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Originally posted by WorldShadow
When you are an old goat herder living in the desert and you have no woman but become inspired to write a holy book after baking many lonely years in the harsh dry hot sun smoking crack hash, How accurate can writings be.
Originally posted by WorldShadow
Or maybe you killed some one with a knock to the head in Egypt and wandered the desert for 40 years, than felt the guilt was to much so you write some divine bs down that gets others inspired to read and kill people who refuse your following and belief. By order of your fantasy chief.
Originally posted by WorldShadow
Now 2000 years later people are so messed in the head reading this compilation of bs they actually believe something that has no evidence to prove itself as divine truth. No matter how poorly written, contradictory and loose ended.
Originally posted by WorldShadow
Perhaps your god would like to comment.
2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
Originally posted by LDragonFire
I'm a Former Christian I once believed as you do now, but I was still empty and searching for something more. In your heart you know what I mean, even though you will not reveal this, this is why you have the urge to renew your faith every Sunday.
I believe humans are spiritual by nature, but I also believe All organized religions are false and have hindered humanities real spiritual growth.
I believe the New Age, [as the Christians have labeled them] you know the religions that were ancient long before the old testament are more real. It doesn't help the Bible that it has pagan DNA in it. You would think that God would be capable of having a Clearly Original thought about religious practices, and not just a copy of the old worldwide ways.
Originally posted by The time lord
Wirlwind - hope you saw my previous post I believe that is a valid answer as 2007 years ago I think they too asked why, it has not taken 2007 years to just notice this problem, the answer was always there anyway.
Its one spirit of God with different seperations like we are just one connection in the neuron of God's mind so so speak, that is how it sounds like.
Originally posted by benign.psychosis
JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44
"Ye are of your father the devil [Hadad, EL, Baal, Yehweh], and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "
Yehweh is another term used for Jesus Christ, this might be the first time I have seen it used in regards to the Devil.
reply to post by Comforter
Can you link me information of this, I thought Cain was Adam and Eves son.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Are Catholics worshipping idols Yes they do. This is a Direct violation of the second commandment.
Originally posted by whirlwind
Your link is the Bible. The serpent in the garden was Satan, not an actual snake. He, as the fallen angels at a later date (Gen.6), had the ability to impregnate humans.
Gen.3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.'"
Touch #5060 naga', to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem. to lie with a woman);......(snip)
It goes much farther than that but I'll give a condensed version:
Gen.4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Again bare is to continue in labor.....she had twins, of different fathers. Cain is not listed in the geneology of Adam.
So....when we read John 8:44, it has much more meaning than first thought:
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning , and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Who was a murderer and liar from the beginning? Cain.
If you are truly interested in this I can go into greater detail, just let me know.
..........Whirlwind
Originally posted by lee anoma
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Are Catholics worshipping idols Yes they do. This is a Direct violation of the second commandment.
I'm glad you mentioned this and I happen to agree it makes no sense.
Add Mary into the mix and things get even weirder. People bow, pray and worship the "holy mother" as if she herself were their God and to me that is a contradiction of biblical rules as well.
It makes as much sense as praying to Joseph as the "holy father".
Essentially though if you look back all of this was based on pagan deities and the ancient "savior archetypes" revisited. Looks like too many chefs in the kitchen to me.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by whirlwind
In a nutshell are you stating that the tree of knowledge in Genesis is actually Satan or the Devil??
John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”
Originally posted by agoodshot
Many non Christians have the same problem because they do not understand the doctrine of the trinity
“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
“Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
“Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
“The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.
Originally posted by Funkydung
i am a father
i am a son
i am a brother
im still one
Wow thats a leap, I have heard of the literal translation then the metaphoric translation and now we have the whirlwind translation
One should also take into account that Christianity teaches that Jesus will return. If he returns, will it be in human form, through another birth, or will it be spiritual?
Originally posted by whirlwind
When He returns it will be as when He left. He won't need to be born again.
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Originally posted by whirlwind
When He returns it will be as when He left. He won't need to be born again.
So if he ascended to heaven in human form and will return in human form, is that really considered a sacrifice of his body?