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posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 02:00 PM
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Reading over this my blood pressure spiked!

I try not to get involved in issues or threads about the Brotherhood, but this seems like drastic measures need to be taken. Those men swore an oath, if the ritual was nothing more than just words to them, then their word is worthless, and they should be expelled.

I am digusted and ashamed such activites would take place in any lodge, especially one that is on the books. Where was the Tyler in all this bs. His duties extend to more than keeping off cowans and eavesdroppers. Any conduct such as that, and having been a Tyler myself in my lodge, those brothers would have been escorted out by my blade, Worshipful included.

If you wish for another lodge to step in, we can have our Grand Lodges speak about this, and see if co operative measures can be bought into action.

Those members who have taken on the honorary degrees above 3rd should know better and have addressed the issue.

U2U me if you think such a course might benefit your lodge and rebuild the integrity it once had. Because my cord reaches far in distance, because a brother is just that.




posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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Very well said.


Sometimes staying on the sidelines just doesn't work.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
I am digusted and ashamed such activites would take place in any lodge, especially one that is on the books. Where was the Tyler in all this bs. His duties extend to more than keeping off cowans and eavesdroppers. Any conduct such as that, and having been a Tyler myself in my lodge, those brothers would have been escorted out by my blade, Worshipful included.


Advisor,

Bear in mind that the Tyler's at the outside door of the Lodge to keep out all cowans and intruders to Masonry. Once the door's closed, he's out of the loop. The Inner Guard however....

That said, I'm still waiting to hear from Axeman as I have my doubts as to the veracity of this situation as a whole. He was looking into it as this appears to be a northwest States thing whereas being a central-Canadian Mason, I'm not in a position to ascertain what's exactly going on.


Originally posted by ADVISOR
If you wish for another lodge to step in, we can have our Grand Lodges speak about this, and see if co operative measures can be bought into action.

Those members who have taken on the honorary degrees above 3rd should know better and have addressed the issue.

U2U me if you think such a course might benefit your lodge and rebuild the integrity it once had. Because my cord reaches far in distance, because a brother is just that.


I'm still at a loss to understand this. Assuming that Axeman's investigation proves the situation to be as presented, I'd suggest the Grand Lodge requit itself as well as the Master and Wardens of the particular Lodge. We take an oath to present ourselves and Masonry in general in a positive light and nothing of the circumstance as presented reflects any sort of positive light onto Masonry.



posted on Dec, 20 2007 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Student
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Very well said.


Sometimes staying on the sidelines just doesn't work.


Student,

As I said in my above post to Advisor, we're still waiting to hear from Axeman whether this is an actual Masonic situation or a pretend Masonic situation. Personally, I have my doubts but I'm waiting for further information.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 03:22 PM
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This is a very small town, the crossdresser is not discrete about it at all, just the opposite, there lays a major problem.
Most of the lodge members are elderly, they are not going to accept this type of personal conduct, nor is it fair to force this upon them.
The lodge should reflect a cross section of the town but, the one of 30,000 that dresses as a woman is a major problem regardless of what Masonic Code may or may not indicate.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 04:55 PM
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Why does it matter if the cross dresser is discreet? Who cares? Does not being discreet say anything about someone's character or morality?

And what type of personal conduct are you exactly enforcing upon the members? Who says the lodge must necessarily reflect a cross section of the town - it is not there to reflect the morality of the community, it is there to reflect the morality of masonry. Would you also reject a Buddhist in a Christian town? A homosexual in a conservative town?



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Would you also reject a Buddhist in a Christian town? A homosexual in a conservative town?



With all due respect, this is a rather bogus comparison.


It is like when people imply that racial issues and homosexuality are comparable. They are not, they are practically two totally different ball-parks.

In fact, even though Caucasians have committed most of the racist oppression on this planet within the last few-hundred, if not thousands of years; Caucasians(Western-culture rather) have, as a whole, been more accepting than other cultures of unnatural and harmful behaviors such as homosexuality(not to mention pollution, nuclear bombs, pesticides, genetic grafting, etc.)




[edit on 21-12-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 05:13 PM
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And how is homosexuality "harmful" and dangerous?

You come into a thread with these homophobic views and never explain.

So... explain?



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 05:30 PM
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Have you ever tried joining two electrical cords by their ends, or tried to couple a socket with another socket?

Or how about using a battery with two positive ends, or with two negative ends?

Have such things ever produced anything useful?

You may say that trying to do such things would be harmless, as they would have no effect on anyone but the one trying to do it; but what would happen if more and more people tried doing that?

There would be no Light.

(I'm not saying that we actually couldn't live without mechanical electrical-technology; but you see what I mean.)


