Originally posted by lonemaverick

So are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level?

Uh, I don't know about the others but not me. I would speculate that there are elevators that go down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that go far deeper have been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area, the Nevada Test Site and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue. Thanks for the post.

I think the whole idea is very plausible. Living in So Cal something that concerns me now and always has is the fact that many say CA is floating and will one day break off. I've been searching for map of the CA shelf etc... and have come up empty handed.

Does anyone have any maps or links that can show this shelf area of the state and the sea floor? How far does this shelf really extend under neighboring states?

Syntaxstealth wrote
[very strange area. look at the base with google maps. good post John! for visual evidence use this (38.565998, -118.641357) in google maps to search. its very strange

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I'm gonna have to go with it's water treatment. Any base, at least Marine Corps , has something similar. (see 29 palms)

Keep up the detective work! I LOVE this site!

First I have to say, being extremely familiar with the local geology, that unless you have some great new energy source to provide cooling for the several hundred degree temperatures found relatively close to the surface, and some astounding "unobtanium" to withstand the constant strain and numerous slipping faults, there is no way I can envision any tunnel system from most any point around Hawthorn to any point westward under the Sierras. Walker lake is fishable, (some areas require a permit from the local tribe) skiable and swimable and the shallow end is on the south in the restricted area. The security, currently, is fairly lax, but during the early part and buildup to the current war, security and activity was hectic. A good sized naval weapon storage facility has to have a good war effort to "rotate" it's stock, and a lot of ordnance stored there was getting old. The same situation occured during Gulf War 1, but to a lesser extent. There are some interesting structures in the canyons and mountains just west of the bunkers, with well maintained roads, compared to the bunker areas on the flats.
And just to make a clear point: the circles found all over Nevada are not some secret military project. They are simply hay fields (vast majority are hay) The well or water source is in the center, and a (usually) 40 acre circle is produced by the pivot as it rotates around the center.Pulling a stuck section out of a bog is a chore, but the system as a whole works quite well if you have large areas of land and are not limited to rectangular farming. The water is limited to just the area the sprinklers will reach, and not much will grow outside of it, thus maximizing your overall productivity and conserving limited water supplies.
Not trying to rain on anyones parade, but hopefully providing a different view and some clarity.

Originally posted by gotrox

First I have to say, being extremely familiar with the local geology, that unless you have some great new energy source to provide cooling for the several hundred degree temperatures found relatively close to the surface, and some astounding "unobtanium" to withstand the constant strain and numerous slipping faults, there is no way I can envision any tunnel system from most any point around Hawthorn to any point westward under the Sierras.

Not trying to rain on anyones parade, but hopefully providing a different view and some clarity.

Thanks for your very informed post gotrox. The parade hasn't started yet, everybody is just getting here so your information is both welcome and appreciated.

Thanks, John.
The area ( along with most of central and western Nevada) is geologically "hot" and seismicaly active. Which is quite nice for those of us that enjoy a nice dip on a cool evening in one of our many hot springs. The view of the heavens whilst soaking in the midst of the empty high desert, far from any light polution, is an experience everyone should have at least once.

I found this little bit of information "Nevada's Humboldt River has no outlet to the ocean; the river sinks into the ground, feeding a massive underground aquifer".

It seems winter snow/spring mountain run off can feed water anywhere within the sierras range and there is lava flow tubes under ground.

If there are lava flow tubes, than this story has some merit.

Yes. It's called "The Great Basin". All that runs in has no outlet. But as for massive aquifers, not really. Most valleys have lots of water, but it is usually 50 to 100 feet down. Most valleys have at least 1 dry lake bed, that only during the wettest of years will show any surface water. The whole great basin has been drying out for about the last 10,000 years, and evidence of that can be seen in many places. Most notable is around sand mountain, east of Fallon. Not only desending water marks on the surrounding hills, but in petroglyphs above the high water mark, in what used to be a shallow bay on a large lake. Though the water level has been in steady decline for thousands of years, the arrival of modern peoples just over a hundred years ago has greatly increased the fall of the water table, especially the last 50 or so years with the availability of electricity for wells and irrigation pressures. Amargosa valley has the best aquifer at this time, where the Amargosa river actually reaches the surface in places. Pressure from the explosion in population in Pahrump is rapidly depleting this resource also. Just as walker lake is disapearing, so the subsurface lakes are also by usage beyond input, and source diversion. The balance is precarious, so though I can't discount any large waterway underground, if large amounts of water were flowing out, I think we would be in a larger mess in water availability than we are currently.

Mr. Lear

Don't know if this is relevant or not....." The Devils Hole water level reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a massive underground sea below." I know people have disappeared while exploring Devil's Hole. Never to be found. Reports are: there's a large subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. Wonder's how many disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going to Devils Hole when the weather gets a little cooler. I'll try and get some good photo's. If we run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few questions or Not.

Originally posted by socalsonly

I can neither confirm or deny

Thank you for the time and effort you put into answering my questions socalsonly. They are not only very informative but greatly appreciated.

ok John I had a better RV reading today, Its a huge cave that is shape like a cone thier is a tunnel that leads to the lake, inside the cave is white because of the color of the rocks, I only saw one submarine I don't know what kind is it and don't know what they are doing there.

Also keep a watch for new picture of Saturn coming out this month, they were taken this week, it was a really strong RV vision that came to me, I really don't know what they meant?

About The cave I been trying to get a reading where is located but I can get any good reading, you know you cann't rush readings.