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The Interstellar Case Files: by Jose Escamilla

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posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:23 PM

Originally posted by NGC2736
What's wrong with putting the videos up here on ATS? I would almost bet that it could be arranged free of charge. This is the number one site for that type of material to be seen. Why wait?

Aren't all the F.A.S.T. videos up at anyway?

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Jose Escamilla

My first action in bringing "everything to light" is this challenge:

1). John Lenard Walson, I want you to reveal the (alleged) apparatus construction, so that we as interested researchers and investigators can have access to the 'very same' objects you are claiming to be real star ships orbiting earth. If indeed this is not a hoax, then you have nothing to hide right? Gridkeeper, this goes for you too! You seem to be acting all true blue with all the right motives. Well here you are your chance to really shine!

Hi Jose, I do think that you are honest and sincere in this matter but something bothers me. Two months ago you gave the impression that you did know about the workings of this apparatus in a reply on You Tube.
I quote:
" Regarding the mysterious apparatus. I am looking to get this made available worldwide as soon as it's perfected for manufacturing. Making one or two prototypes is easy 'sort of' but getting the same device made for mass distribution is another story. You have to deal with die cast molds, etc. and this can get costly. So we're ironing out the bumps in the road. The other alternative is to put out the plans to build it yourself. "

From this reply I got the impression that you had seen the device or at least a blueprint of it. Is there anything wrong with my reasoning ?

Best regards,


posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:28 PM
reply to post by NGC2736

I don't want to post videos. I want to get the apparatus in the hands of the public along with all coordinates to corroborate Lenard's claims. If more and more people can see them, then Lenard should realize he will make those "millions" he's always claimed this is worth. The reason I started this thread is because he has openly accused me on ATS and other forums as ripping him off and in setting the record straight I had no alternative but to call him on the contract he signed with me, to deliver what he promised in writing.

If he doesn't want to release the apparatus, okay, give us some coordinates. Independent verification is worth more than the original piece of film that started it all.

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:29 PM
reply to post by Jose Escamilla

Thank you Jose I appreciate your response.

I look forward to any contribution from JLW and or gridkeeper.

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:30 PM
Thing that I've always wondered about in this sort of matter is National disclosure. Not disclosure by the States, or Russia or China. I mean, If the States know about it, then so do the other larger space oriented countries. Thats a given.
Take the dynamic duo, Ahmadinejad and Chavez. Well, maybe not those two in particular, lol, but leaders like them. Hot heads with nothing to lose. Ghaddafi (spll) and the like. Surely even countries that don't have visible space programs must, in some way, be privy to what the Sam Hell goes on "up there"
Why not stand up in the United Nations, you know, just to be Jerky, and say "The Devil not only stood here
but his devil friends from outer space are present too! I saw it! (Insert Chavez accent) They (the evil ones) know all about the invasion force!! Believe what I say My brothers and sisters!
Having ufo secrecy ratcheted up in the west here seems perfectly normal, but for other countries that are just now reaching into space, what's the point of secrecy? $^&% the status quo!
For that reason I am a bit skeptical about the whole thing.
I mean, why is this the guy (John) who's gonna open our eyes? Why arn't any smaller countries with vastly better optic equiptment not on the leading edge of this?
Forget about countries, what about companies? Firms? It just (at this point) doesnt make sense.
-but i digress

[edit on 15-12-2007 by radaghast5]

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:32 PM
reply to post by GreenRobot

The more days that pass by without hearing from Lenard or Gridkeeper in this thread, the more I will be inclined on uploading information pertaining to the Interstellar Case Files.

Before I go forth and present all the case files, I want to see if they come clean here as they should. They kept throwing the stones at me over and over again. Today I decided to call them on their shots. The ball is in their court and I am not going away any time soon.

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:36 PM
reply to post by radaghast5

This is why I decided to start this thread. I already did my part in bringing this into the mainstream of the world of UFOs. Lenard needs to come forth and deliver what he agreed to when he signed the contract. I am just waiting to see if they come here and say anything at all. Looks like Lenard and Gridkeeper are MIAs in our neck of the woods for the moment.

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:44 PM
Calm before the storm I'd imagine. Expect a fourty seven paragraph novel to be posted shortly I'm sure
Either way maybe best bet will be to speed read through it. If you (we) see any sign of commitment regarding equiptment and technique then great
If it's a flame with nothing to help us then well, hmmm, guess it will make for entertaining reading

You know I want to tell you all about how this is done but you've been bad people. Said some bad things. The world isn't ready for this because of your beastly persistance and unhealthy questioning manner

* Maybe It's a little soon for me to take sides in this complicated matter, as I am an admitted noob, not only to this subject, but this forum.

-It just seems as though this "Jose" fellas
intentions are genuine enough, right from the get go. Says what he wants in a classy manner
and seems willing enough to subject himself to the masses on this forum.