What's the usefulness of even one person attempting the absurd, for no other reason than fleeting-pleasure?(of course it is their choice, but it doesn't change the fact that it is harmful to the whole)







[edit on 21-12-2007 by Tamahu]

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posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 05:46 PM
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A gay "sexual" act is also one of the fastest ways to charge or polarize oneself with the malignant atoms of the secret enemy.

This is why all of the civilizations that promoted sexual degeneration, crumbled right to the ground shortly after.



Anyway, if we want to keep the world's population at a reasonable level, then White Tantra is the most healthy key to doing so.




[edit on 21-12-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 06:14 PM
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So you don't like gays because they are not useful to you or "society" ...

Because they don't reproduce? If anything, I would say they help society out by NOT reproducing, way to many people producing offspring, and the majority come from those who Shouldn't be.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 06:44 PM
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I've continued my explanation here:



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posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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My brother (my real brother not masonic) is Gay and he's also married to a wonderful man.

I have so much respect for him and have never seen him as happy as he is now that he isn't in hiding.

While this forum is not the place to discuss homosexual behavior it was brought up so I comment on it.

There is an amazingly high level of bigotry and hate from the people that post here. Just because you hid behind a screen name doesn't mean you can say harmful things.

The comparison of a light socket not fitting into another socket was just plain wrong.

Society is changing and we need to be more accepting to other human beings.

It seems to me that the people on this forum who are anti-mason are also anti-(fill in the blank) since they are not what the poster is.

Geez people open your mind a little to other's.



posted on Dec, 21 2007 @ 07:09 PM
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I'd like to see your evidence for blaming the caucasian white race as being responsible for everything.

As for everything else - they are all characteristics. They are "radical" issues to you because you must internally find some way to explain why you do not treat them equally - but I do not share this internal need to rationalize that. People are people. What makes them who they are - their characteristics like gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation - matters not to me. And it should not matter to masonry.

I personally do not agree with cross dressing or homosexuality, but people are free to do what they want. And I will not treat them any differently, and especially not in masonry.

Your explanation shows that your justification for your views comes down to nothing other than - once again - your faith. It is sad that you, like some other people we've had around here, refuse to accept that your faith - while it is true to you - may not be so to other people. And you cannot and should not force your views - which are again based only on your faith - on other people. I personally do not think homosexuality is "good" for society - but I will fight anyone who wants to stop homosexual people from living their lives as they please. That is their free will, and they have every right to it. And the best part is - I don't have to agree to how they choose to live their life. That is not my job.

[edit on 21-12-2007 by LightinDarkness]



posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by corsig
The comparison of a light socket not fitting into another socket was just plain wrong.


Yeah and what if the man is from America and the woman is from Europe, or vice-versa?

A detriment to society, I tell you...






posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 11:30 AM
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To set aside any fantasy, this man makes a train wreck of a woman.
RacerX and I did see this person in public, wearing a halter top, mini skirt with mangina visable.
www.urbandictionary.com...



posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 12:00 PM
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Hmm. I didn't know we started admitting people into masonry based on looks. Sorry to say my lodge would probably have to turn in its charter, since they let me in - and I'm not pretty
.

You still have not told us how a cross dresser somehow is against the virtues taught by masonry. I await your answer on that.



posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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L&D, I can not make a decision what is the best candidates for your lodge. All I can say with certainty is, this fruit cake crossdresser that is in public displaying sexual perversion, is simply out of step with what the overwhelming majority of members of good report care to have as a member.
If a particular lodge is made entirely of sexually deviant members, I certainly fail to see how such a lodge can possibly further enhance Masonry.
One of the officers of this lodge stated that hookers are hired for entertainment at or after one of the rites meetings.
Tell me Light and Darkness, do you find that acceptable?



posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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You see, here's a clear example of how words always get taken out of context, and how people pick-and-choose certain words that their opponent had written, without taking the entire context of the latter's post into account:




Originally posted by LightinDarkness
I'd like to see your evidence for blaming the caucasian white race as being responsible for everything.




I never said that Caucasians are responsible for everything.


This is exactly like how my views on gayness are picked-apart, while certain pieces of the entire view are left out as to make it look like I was over generalizing.




[edit on 22-12-2007 by Tamahu]



posted on Dec, 22 2007 @ 04:36 PM
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Aww shucks, don't like to be held accountable for the things you type, eh? I was specifically asking about THIS:


Originally posted by Tamahu
In fact, even though Caucasians have committed most of the racist oppression on this planet within the last few-hundred, if not thousands of years;


If you are going to make sweeping generalizations, don't do it in a thread where I am watching. I will call you out on it.

I have agreed to stop bumping this post, so I won't respond to anymore posts in this thread. So congrats, you get the "last word" again - enjoy it!



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