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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
What about gravitational flux? The stories of ancient giants, and the sheer size of the large dinosaurs? There obviously has to have been gravitational flux on the whole in the planets history.
Originally posted by AncientVoid
Originally posted by Funkydung
i am a father
i am a son
i am a brother
im still one
Your not 'the' son of yourself are you?
Originally posted by Redge777
Y
well if i was a spirit that can create humans i would be able to create a body for myself to walk around in here on this planet...... i could create myself a human body and being the spirit that i am...enter in that flesh body..... so i could walk around and interact with my humankind creation....i guess i could call that body i created my son if i wanted to....
so the flesh isnt what is worshiped it is the spirit that was inside that is worshiped. if god wasnt in the flesh he would have been just another man. but this was the purpose jesus served....as a vessel for god... god entered into a human shell sorta speak and walked around with his creation. jesus absolutely was god in the flesh. god and jesus were one. the spirit of god meshed with the flesh....jesus had all of the power that god did because he was god in the flesh. he even rose from the dead just like he said he would. if he was god how did he die? the spirit left the flesh on the cross...this is why jesus said....father why did you forsake me...right before he died.....how did he come back to life?? god eased his way back into the lifeless body and as soon as he was back in...instant life.
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Funkydung]
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Funkydung]
Originally posted by Sparky63
Not all Chritians believe in the trinity. Many understand that it is a concept derived from Pagan religions and adopted some time after the death of the Apostles who, while alive, stood as a bullwark agianst the philosophies of men creeping into the congregation.
Jesus clearly stated that he was not equal; to the Father here;
John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Sparky63]
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Originally posted by Funkydung
i am a father
i am a son
i am a brother
im still one
Are you your own father, son, and brother? the same blood runs thru all of us.
Back on topic: One of the largest debate among the Catholic Church is if Jesus is God or if he was just a vessel for God's spirit. using God's spirit from inside of him.
im definatly not catholic...but jesus was god in the flesh.
Either way, it doesn't make sense when you take into accout that Jesus prayed to God. If he is God, did he pray to himself and why? Why would God pray to himself? If he was the vessel of God, does that mean Jesus talked to himself? If so, then when his followers prayed to God, did they face Jesus?
the man jesus prayed to the spirit. they knew he was the god in flesh and understood that god the spirit could be in jesus and heaven at the same time...they prayed to god the spirit that was both inside god and in heaven...no need to face a certain direction.
There are also passages in the Bible claiming the Father is in heaven. If the Father is in heaven and Jesus is God, then who were people supposed to pray to?
the spirit of god. the creator...who was right there next to them...
If Jesus is the word, and the word has always been with God, then wouldn't that mean that Jesus existed in heaven before coming to Earth, then after leaving Earth went back to heaven? If he went back to heaven, and he is God, then wouldn't that mean that both the son and father are in heaven side by side?
yes jesus definatly existed before time existed. he just came manifested into the flesh 2000 years ago. god manifesed in the flesh.
If he merely was a product of God's spirit, and was then combined back into God's spirit when he goes back to heaven, then it would fall in line with beliefs of Brahmin, or karma (our spirits returning to the original creator and combining with his).
sorta i guess. not sure on this one....
One should also take into account that Christianity teaches that Jesus will return. If he returns, will it be in human form, through another birth, or will it be spiritual?
it says he will return the way he left....he left going up into heavens physically ..probably return coming down from the heavens physically...but he wont be an infant.
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Funkydung]
[edit on 1-10-2007 by Funkydung]
Originally posted by Funkydung
the man jesus prayed to the spirit. they knew he was the god in flesh and understood that god the spirit could be in jesus and heaven at the same time...they prayed to god the spirit that was both inside god and in heaven...no need to face a certain direction.
Originally posted by AncientVoid
The point which screws up the whole thing. I thought no one can see god?
Originally posted by AncientVoid
Originally posted by Funkydung
the man jesus prayed to the spirit. they knew he was the god in flesh and understood that god the spirit could be in jesus and heaven at the same time...they prayed to god the spirit that was both inside god and in heaven...no need to face a certain direction.
Still doesn't explain why he prayed to himself...
Originally posted by AncientVoid
reply to post by Funkydung
I knew a lame answer like this would appear. God is god, no matter what form he takes. Didn't it state that man can't see god? Can't find the quote...
Originally posted by Funkydung
yep this was the flesh talking about the spirit that was inside of him....the spirit is greater than the flesh.
I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”
“‘God has put all things in subjection under his [Jesus’] feet.’ But when it says, ‘All things are put in subjection under him,’ it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.”
1 Pet. 1:3, RS: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!”
Originally posted by WorldShadow
reply to post by shearder
"Oh i am SURE he will comment when your time comes"
Your god can't speak for himself?.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Not all Chritians believe in the trinity. Many understand that it is a concept derived from Pagan religions and adopted some time after the death of the Apostles who, while alive, stood as a bullwark agianst the philosophies of men creeping into the congregation.
Jesus clearly stated that he was not equal; to the Father here;
John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”
Like i said before:
Do babies go to hell? Their only sin according to you guys, not believing. Also what about those people who live in thrid world countrys who never heard of Jesus? How can they believe?
How can you believe something you've never heard of?