Problem Lodge....

One item that sticks me deep, is, The Monkey Wives treated My elderly Mother and Wife with pure hatred at Eastern Star. They will never go back.
Grand Lodge again allows this!

The Grand Lodge won't help??? Would that be the Grand Lodge of your Blue Lodge, have you contacted the Worthy Matron of the Blue Lodge?

There is no "Worthy Matron" in the Blue Lodge. The Worthy Matron is the Presiding Officer of the Eastern Star Chapter. Also, Grand Lodge has no authority over the Eastern Star except where Master Masons are concerned. Some Grand Lodges have forbidden their members to join the Eastern Star. Most Grand Lodges work together with the O.E.S., some couldn't care one way or another that it even exists.

If there is a problem with the Eastern Star, it should be addressed to either the Worthy Matron of the specific Chapter or to the Worthy Grand Matron of the state's Grand Chapter.

Can I take a guess?

Because the sun is a fixed body, it is always at its meridian.

Am I right? Huh, huh...

Bzzzzzztt. Wrong answer but thanks for playing. Be sure to pick up your parting gifts on the way out.

But then again, you've never claimed to be a Mason so there's no shame in you not getting the answer. On the other hand......

I am a 3rd degree Master Mason, so is RacerX. As tough as that is to swallow for some, the facts are the facts.
This thread is about an isolated incident in a lodge that is predominately York Rite.
Apparently, these York Riters feel the the blue lodge obligations are meaningless words, with the other obligations they have taken, they seem to feel its alright to mock the blue lodge ritual by acting like Monkeys and other more dreadful acts.
Lets take another look at this weapon that was placed in RacerX hands to destroy him.
This is has never been done before, that is, never has a police scam such as this been exposed on the internet. A real conspiracy to damage an individual.
This is the smoking gun so to speak, that has a trail to the Monkeys, the trail is being followed, Slow, Steady and thoroughly.
s170.photobucket.com...

RacerX is certainly not a mason. I once asked him a simple question that any and every mason would know the answer to (which has nothing to do with ritual), and he could not answer.

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Your bona fides as a "Mason" have already been established by your repeated inability to correctly answer Skyfloating's simple question in this post.

Your story's busted

Thanks for that link, Fitzgibbon. I've been wondering for a while if HD was a mason, and I'm now convinced he is not.

Boo Hoo, one of the last Milwaulkee Factory Certified Harley Davidson techs still alive! And a Master Mason as such.
Just terrible they let one such as I into the fraternity, being an honest business man and all.
For your information RacerX and I filed a formal complaint with a Federal agency regarding the activity of this sickening lodge and its terrible deeds.
Blame me if you wish for disclosing this, however it has been effective in derailing further harassment from these Monkeys.
All this trouble is based on financial motives from the Monkeys of the lodge
From my view, the Monkeys are all York Rite Morons, and that is where the trouble comes from. From this wing of Masonry, the Monkeys feel they are above the Blue Lodge and thus "The Obligations Are Meaningless Words".
So, thats the way it is.
s170.photobucket.com...
And here is looking at you! Thats a $125000 lathe I am leaning on! Enjoy!
s170.photobucket.com...



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Good. This is the correct course of action, IMO.

Honestly, why stir the pot here? From what I see, this thread has simply been divisive rather than helpful to anyone.

HD, for what it's worth I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt but the more you write, the less I'm so inclined. I am glad to hear reports of progress with your dilemma, and I hope that it works out for all concerned. If this is really happening in lodge, then the offending members should be purged from the Craft, period.

As to your credentials, personally I have no reason to doubt that you are who you say you are other than what you have written; missing answers to cryptic questions notwithstanding.

But know this: if you are a Mason, and you DO assign value to your obligations, take heed that you do not yourself violate them in the course of your "fight." You have been very close already, IMHO, in your words.

Good luck to you.

These masonic monkeys, did they do a spot of organised stalking per chance?

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Interesting that this is in Wisconsin and your last photos where... from Washington State..

I'm just surprised you have not been banned yet for your hoax you have going here.. quite disappointing to tell you the truth..

I mean.. for such a good Mason.. you had an awfully hard time answering basic Masonic questions.......

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Not to defend HDFACTORYCERTIF, because I disagree with a lot of what he has said as well, but the question asked of him, and not answered, regarding the sun at its meridian, is NOT a question asked in all regular Masonic work. It's not a regular mode of recognition, merely a detail that is in the catechism used by some states. Remember that the specifics of the degrees vary from Grand Lodge to Grand Lodge, and ultimately, it is only a dues card that can truly get you past the Tiler.

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He was asked more then one question.. questions that anyone, especially an Officer in the lodge would know..

We can all be fairly certain he is NOT a Mason.

It was established long ago.. back when this thread should have been closed and the Hoaxer banned.

Don't feed trolls.

