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posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 09:50 PM
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reply to post by yeahright
 


Why go to the trouble of Piltdown Man? I'm sure we'll never know although I'm sure the perpetrator had his reasons. The general sense is that things are not as they are being described and/or there are key elements missing. What's in it for HD, I'm not going to surmise. More importantly, why here? That's the frame for every other question.




posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
these members make all members of the fraternity look bad no matter where you are.


perhaps to you, and other people that feel the need to group in hundreds of thousands of masons, because of your own experience.

Besides, you are giving these guys way too much credit, as if a few jerks are going to tarnish what masonry is about. I find that humorous.

I don't understand why you are going after the Grand Lodge either, when you should be going after the individual people that you are accusing. Masonry does not act as a corporation, where you get to complain to some headquarters somewhere. Take legal action against the individuals involved! All this misdirected hostility is a waste of your time.



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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I offered to help with this situation a while back. The conclusion that was determined by myself, and fellow brother I confered with was, it is their lodge let them handle it as they will see best fit.

Unless actively requested/asked to assist in theinternal goings on of the specific brotherhood, we have no actual involvement.

In other words, Grand Lodge must confer with Grand Lodge and bygones must be calculated.

Otherwise, speaking for myself of course, I would have "cracked some skulls" so to speak.

I will admit, being in the Order of the Temple, such would never be tolderated, even that they are seperate parts of the fraternity, I would not tolerate that sort of conduct.

It is not a matter of my lodge, and thank goodness for those who have done such.



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Why go to the trouble of Piltdown Man?


Now see, I don't care who y'are, that right there's funny


I can understand "why here". A lot of members use ATS as a sounding board and a place of refuge to discuss all manner of things from personal tragedies to high triumphs. There's a sense of community here that some people just don't have in RL, and even if they do, this can be a safe place to vent and get some advice about topics you'd rather not go into with people in your personal life. For a variety of reasons.

I can see why Masons aren't particularly thrilled with this being aired on this forum, true or not. If I were a Mason, I'd hope this guy was full of canal water. And if he isn't, as a Mason I'd offer him the same help he's been offered here.

So there you go. If it's determined he HAS been making all this up and this is all some sort of delusion or hoax, that will not be good. And as a moderator on this forum (but not in this thread, since I'm participating in it), I'll push hard for the hammer. Not that it matters...

[edit for clarity - maybe]



[edit on 3/25/2008 by yeahright]



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
I am from Solar Lodge #730 Second District of Ohio, I belong to the Miami Valley of the Scottish Rite as well.


Rock, we're practically neighbors... you're up in Dayton, I'm in Northern Kentucky, near Cincinnati.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:09 AM
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Note, me responding to some individuals comments here is not productive and only clouds the issue.
OK, moving right along,
Regarding my business web site being turned to a porn site by a "Brother Mason", this is the findings of the computer expert I paid to chase this down. In these 2 pages, I removed the experts ID, the Grand Lodge officers this email was forwarded to, I also under advice at this time, scratched out the name of the perp, but, left the first 2 letters.
This was done in May 2007, the date at the bottom is from converting this to jpg so as to post on photo bucket.

First, this is how I was made aware of it, the moderator on clubchopper.
s170.photobucket.com...

page1
s170.photobucket.com...

page2
s170.photobucket.com...

Do I understand all this? Not too well. Anyway, those with the nack for it will, I am assured.
This was a criminal action against me, but just a drop in the bucket considering all that has and is taking place.
It can be seen, that I still own the domain, but I have not redone my web site due to this war being waged on RacerX and I, I do intend to have my site back up when the situation is resolved. The situation will be fully and completely resolved.
It can be seen in the clubchopper document, my email address, yes that is real, so am I.
This situation is on the chopping block now, this is the gun scam perpetrated on RacerX, we will get to this in due time.
s170.photobucket.com...


[edit on 26-3-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:34 AM
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Considering that all this happened between March-May 2007, it is rather strange that the letter on Page 2 of the link above is dated 23 January 2007.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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Anyway...I received a U2U detailing another type of answer given in another kind of lodge...but also with a reference to the sun that would be recognizable by most.