[edit on 15-12-2007 by radaghast5]

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:52 PM
reply to post by omnigrail

Good question. Lenard in many phone conversations slipped information to me about the apparatus. At the time of that posting you referenced, he and I were still under our contract, he was my partner, and in protecting his and my agreement, there was no reason for me divulge any trade secrets pertaining to the device. Besides, I was producing the films, and promoting the project, Lenards job would be to get the apparatus built, scope and cams allocated to his specs, and then I would assist in getting the device prototype made, tested and providing it could work on practically any type of scope optics system, get it mass produced and marketed through astronomy stores, web sites worldwide, etc.

That was my plan. Then Lenard started this story about agents and all that, (see page one), and this is now where we are. At the impasse!

From my point of view in what Lenard said, the apparatus is so simple a third grader could build it. Right now I can't release this information, because even though Lenard has breached our signed contract, I have to adhere to my contract with "him" and I cannot circumvent the agreement I made with him.

Even though he has broken all trust and contractual agreements with me, I cannot break the agreement. That would deem this thread useless for in doing so I would be just as dishonest as he has been.

I am giving Lenard and Gridkeeper a couple days to come here and let's see what develops.

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:52 PM
*******please all!!do not distract from this topic. this is in regards to the huge objects purported to be in orbit around our blue planet!!!!!!
i, like everyone, would like to get to the bottom of it. omg if they are actually there!

(jose, please feel free to [validly and directly] respond to any questions ONCE, and then move on. secondly, maybe in regards to rods thread, create it and let everyone know it will be responded to after history channel special. am mystified at the one's shooting out of the ground, or flying through the water!! ['i' personally believe there is far more to it than meets the eye]. will wait till have seen the show and discuss then, in detail, and in the right bloody thread!)*****

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 08:57 PM
reply to post by livo74

Yes I agree. I am setting up the thread it will be called Roswell Rods. All those that attend it, please give me some breathing room as I am on a very tight schedule and my most important thread at the moment is this one. Let's stay on track here.

Thank you!

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:00 PM
well, this has certainly been interesting.

i shall return.....Ola Jose!!!

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:04 PM
" most important thread at the moment is this one. Let's stay on track here..."

on track, and eagerly awaiting all developements!!!
will now wait for response from gridkeeper.

cheers jose!

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:24 PM

Originally posted by radaghast5
Would love to see that MIB altercation that Jose refers to in the starting post

One would think that this would be the time for John to show his cards.

Hey give the guy a break... this thread was only started today... I mean has anyone other than myself (and I am assuming Jose) wriitten to John Lenard and told him about the challenge?

Or Gridkeeper for that matter? (Though he IS here at ATS)... but one doesn't always see everything that goes on here... perhaps a U2U to invite him in here?

Just a thought...

It is also interesting to observe how many new members jumped right in here
News spreads quickly it would seem

Yup this will get good...

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:25 PM
I have created my Roswell Rods thread:

I will try an answer as many as I can.


posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:26 PM
Back on track now with this thread.

Jose Escamilla

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:36 PM
To all here. I made some comments in another thread causing me these two warnings. I am going to be cool and collected and not let anyone get me irritated anymore. I am new here and I apologize for misconduct on my part. I have learned very quickly what to say and what not to say. I will be cool from here on.


posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:43 PM
reply to post by zorgon

While i am essentially a nobody in the big picture of the ufologist scene i think i am on the side of a semi well educated nobody.
I did take a couple of minutes to email Santa monica john... I used the hotmail address, though so i'm not really sure if its the right one. If it is though i havnt got a reply today and i wrote the e-mail at about noonish central standard.

I've gained a lot of info from you zorgon, and will keep your posts in all regards to all subjects close at hand. I'm also calling it a night, so i hope to see something in the morning!!! Thanks again for the info tonight Jose!!!

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:48 PM
reply to post by Jose Escamilla

My bad. I had assumed that there was something more substantial to all of this than some fuzzy pictures with no contrasting objects for scale. No details of when or how to duplicate the process. I thought that before you went into a partnership with someone you would have had more to go on.

I too want disclosure/proof of some sort, but if this is the total of what you have to present, aside from a disagreement with your "ex-partner", then there doesn't seem to be much meat here. Just another internet soap opera.

Now you're here to do a "High Noon" scene with your nemesis, but take the moral high road as regards giving out information that might be of value to others interested in finding the truth.

Sorry, but if this is all you have to offer, I am forced to think you and your supposed ex-partner cooked this one up as a way to get some free publicity. Nothing makes the front page like a cat fight.

We used to call girls that acted that way a tease, and it wasn't meant in a good way.

posted on Dec, 15 2007 @ 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Jose Escamilla
...I kept ALL your emails! I will post them on "your other thread." Not here.

You really should read the T&C.

2f.) Private Messages: You will not use the private messaging system (U2U) to send mass messages to multiple member accounts. All private messages are subject to these terms and conditions, violations will result in immediate account termination. You also agree that "U2Us" (Private Messages) are confidential. You will not post or publically display U2Us received from ATS staff or other members, in any way, without the written permission of the author.

That includes emails.

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