Jena Six Case Shows Black Teens Get Short End of Stick

I am so tired of the double standard garbage.

Fact: these six thugs have previous records for assault.

Fact: as ugly as some think placing some rope in a tree is, it is NOT a violent act. Assault of 6 on 1 is a violent act.

Trying to justify a 6 on 1 beating based on soem rope in a tree is the same as the islamo's rioting in the streets over cartoons.

Rope in a tree is a SYMBOL!

6 cowards on 1 kid who had nothing to do with the ropes is a Felony Assault and Atempted Murder................

Get a grip people. The Jena SIX deserve to be behind bars for a HATE crime.

Here is a link to the timeline.

The march was set up after the attempted murder charge but before the reduction of the charge but they decided to go ahead w/ the march to make the point (rightfully so here in Louisiana) that some people are treated harsher.

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In LA law, when the white kid went down out-cold, and the 6 cowards kept beating him...........THAT IS INTENT TO KILL.

In Philly, DC, Los Angles, etc..........punks like this at age 16 are tried as adults all the time.


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Countless studies show that a black teen is six times more likely to be tried and sentenced to prison than a young white, even when the crimes are similar, or even less

Its journalism like that that gives journalism a bad name.

We just believe me when I say what I say without citing sources.

You are morally obligated to send me money.

See?.

What a load of crap. I too am sick of the double standards. I'm even MORE sick of those POS's Sharpton and Jackson. I can't believe the black community, marching because 6 dudes that BEAT SOMEBODY are being charged??? Just like when they all cheered because OJ was let off, makes me ill.

reply to post by Wiz4769


Listen mate, before you start trying to have a go - read the entire thread and you'll see that I've said that many times - and if you can't do that, go elsewhere until you get some manners.
*SNIP*



Does nobody actually read a thread before posting anymore?
All these points have been covered more than once.

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Thats the point, your points in the thread are not valid IMO. You keep repeating that over and over again.

Your stating that because some random statistic shows that black people get in more trouble than white people that these 6 should be given a lighter sentence. Also you state that the DA in this case is racist because he started it off with murder charges, fine he probably is, but the charges have been reduced big time already, so again thats a non issue at this point in the case You claim your not compairing what the white boys did with the noose and the tree, because its apples to oranges anyways so thats a non factor as well. So if all this I just wrote here is fact, you have no argument left that adds to your way of thinking on THIS case.

They violently attacked a person, 6 on 1, kicked while down in the head while unconscious. There is NOTHING you can say to change this is a violent act and should be punished to the full extent of the law. And if the white boys get a big idea to do something to others after this fact or any other people regaurdless of skin, they too should get the full extent of punishment for this. Slap on the wrists is for NON violent first time offences only.

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The whole point of the thread, if you bother to read the OP is that minorities are consistently treated more harshly than whites in the courts.
I've also said many times that these guys should be punished - but the white kids should have been punished too.
I never said anything about them getting let off.

A FACT is that 71% of crime is committed by whites, but 60% of the jail population is minorities.
My whole point throughout the thread has been that there is not a level field in charging and sentencing minorities in comparison with whites - try reading it, and you'll see that many times.

I also have to keep repeating things because idiots persist in posting before reading, like with all the stats posted - read them?
didn't think so.
Read them then come back and discuss.

I've really had enough of all the fools who can't be bothered to read before posting and who miss the whole point of a thread because they don't have the wit to understand what's being said or can't understand a simple post.

This isn't rocket science - read the damn thing first



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[edit on 21/9/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by budski
A FACT is that 71% of crime is committed by whites, but 60% of the jail population is minorities.
My whole point throughout the thread has been that there is not a level field in charging and sentencing minorities in comparison with whites - try reading it, and you'll see that many times.

That leads, well, anyone that analyzes it to believe that minorities commit more crimes that require imprisonment. Speeding, for example won't land you in jail, but ganging up on some kid and beating the crap out of him will. It'd be easier to analyze if you gave your source for those percentages. And yes, Budski, I read that article. It doesn't list the source.

I need to to tell me where they came from, since you stand by them.

Originally posted by budski
I also have to keep repeating things because idiots persist in posting before reading, like with all the stats posted - read them?
didn't think so.
Read them then come back and discuss.

Because you keep repeating yourself. That's what you revert to in debates, maybe you don't realize it.

Maybe it's not the rest of the world.

[edit on 21-9-2007 by Johnmike]

I'm not trying to get in some argument over race, I am more than done with those types of arguments. However, I think there's one thing that hasn't been addressed.

Who exactly is being racist?

This whole argument about racism is like some dark looming enemy in the shadows. It's really a vague argument, it's not like anyone is saying this sepcific judge is racist or that one juror is racist. Everyone is saying "The whole world is against the black man and everyone is racist."