Now that it has been seen that I am a real person, not just some one cowering behind the internet with a phony handle. Yes indeed I am one of the very last Milwaulkee certified HD techs, Master Machinist and Master Mason. Also a business owner, very well known. And perhaps thats where the Monkeys really screwed up.
You see with any business one must be accountable for their actions. The Monkey Lodge is a corporation, there for, those that conduct "bad business" must be held accountable.
It has been quite a shock to me that Masons can do such dirty deeds, also very sad that the Grand Lodge being fully aware of "most all aspects" of the situation that RacerX and I have brought forth here chose to attempt to cover it up. It has gone way to far for that. Masons no matter who must be accountable also.
Recall that I stated my business web site was hijacked and turned to a porn site. This was done March 15 2007 by the secretary of the lodge. Though the Grand Lodge tried to slime out of it because the secretary was suspended March 14, he however was allowed to continue with being web master for the Monkey Lodge and York Rite web sites until very recently.
I didnt discover my web site was hijacked until April 2007, this is how I discovered it. At times I post on a site "clubchopper" over 1600 post there as I am an engine building expert with more then 30yrs of working with Harley Davidson. Here the moderator of clubchopper informs me my web site is porn.
s170.photobucket.com...
I hired a computer wiz to chase down who did this. I was totally shocked when it went to the Masons. It certainly is not a shock now as much more bad business has happened and will in short time be forthcoming.
If there is an interest, I can scan the technical jargon from the computer wiz that tracked this to the York Rite computer.
The sexual sickness with these jerks is way out there to me, dont forget the crossdresser they tried to bring in. OK so I am a square.

Axeman, yes, very close to the edge, however, being in perhaps one of the toughest business one could possibly be in, I have seen alot in my years. I hate bike gangs, I have dealt with them all, Hells Angels, Bandidos and the rest. As scummy as those freaks are, they are better people than the Monkey lodge. You always know where you stand with them.
When these so called Monkey Masons, harass my mother and my wife, I have had to truly subdue my passions to keep from making a major social adjustment on their Monkey asses.


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[edit on 24-3-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

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"Major social adjustment..." -- priceless.

Look it sounds like you're on the right patch to get this squared away. Pursue the legal means of redress of these grievances and you'll be alright.

I'm afraid that you are beyond convincing some of these guys that you are for real; as I said before I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt due to our communication outside of ATS, but... I think the time for airing this particular load of dirty laundry here has passed (if indeed there ever was a time for it).

It serves no purpose now, other than to incite others to hate Masonry (more than they do already) on account of these "monkeys."

If you can't see that, then perhaps some time in the Chamber of Reflection would do you some good.

V.I.T.R.I.O.L.

Axe,

I believe that that option was suggested way back in this thread and the continued posting on this by HD and Racer suggests that things are not as they seem and that only one side of the story is being presented and (I would argue) in the most negative light possible.



As was I in the initial going. However, an inability to answer a question that even an EA (let alone a MM or Lodge Officer) would and, in fact, needs to be able to answer raises very clear questions as to whether he is in fact what and who he claims to be.

I agree that it is definitely fishy. I was one of the first to suggest legal recourse. As we have discussed elsewhere, I have my doubts as to the authenticity of his claim to membership. However, taking into account differences in catechism, etc. from state to state, I can't prove it either way. As I have seen a picture of him in full regalia in a lodge photo on a lodge website, I'll give him the benefit -- for now.

Mason? Maybe. Scruples? Not so much. I'm skeptical, but not certain.



Point taken, and again, I make no claims one way or the other. The same questions have been raised in my mind, but I choose to reserve judgement in absolute terms until such time as there are sufficient facts in evidence to prove one way or the other.

I do not defend HD, or his comments; I simply recognize the possibility (however slim) that he is a Mason. As to the agenda, I'm at a loss. What further use (if it was ever any at all) could ATS be in this matter?

None.

Hopefully, this thread dies here.

R.I.P.

Why cant HDFACTORY just scan his dues card and write VOID or something like that over the image so it can't be duplicated and used, and send it to someone trusted on the forum (ML, Axe, Rock, etc.)? Seems like that would set the matter to rest as to his legitimacy. Other modes of recognition (example: the Tyler's Oath) can be found on the Internet fairly easily, so I don't know that I'd trust anything short of a valid dues card issued by a regular Grand Lodge.

Personally, since ritual can vary wildly from state to state, I don't find the question that was asked in the other thread to be particularly convincing. I have my own opinions, but without some proof one way or the other, they're just that - opinions. The stories of web site hacking from "a York Rite computer" don't help the claims, as far as I'm concerned, but whatever ....

In any event, it's kind of bad form to bring this topic, if it's legit, to a conspiracy forum... there are better avenues - including legal, if there were actual crimes committed - that are more appropriate. This just fuels peoples' beliefs in irrational Masonic conspiracies.. IMHO.


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