The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla, page 7
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reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 11:06 AM by Palasheea
Originally posted by LogicalThinker
Escamilla, you had a bit of momentum after 'greatest story ever denied', but in the eager pursuit of going after the the smokin' gun - you fell victim of apparent charlatans. If you don't do a complete check of facts (before releasing the film) in order to authenticate the films validity, you really only have yourself to fault.


I agree. This man Lenard does not give us any information at all in terms of those important details and techniques that he used when capturing those images or even their coordinates at the time when those images were recorded -- plus a lot of other information too that only people like Donoso would be inquiring about.

That a documentary maker went ahead anyway and presented this information to the public when he's even telling us that he himself wants more information in order to qualify them as the genuine article just doesn't click with me.

I'm just saying, wouldn't it have been better to wait for Lenard to finally come forward and show his techniques at least in a video so that others out there could try it out for themselves to corroborate his results with theirs to confirm them?

I would think that if Lenard is telling the truth, he would welcome others to try out his techniques also if only to confirm the veracity of those images he's been showing all over the internet! But he's not doing that at all and this to me is sending up a whole football field of red flags.




[edit on 16-12-2007 by Palasheea]


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 11:10 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by Palasheea



Ok Palasheea, I've gone through Donoso's post. I agree to some extent, but then it's not a proved fake or hoax just yet. We are concentrating more on the apparatus that was used for those images. Fine. We should. But I think we're missing the wood for the trees here.

What struck me at first sight were the coincidences in this issue. Unknown space craft photographed, the delay in the shuttle rendezvous with the ISS and Boylan’s claims about secret black projects craft frequenting space.

As per John Lear,

Couldn't help but notice that it took over 2 days for the Space Shuttle to dock with the ISS after launch from Kennedy at 6:36 PM EDT, Wednesday August 8.

Also couldn’t help but notice it’s going to take about 52 hours and 36 minutes after undocking with the ISS until it lands. The official NASA undocking time was 7:56 AM EDT today Sunday and official first landing time is 12:32 PM EDT on Tuesday.

Now I am sure NASA has a very good excuse for this delay. I am sure that there is a lot of preparation and checklists to do but 52 hours worth?

And what about the checklists and preparation for docking? Why would it take over 2 days to get docked in the first place? They just took off! They're not ready?

Like I say, I am sure that NASA has a very good excuse for this delay but I am too lazy to call the public information officer so I’ll cut to my conspiracy if you don’t mind.

I believe that the Shuttle goes directly to the Secret Space Station (that John Lenard had pictures of) directly after launch from Kennedy. At the Secret Space Station, some cargo is off loaded and it is possible that other cargo is on loaded to go to the ISS.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



We must also be aware that Cape Canaveral is not the only space port for outer space excursions. The maps below clearly show the other launch sites being used under the guise of ‘missile’ launch sites. I wonder how much anyone knows as to what these sites are being used for! Cape Canaveral is probably just a cover for black project activities being conducted secretly from these other launch sites.






Courtesy: Space Today Online

According to Dr Richard Boylan, Ph.D, black projects like the Lockheed Skunk Works, Boeing’s Phantom Works, Northrop and others are engaged in producing and in fact have operational craft that frequent outer space, for purposes that are unknown. He says:

Because the existence and operations of various undeclared or secret government installations related to Star Visitor matters are not going to be plumbed without field research, I made it my task, starting in 1992, to reconnoiter, observe, and in some instances penetrate many of the most important of these installations. I reasoned that the knowledge I gained could be very helpful to the experiencers who consult with me, to help them feel secure that they had not hallucinated, but that such advanced technology exists, and in fact, the American government is in possession of some of this technology.
www.drboylan.com...


So, putting all this together, I have a lurking suspicion that there is more going on out there in space than we would ever get to know. And that these objects which Zorgon has shown very comprehensively on his web site The Living Moon are black project spacecraft/stations photographed by John Lenard which are being frequented by craft such as the TAW-50, Aurora, X-33A and others, most of them apparently with back engineered alien technology!

The bottom line is: This most likely is true! Or does one for a moment believe that black projects, in spite of spending billions of dollars mostly from the narcotics trade (Oh well, that’s another story!) and 60 years on, have just been making paper planes all these years?? No! There’s more going on out there in space than we can ever imagine!

Cheers!



[edit on 16-12-2007 by mikesingh]


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 11:24 AM by redoubt
Regardless of whether or not you are religious, there is an old Biblical maxim that holds true in most any company: ‘Judge a tree by the fruit it bears.’

Mr. Escamilla, I once came within a single click of buying ‘Interstellar’. Since then, I have often wondered whether my decision was correct because in this realm, truth is as fleeting as fortune. Most of us understand that the real deal is sometimes slandered as hoax… and conversely, the hoax is built to look like a major truth.

You take the chance of being led down a rabbit hole every single time you read an article or scrutinize a picture. There’s no avoiding it, it’s part of the landscape of the hidden and unknown.

Most of us would have no problem believing that the government (ours or any other life form’s) might have secret objects in Earth orbit. In fact, I personally would be surprised if there were not any of those things! I trust my government to deceive me and to obfuscate the truth of what technology they hold and what our current space capabilities are. I fully expect to be lied to when I ask about what might be up there in orbit or, closer to home, flying around in the sky. If they said anything BUT that it was swamp gas or temperature inversions, I might be inclined to sh*t and fall back in it!

So please do understand that ‘trust’ is a commodity rarely handed out cheaply, if even at all. Speaking for myself, I only trust what I KNOW to be true, and suspect all else to be at least a partial lie.

But on the upside, the doors are always wide open here. There is no shortage of evidence to study, no lack of companionship and certainly a bright future for more of the same. This is a wonderful land that is part reality, part fantasy and forever a challenge to comprehend.

Please, don’t feel as if doubt is your enemy. To the contrary, doubt is your friend because in the end, it will be the truth that withstands this acid test. The truth, whatever that may be, will be the last fruit on the last tree standing upon this land.

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reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:09 PM by Springer
reply to post by h3akalee



Nah no warning, I tend to agree with you at this point. Hopefully they will do just that.

Springer...


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:18 PM by Stari
reply to post by Springer



Springer, isn't there a way for you to check and see if GridKeeper and John Walson are indeed the same person? Do you have access to users IP address's when they log on here?

I was just wondering if we can put this issue to rest today.

Thanks
Stari


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:25 PM by paul76
reply to post by Stari



Checking the Ip address wouldn't prove anything. I have access to many computers and so do many people.


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:28 PM by Stari
reply to post by paul76



Ok, that makes me feel really good

Isn't there any other way to validate who these two people (if indeed they are two seperate people) are?

Stari


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:30 PM by Stari
reply to post by zorgon



I guess this tells us all what we want to know then. Too bad, I really wanted this to be true.


reply posted on 16-12-2007 @ 01:42 PM by paul76
Originally posted by Stari
reply to
post by zorgon



I guess this tells us all what we want to know then. Too bad, I really wanted this to be true.


Gridkeeper is indeed logged into ATS right this second.

Now he's logged off without even a little hello.



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