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Jesus can have a temper too. He was ticked off when he saw the money changers in the temple. He flipped their tables over. Jesus was pretty good at controlling his temper, when he was in the right to lash out.
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by LDragonFire
The Son becomes the Father. So in a sense being the Son is not being the Father at the same time. It's one at a time of those seperate titles.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Originally posted by Mabus
reply to post by LDragonFire
The Son becomes the Father. So in a sense being the Son is not being the Father at the same time. It's one at a time of those seperate titles.
So while Jesus was on Earth he prayed to the Father, but later Jesus became the Father?
Originally posted by Hydroman
Why is it that God sent a flood anyways? Those who found something to float on may have suffered for hours/days. Why not just disintegrate everyone/thing so that no one has to suffer?
Why is it that it seems like God wants people to suffer and be tortured? Just like the plagues in Egypt he sent so that his people could be free. Why not just obliterate the Egyptians like he did Sodom and Gomorah?
Or like the lake of fire where people will be burned forever and can't die. What's the point in that? Why not just wipe them from existence? Why make them suffer forever? It's mind boggling to me that God would do that. Sure, he gives us a choice to make, but if we make the wrong one, it's punishment FOREVER. Again, what's the point in it?
Originally posted by miriam0566
besides, you are assuming the flood was gradual. have you ever seen flash floods?
Originally posted by miriam0566it wasnt about obliterating them, it was about freeing his people. the people of egypt suffered because of pharaoh, the man they worshiped as god.
remember each time moses returned to repeat the requested and each time he was turned down
Originally posted by miriam0566
actually you are 100% right. lake of fire is not a place of torture but instead a place of everlasting destruction. i posted a few threads that touch on the false doctrine of hellfire
I would like to see where it says that Angels protected them. I don't remember that, but it's interesting. When it talks about the firmament, isn't that the sky? Doesn't it come out of the firmament now when it rains? The Bible says it rained for 40 days and 40 nights.
Originally posted by jmdewey60Genesis says that water came up from underground and also out of the firmament. So, there was a sudden rise in water level and then there were great waves that swept around the world because there was no land mass to counter them. God had angels protecting the ark, so it was not just the fact that they were in a boat that allowed them to survive.
Anyone not in the ark would have been killed rather quickly.
Originally posted by Hydroman
It says the doors were closed by the angels, once the ark was full. You have to assume that they maintained the integrity of the craft, throughout the ordeal.
I would like to see where it says that Angels protected them. I don't remember that, but it's interesting. When it talks about the firmament, isn't that the sky? Doesn't it come out of the firmament now when it rains? The Bible says it rained for 40 days and 40 nights.
One theory is that there existed a firmament that was above the atmosphere, made of water, and that it collapsed at the flood.
Originally posted by lostinspace
reply to post by jmdewey60
"Fountains of the great deep broken up", implies tsunamis. This in turn suggests the cause of the tsunamis: asteroid impacts. Then one would wonder where the asteroids came from. I propose the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. How would the asteroids propel themselves from the asteroid belt? My bet would be that the asteroid belt was once a planet and that it was destroyed to get the asteroids to earth.
The gravitational pull of the large planet kept the upper waters suspended and when it was destroyed the canopy colapsed. Ever notice how the high and low tides of the oceans are controlled by the moon's position? Water is attracted to its gravitational forces.
I liken the Red sun of Kalel's home world to this lost planet and Krypton as relating to Earth. The earth survived but at great cost.
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Krypton (pronounced /ˈkrɪptən/ or /ˈkrɪptɒn/; from Greek: kryptos "hidden") Just like a Volcano....Hidden....Peace
Originally posted by Hydroman
I thought it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. That seems like it would be a gradual raise in the flood waters. Sure, some places might experience flash flooding, but not all.
I understand that. But you still seem to miss the point about God making people suffer. If he is ALL powerful, why not pick his people up out of Egypt and place them where he wants them instead of going through all the trouble of killing/torturing the egyptians? Or better yet, why not keep them from being held captive to begin with?
This is your opinion. Do you know how many theories there are about this, from theologians to Priests, to all kinds of educated people? And each one of them can probably back up their claim using the Bible according to how THEY interpret it. You too intepret it a certain way, therefore you come to the conclusion that you are right and everyone else who thinks differently is wrong. And you can back it up, just like they can. It is so confusing to me. This is also how all the different christian denominations came about. Everyone interprets the Bible certain ways and develop certain beliefs according to their interpretation. Who's got the right interpretation? Anyone? And if so, how do you know you have the right one?