocate an 'inside job' "theory" want to sell books. It is despicable, especially as it
dishonors the victims, and their families...
Make no mistake here, I am not an apologist, nor will I EVER be, for the current administration in the USA. War criminals they are (IMO) but not to
the extent of promulgating such a heinous act...their sin was in USING this horrible event to promote an agenda and wrest power from the People, or at
least, try to. Our Constitution is not 'just a piece of paper' as the current President has said -- it is the basis of our Democracy. Never forget
that...
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 01:28 AM by OrionStars
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That is because the highest probality is the twin towers were brought down by DEW. No wiring. No TNT. No C-4. That does not apply to WTC 7 where
TNT was most defintely used.
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 01:35 AM by weedwhacker
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Thank you, Orion
Please now provide conclusive evidence to support your assertion that TNT was 'definately' used in WTC 7. We await with baited breath......
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reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 04:49 AM by gottago
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by QuasiShaman
Beautiful find, Shaman!!
A star from me...someone give this person some applause!!
Why, exactly, should anyone give him a star--or a pony for that matter--for posting a video that has already been the subject of
a nine-page thread?
If you'd take the time to watch the video and read through that thread, you'd find that this video was severely criticized for choosing to present
its debunking arguments like 9/11 was a box of chocolates--what didn't fit its contentions was simply ignored.
So no--no stars, no applause, no popping champagne corks.
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 09:40 PM by Patriotism not Fascism
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To Reality Hurts. We need to discuse things on another formate.
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:09 PM by weedwhacker
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Well, gottago, I think it was good to post that video again because many of us had never seen the earlier 'nine-page thread'. BTW,
SlightlyAbovePar's last post seemed to sum it up nicely...
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:14 PM by IvanZana
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Here is more proof.
I ignore most posts because the contribute very little to the thread
Booom!
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:20 PM by weedwhacker
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Hello,
Interesting...no time reference provided. Only two 'booms'...they sounded very similar, actually to sonic booms. If you've ever heard one, you
would remember that it is a double boom sound...with almost that same timing. I daresay the military was not worried about going supersonic over land
on that day...
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 10:47 PM by IvanZana
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Hey weedhacker , Nobody here is buying your imaginitave interpretations.
You troll these 911 forums at ATS and target these threads and attempt to obscure them with your fantastic , unbacked, uncorroberated, unrealistic
claims in hopes that you can bait people in an argument about off topic nonsense and bury important information.
I'll take eyewitness and victim statements that were in the basement way before ever taking some pseudo-pilot/scientist/army/medic/engineer's
fantastic theories like yours Weedhacker.
Watch this video. I guess jet planes were flyin' supersonic through the basement eh weed?
[edit on 20-1-2008 by IvanZana]
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 11:16 PM by weedwhacker
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Ivan, you see the difference? I do not resort to sarcasm...your use, intentionally or not, of misspelling my nickname and calling me a
'pseudo-pilot' points out your great skills at spelling and puns...not to mention, again, a vague reference to 'sonic booms' in the
basement...even YT link you provide contradicts itself, when you listen and watch carefully.
But, I think your most egregious insult is to call me a 'troller' on ATS. NO! That is not why I am here...when I see a subject that is of interest
to me, and I see 'facts' that defy logic being presented without any basis to back them up...it is only right that I can express MY view, my
opinion, using MY life experience as a foundation. IN fact, many others have posted, I think very politely on your thread. It is a discussion, with
opposing points of views, that unfortunately gets so wrapped up in the minutiae that the tragedy of that day gets lost. The HUMAN tragedy...
CD...holograms...conflicting, yes conflicting eyewitness reports (always happens)...video evidence that is ignored to support this theory or that
theory...books written...sorry. People died. THAT is what gets lost in all this pointless arguing.
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 11:27 PM by IvanZana
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reply posted on 20-1-2008 @ 11:44 PM by ANOK
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Before you de-bunkers start patting yourselves on the backs you first have to prove how a gravity driven collapse ignored the forces of friction?
Friction is the resistive force acting between bodies that tends to oppose and damp out motion. Friction is usually distinguished as being either
static friction (the frictional force opposing placing a body at rest into motion) and kinetic friction (the frictional force tending to slow a body
in motion). In general, static friction is greater than kinetic friction.
The force due to kinetic friction is generally proportional to the applied force, so "a coefficient of kinetic fiction" is defined as the ratio of
frictional force to the normal force on the body.
The study of friction is called tribology.
Source
No matter if you can't see or hear 'explosives', it still doesn't change the fact that buildings don't globally collapse from gravity alone.
That's just a rediculase assertion that goes against all know physics. All 3 buildings fell with no sign of slowing down from resistance due to
friction. The actual collapse times are irrelevant. Neither of the buildings should have globally collapsed, period. It has NEVER happened before,
doesn't that tell you physics challenged folks something?
NIST hasn't explained it. How do you explain it?
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reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 07:32 PM by Reality Hurts
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Now theres a man with an open mind  Right down to the anti-capitalist signature  No bias there...
Seriously though, we need less bias and preconceived notions, and more realistic and critical thinking. Unfortunately, most people wouldn't allow
facts to change their opinions, they're angry and they just want to be right *shakes fist*. Truly a shame.
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reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 11:02 PM by airborne27203
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weve all seen this footage but i still believe it was a controlled demolition, some footage is hard to find but at the base after the towers have
collapsed the supprt beams were cut at 45 degree angles mean : controlled demolition, if it were only one beam it would pass but ALL OF THEM cmon its
pretty obvious, and u can argue whether the widows were squibs or pressure, but in a controlled demo the point isnt to just demolish the building but
control where it goes and the 45 degree lacerations in all situations is so the building will just slide off of its support and let the aftermath be
where the demolitioner wants it to be
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reply posted on 21-1-2008 @ 11:20 PM by talisman
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At the end of the day, you have to admit that the collapses look very strange. To me, it looks as if the building is being blown out at the *CORE* all
the way through.
The building is exploding outward, and its turning to dust.
In the case of WTC-2 someone has to offer some kind of coherent way of looking at how the Top of the Building just came off and stopped rotating and
just proceeded to dust, as well as what might of been happening at the CORE at that time.
I mentioned *COLLAPSE* at the beginning but really, it doesn't even look like a collapse, it looks more like an explosive ejection of the buildings
all the way down.
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