Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Wow Guinness or rockpuck! whats with the nasty stuff? Problems with the obligations?
By the way, whats with the square and compass on this forum? Why are Masons posting here anyway?
OK, I've stayed out of this so far, but I feel the time has come for me to drop my two pennies.
What the hell does Guinness Stout have to do with the obligations? I mean, I prefer a nice, cold Arrogant Bastard Ale, as the Guinness is a little too
thick for my taste, but I would never doubt a man as a Brother just because he drinks foamy tar in a glass (
), that's just silly.
You have really outed yourself with this post, in my opinion. For now, to me, you are an interloper, and someone who is trying to cast aspertions on
the Fraternity by posting this nonsense on ATS. Even if you weren't, I'm positive a real Mason would rather go through the proper channels (even
outside of this, there are many influential Masons who would stop at nothing to irradicate this kind of behavior who could be called upon for
counsel), or other Masonic
venues. I know that has been said several times in this thread but that's how I feel about it too. ATS is not the
place if this is for real. You want to talk about Charges?
What about when you were charged never to let your zeal for the Fraternity draw you
into an argument with those who would, through ignorance, ridicule it? You just set us all up for ridicule by posting this garbage, and I'm inclined
to believe that was the intention.
And as far as posting the problem not being "allowed" elsewhere? It is our DUTY as Masons to protect our institution, and "monkey business" of any
kind should not and will not be tolerated, and I can't imagine that if you went to a Masonic resource, such as T3P, you would be turned away, if what
you say is true.
The guys that run that board are REAL Masons, and I have no trouble imagining the kind of sh*tstorm they would bring if this was true and verified.
And if the Grand Lodge would do nothing (which I seriously doubt), then it would be taken up with them, and their recognition could be in jeopardy
over it. No Grand Lodge wants to be "irregular," which is exactly what would happen if it were to be shown that they were turning a blind eye, or
worse, condoning this behavior.
Internal business should be handled internally, period; unless the charges warrant the involvement of the authorities. Even then there would be a
process and it sure as hell wouldn't involve an online conspiracy discussion board in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
In answer to your original question, I took my obligations VERY seriously, and while I am not perfect, I try to live up to them to the best of my
ability. For someone to say "oh, they are just words" is offensive to me, but I am a firm believer in "to each his own," however -- to me, for
someone to say that means they are NOT a Mason, I don't care how many dues cards they have stacked up in their wallet.
Where is the first place you were prepared to be a Mason? These fellows (if they DO exist) apparently weren't.
Fort Worth Lodge #148. Master Mason since December 2005. Try me.
If you want to discuss this in private, via u2u or email, I may be willing to reconsider my opinion; but as of now I think we've got ourselves a
[edit on 11/19/07 by The Axeman]