The American legal system makes it so that the final judgment rests on the jury's shoulders. It's not like one racist lawyer or one racist judge is going to send these 6 kids to jail for life. If there is rampant racism as everyone would make it out so seem then it's the jurors who are the racists. I find it hard to believe that in every case with a black defendant there is an all white jury.

Having an all white jury convict a black defendant would be grounds for a possible mistrial since it's supposed to be a "Jury of your peers". Any good lawyer could argue that an all white jury is not a black man's peers. So are we trying to say that even black people are racist against other black people?

If the black kid that was beat up at the party wanted the white kids arrested he should've pressed charges. The cops won't do anything if the victim is unwilling to press charges. The white kid was beat by 6 black kids until he was unconscious in the street and obviously he and his family pressed charges.

I'm not going to argue anything in regards to race but it really is ridiculous that anyone would say that the entire legal system is run solely by racists. I mean look, regardless of race we're trying to defend criminals. I don't rob people 'cause I don't want to go to jail. I don't kill people because I enjoy my freedom. Whether or not your final verdict is too harsh has nothing to do with the fact that you committed the crime.

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If you disagree with the proof I've provided, then provide equal proof, rather than spurious opinion.
It's all very well saying you don't believe something, but you're not providing any counter proof - is this because you can't?
Show me evidence, rather than flawed logic and false flags.

Sorry, I forgot this is your MO - just opinions, no facts - and use this to try and derail the thread because you disagree with the subject matter.

Originally posted by budski
If you disagree with the proof I've provided, then provide equal proof, rather than spurious opinion.

Huh? What are you going on about?

I asked you for the source of those statistics so that we can analyze them. Jesus, budski, you need to take a breather.

Originally posted by budski
It's all very well saying you don't believe something, but you're not providing any counter proof - is this because you can't?

I never said I disagreed with anything. I just said that those statistics can be interpreted in a vastly different way.

Originally posted by budski
Show me evidence, rather than flawed logic and false flags.

There's nothing to show you evidence of because I never made any claims.

Originally posted by budski
Sorry, I forgot this is your MO - just opinions, no facts - and use this to try and derail the thread because you disagree with the subject matter.

Thanks.

This whole Jena Six thing leaves me mind bottled. I really don't understand why the whole thing is playing out the way it is. I feel that Any one involved that broke a law in any way should be convicted of the exact crimes they committed. Nothing more and nothing less. And Any one involved who did not break a law in any way should not have any consequences. end of story. I feel this whole thing is being exploited and over-hyped to the fullest. And I am saying this without "Taking Sides"

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The sources of the statistics are all in this thread.
Stats for hate crimes, stats for crime comitted vs sentences imposed, everything.

So, instead of flogging your opinion, why not back it up with some proof, rather than just what's in your mind? After all, I have.

I await your response to the contrary.

I've read very little about this situation but from what I've read it appears that both parties are at fault. truthfully, rather than punishing either side I'd prefer they sit these teens down together and have them settle their differences peacefully. It's a shame the justice system doesn't get this elaborate, and prefers a simple eye for an eye system of "justice".

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Maybe I missed something in the thread, but where does this come from??

A FACT is that 71% of crime is committed by whites, but 60% of the jail population is minorities.

I'd like to see where that statistic was given, if you have a link I'd appreciate it, and sorry if you already posted it.

reply to post by 27jd


I've already posted it and have no intention of posting it again - it's there, find it.




I'll find some more tomorrow - there's plenty out there.

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Oh, well excuuuuuse me. But you're right you did post it, and as a previous member stated, it doesn't get into the exact nature of the crimes being cited. First you must take into account, that at this point in time whites are the majority, so of course the numbers will be higher based on averages. Then you must take into account what they are being arrested for, which that socialist site doesn't bother going into. If the majority of white youths that were arrested were arrested for say, minor consumption of alcohol, curfew, or perhaps even 1st offense shoplifting and the majority of blacks were arrested for selling drugs on the street corner, posession of illegal guns, gang violence, etc., obviously that would account for the differences in the numbers in prison. There are plenty of whites in prison for drugs and violence as well, but ALOT of arrests are probably for petty crap that doesn't even go to trial...

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hmm
I see what you're getting at
but i fail to see the relevance.

Can you expand on what you're saying, so I can understand better.

I may have hold of the wrong end of the stick.

reply to post by budski


Well, in a nut shell what I was saying is those statistics say 70% of people arrested are white, but if you think about all the stupid, petty crap alot of young white kids do, such as getting caught drunk at an underage party, stealing a pack of gum, etc. that get them arrested and taken home to their parents, and if you think of some of the much more serious crimes black youths are caught up in, because of their environment, lack of parental guidance in that environment, etc., that may account for the difference in the numbers in prison.