One item that sticks me deep, is, The Monkey Wives treated My elderly Mother and Wife with pure hatred at Eastern Star. They will never go back.
Grand Lodge again allows this!

The Grand Lodge won't help??? Would that be the Grand Lodge of your Blue Lodge, have you contacted the Worthy Matron of the Blue Lodge?

Originally posted by woodwhite
The Grand Lodge won't help??? Would that be the Grand Lodge of your Blue Lodge, have you contacted the Worthy Matron of the Blue Lodge?

There is no "Worthy Matron" in the Blue Lodge. The Worthy Matron is the Presiding Officer of the Eastern Star Chapter. Also, Grand Lodge has no authority over the Eastern Star except where Master Masons are concerned. Some Grand Lodges have forbidden their members to join the Eastern Star. Most Grand Lodges work together with the O.E.S., some couldn't care one way or another that it even exists.

If there is a problem with the Eastern Star, it should be addressed to either the Worthy Matron of the specific Chapter or to the Worthy Grand Matron of the state's Grand Chapter.

Originally posted by Beelzebubba
Can I take a guess?

Because the sun is a fixed body, it is always at its meridian.

Am I right? Huh, huh...

Bzzzzzztt. Wrong answer but thanks for playing. Be sure to pick up your parting gifts on the way out.

But then again, you've never claimed to be a Mason so there's no shame in you not getting the answer. On the other hand......

Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
I am a 3rd degree Master Mason, so is RacerX. As tough as that is to swallow for some, the facts are the facts.

RacerX is certainly not a mason. I once asked him a simple question that any and every mason would know the answer to (which has nothing to do with ritual), and he could not answer.

Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
For your information RacerX and I filed a formal complaint with a Federal agency regarding the activity of this... lodge...

Good. This is the correct course of action, IMO.

Honestly, why stir the pot here? From what I see, this thread has simply been divisive rather than helpful to anyone.

HD, for what it's worth I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt but the more you write, the less I'm so inclined. I am glad to hear reports of progress with your dilemma, and I hope that it works out for all concerned. If this is really happening in lodge, then the offending members should be purged from the Craft, period.

As to your credentials, personally I have no reason to doubt that you are who you say you are other than what you have written; missing answers to cryptic questions notwithstanding.

But know this: if you are a Mason, and you DO assign value to your obligations, take heed that you do not yourself violate them in the course of your "fight." You have been very close already, IMHO, in your words.

Good luck to you.

These masonic monkeys, did they do a spot of organised stalking per chance?

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Axe,

I believe that that option was suggested way back in this thread and the continued posting on this by HD and Racer suggests that things are not as they seem and that only one side of the story is being presented and (I would argue) in the most negative light possible.

I agree that it is definitely fishy. I was one of the first to suggest legal recourse. As we have discussed elsewhere, I have my doubts as to the authenticity of his claim to membership. However, taking into account differences in catechism, etc. from state to state, I can't prove it either way. As I have seen a picture of him in full regalia in a lodge photo on a lodge website, I'll give him the benefit -- for now.

Mason? Maybe. Scruples? Not so much. I'm skeptical, but not certain.

As was I in the initial going. However, an inability to answer a question that even an EA (let alone a MM or Lodge Officer) would and, in fact, needs to be able to answer raises very clear questions as to whether he is in fact what and who he claims to be.

Point taken, and again, I make no claims one way or the other. The same questions have been raised in my mind, but I choose to reserve judgement in absolute terms until such time as there are sufficient facts in evidence to prove one way or the other.

I do not defend HD, or his comments; I simply recognize the possibility (however slim) that he is a Mason. As to the agenda, I'm at a loss. What further use (if it was ever any at all) could ATS be in this matter?

None.

Hopefully, this thread dies here.

R.I.P.

Why cant HDFACTORY just scan his dues card and write VOID or something like that over the image so it can't be duplicated and used, and send it to someone trusted on the forum (ML, Axe, Rock, etc.)? Seems like that would set the matter to rest as to his legitimacy. Other modes of recognition (example: the Tyler's Oath) can be found on the Internet fairly easily, so I don't know that I'd trust anything short of a valid dues card issued by a regular Grand Lodge.

Personally, since ritual can vary wildly from state to state, I don't find the question that was asked in the other thread to be particularly convincing. I have my own opinions, but without some proof one way or the other, they're just that - opinions. The stories of web site hacking from "a York Rite computer" don't help the claims, as far as I'm concerned, but whatever ....

In any event, it's kind of bad form to bring this topic, if it's legit, to a conspiracy forum... there are better avenues - including legal, if there were actual crimes committed - that are more appropriate. This just fuels peoples' beliefs in irrational Masonic conspiracies.. IMHO.


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