Just needed to add that I am slightly mistaken about the text being exactly the same everywhere.

[edit on 26-3-2008 by Skyfloating]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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Saurus, what you are looking at is the date of the email that we provided to the computer expert in order to prove who manipulated my business web site on May 15 2007.
Finally a reasonable question! Good for you!

By the way, I found this site quite some time ago by, one of my customers is the manager of one of our National Laboratories he reads this forum all the time,but, would never post here, job issues most likely.

[edit on 26-3-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

[edit on 26-3-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:15 AM
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Again with the news paper..

It is from Walla Walla Washington, Walla Walla County. There are two lodges in Walla Walla both listed a few pages back by my self.

But you claim to be a motorcycle mechanic from Milwaukee?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
But you claim to be a motorcycle mechanic from Milwaukee?


No, he claims he has a certification from the Milwaukee Harley Davidson factory. Not that he lives in Milwaukee.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:48 AM
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OK.

So he is blasting Walla Walla Lodge No. 7 on the internet.

(509) 525-3763

Its all public information. Lets call and see whats hes talking about.

Or Blue Mountain Lodge

509-525-9076

Lets end this game. Where are you from HD?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:51 AM
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Look Rockpuck...

by the WAY he responded to my earlier question, its obvious that he´s not a mason. Even if he wouldnt know the answer he would have responded diferently.

However, I chose to let it rest as not to embarrass any further or "rub it in".

Why dont we just let it rest?

There will be many here who pose as masons. Check their vocabulary.

It doesnt really matter who poses as what. The significance of forum and chatroom communication is overrated.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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Sky. If your calling the man a hoax, an obvious hoax at that, tell me why then...

1. This thread is still open and ..

2. Why this member has not been banned for said hoax?


If the thread and the member will continue on and people read the thread, what good is it to just leave the thread? Its no better then admitting this fraud is right.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Sky. If your calling the man a hoax, an obvious hoax at that, tell me why then...

1. This thread is still open and ..

2. Why this member has not been banned for said hoax?


If the thread and the member will continue on and people read the thread, what good is it to just leave the thread? Its no better then admitting this fraud is right.


Because in order to conclusively prove it to be hoax you´d need documentation.

Therefore I say its enough if the masons here know who is who.
No need to evangelize the world.

I bet there are a few thousand more hoaxes on ATS...

but the only ones you can get true documentation on are the ones involving pictures, videos and those in which credentials are involved.

We cant force someone to provide documentation though...many prefer to be here anonymously.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 08:04 AM
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I also understand how you care about protecting the reputation of masonry.

But if the means of protecting reputation are to counter each and every false claim made in the internet, you´ll be spending the better part of your life doing so



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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He is making audacious claims that involve felonious activities on the part of Walla Walla Lodge #7. I would think ATS would not appreciate such claims being made to a 3rd party through this website.

the phone numbers to the Lodge secretary are right there.

Easy enough to prove its a hoax. I bet they would like to know what Libel was written against them on ATS.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Easy enough to prove its a hoax. I bet they would like to know what Libel was written against them on ATS.


Your choice to write them that email.


In my opinion, if even there were the remote possibility of him being a mason, you dont discuss internal lodge business on an internet forum, you bring it up critisism in the meetings. That alone is unmasonic conduct.







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posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 12:41 PM
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Some must believe that I am not a Mason because it makes them more comfortable to believe that.
There has been threats of violence toward RacerX and I from these Monkeys, on one occasion toward RacerX witnessed by Grand Lodge officers. Then there is more then one occasion of my mother and wife being harassed.
Those that scream the loudest are screaming even louder now as documented proof is emerging right here on ATS. Just hold on, more is coming!
Just try to prove that I am not the HD factory tech certified by John A Davidson chairman of the Harley Davidson Motor Company on Dec 11 1981.
As far as a lawsuit, "bring it on"!



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Those that scream the loudest are screaming even louder now as documented proof is emerging right here on ATS. Just hold on, more is coming!


Actually there are no screams but rather crickets. I emailed the Wash. GL last month about this issue. Guess what? Nothing.





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