Many non Christians have the same problem because they do not understand the doctrine of the trinity

God is one God in 3 different forms
God the Father
God the Son
And God the Holy Spirit

God the father is supream
Jesus and the HS are subordinate to him according to Christian doctrine

In Scripture God call Jesus God
and in John we see---

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

now this veres explains why Christians think the Scriptures
are inspired notice the ''the word''

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth


anyway it helps to understand the doctrine

Many here do not sadly, but Its like anything the more they hear it
the more they will at least understand the doctrine explained correctly

no its not, its been explained
you reject it and thats your right but we explained it as scripture does
and that all we can do

many things do not make sense to men

In spirit the 3 are one, in the body Jesus came as a man.

On the topic of many gods, you will notice the bible speaks of gods as in things people worship.

So pick anything a person puts above the one true God, and that is what they worship, many people make gods out of money for example. Also many worship(therefore make it their god) demons that live in the lie.

So those worshiping other gods, were simply worshiping nonexistant gods for there is only one real God.

Daniel 5:23
but you have exalted yourself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines have been drinking wine from them; and you have praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which do not see, hear or understand But the God in whose hand are your life-breath and all your ways, you have not glorified

Notice here they even speak of man destroying their gods.

Isaiah 37:18"Truly, O LORD, the kings of Assyria have devastated all the countries and their lands, 19and have cast their gods into the fire, for they were not gods but the work of men's hands, wood and stone So they have destroyed them. 20"Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, LORD, are God."

This shows that the false gods, some worshipped, were not real. Notice that idols and the worshiping of false gods are interchangable.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;


This is what I believe, I do not know church doctrine on the subject.

Originally posted by agoodshot
many things do not make sense to men

so you're ADMITTING that it's nonsensical.
i caught you doing it, don't act like you didn't

if it doesn't make sense to men (and women i'll assume are included in this as well) then it doesn't make sense. we have no other standard of sense to look to.

People having problems with the Trinity? Never!?! It has only been a drviing force of schism for like... hundreds of years!

If you look at the development of early Christianity from the Nicean creed of the 4th C. and before, you'll note that many sects totally rejected the Trinity idea whilst the main branches of what we now know as Christianity have differing interpretations of it (primarily Catholic orthodox, Eastern and Coptic)... so it is hardly surprising that it is a knotty issue... but it's a bit silly seeing it as some major contradiction in the faith (aside from the fact that the Bible itself is full of them anyhoo)...

Not really earth shattering stuff...

Q

Not a christian or anything...

but that premise is deeply flawed for many reasons...

1. 'God' didn't write the Bible... how can it be perfect when Christians acknowledge that man is imperfect and that the Bible is gods word interpreted by man... ergo flawed

2. Catholic idolotry is no new criticism... there was this thing called the reformation...

3. 'Christendom' doesn't exist.. and I'm pretty sure that Islam is actually the most populous religion on Earth at the mo... just on sheer numbers and geography...

and a whole bunch of other stuff...

Q

Hi guys, I am afraid I dont have any constructive things to add to this thread, but I just wandered about this whole adam and eve thing. They had a couple of sons and then the earth was populated, does that mean they had sex with their mother?

There can only be one truth. In this matter one must first understand “trinity” and its concept is not nor ever has been from the bible but only the Whore of Babylon (the Vatican). The Whore re-wrote history to remove all Jewishness from the King of the Jews.
What I know to be true is the one and only God the creator of more than 270 worlds of light (Talmud) has left His Son “in charge of that place” (Earth). His Son does His Fathers will, without question. The Son honors His Father and will take no other action than is His Fathers will.
The Son is on His throne of Judgment and waits on a small harvest despite all the rain.
The Son took on the flesh in the normal way as stated in Isaiah, no long line of virgins as spouted by the Whore. He came to us to live as us to understand us and to give guidance as how we should live. He did this because we so disappoint His Father that His Father has busied Himself with the construction of a new world far down a newly added section of “vine” that connects all of His worlds and provides energy to Him. He did this because so few could pass the Heavenly Judgment. So he came to understand our weaknesses through experience as a Rabbi, a teacher of His chosen people. The Creator’s Son is the only way to the Father yet your point is true we should not forget to praise the Father in the highest because to honor Him is too also honor His Son, the Prince, Lion of Judah and Lord of Israel.

the trinity is just a re packaging of the pagan mysetery religion belief of

the father, the mother, and the child(future, path, growth) whatever

it is not in many of the original documents, it was put in there.

When you are an old goat herder living in the desert and you have no woman but become inspired to write a holy book after baking many lonely years in the harsh dry hot sun smoking crack hash, How accurate can writings be.

Or maybe you killed some one with a knock to the head in Egypt and wandered the desert for 40 years, than felt the guilt was to much so you write some divine bs down that gets others inspired to read and kill people who refuse your following and belief. By order of your fantasy chief.

Than your mysterious god makes all kinds of statements only you as the divine order, has privilege to know and understand.

Now 2000 years later people are so messed in the head reading this compilation of bs they actually believe something that has no evidence to prove itself as divine truth. No matter how poorly written, contradictory and loose ended.

Perhaps your god would like to comment.

Originally posted by agoodshot
Many non Christians have the same problem because they do not understand the doctrine of the trinity

God is one God in 3 different forms
God the Father
God the Son
And God the Holy Spirit

Sounds to me like its just a sneaky way of covering up polytheism.

Yeah, Christianity is a flawed excuse for an Abrahamic religion. I've said it before and I'll say it again.