Iran Hangs 30 people Over 'U.S. Plots', page 8

Originally posted by Muaddib
What does the U.S. death penalty, or the war in Iraq, or the U.S. human right records have to do with the Iranian regime hanging people which the Iranian regime claimed were plotting a soft revolution?....

Quite alot actually, because if you want to take the moral highground and criticse Iran for what it does within its own borders then it helps to actually have it, rather than come at it from the skewed perspective of saying "what we do is right, so thats ok, but what they do is wrong".

Perhaps you shouldn't be responding to this thread at all since you are British, and your country has "trully" invaded countries, opressed people around the world, and your country doesn't have a clean "human Rights Record either"......

No arguments from me there. It doesn't. I'm not proud of it.

Should we derail this thread to see other countries "human rights record", or "the death penalty", or any of the other off topic generalized comments other members have made?....

If you want. See where it gets you - I shan't be contributing to that one.

I also wonder what your comment on "warmongers" on this thread was all about.....

Its about what I read regularly on ATS, where I see people openly advocating attacking Iran for various reasons, or speculating when the attack will happen.

or what your comments about the present U.S. administration have to do with these hangings...

The present US administration has a hostile foreign policy towards Iran, does it not?

how about you apologize for dragging this thread off topic alongside other members. Your country has no "clean record" and until recently was still invading and causing mass murders in northern Ireland........ So you shouldn't be making any comments about the United States....

And here you go off the wall, and lose the plot and really show that - in this case - you have no idea what you are talking about, especially when you come out with this...

Are any in your family members in the military, or any of your friends?..... If so they participated in the opression of people in Ireland for centuries, and are/were soldiers in an Army which murdered hundreds of thousands in Ireland alone....

and then this...

Not to mention the fact that it was your country which opressed the American colonies, and your country was the one who taught the Native Americans on how to scalp people since the Brittish soldiers were known to scalp Native American men, women and kids before the Native Americans began doing the same..... Your country opressed what was to become the United States until our forefathers fought for the Independence of the U.S....

Really Muaddib, you excelled yourself. You must have been frothing at the mouth by the time you finished that. I loved the bold emphasis.

How do you like my "generalized comments" about your country?....

Actually I laughed at what you've written and your ignorance of the subject matters you bought up. Maybe one day, hopefully, when you've finished nitpicking points that don't suit your argument you'll educate yourself on the subject matters.

Heres how it stands, Muaddib.

Whether you like it or not, the Bush Administration has completely destabilised the Middle East region at present because of the invasion of Iraq and the opening of Pandora's Box there coupled with the unequivocal support of Israel with regard to the Palestinian issue and in particular last years Israeli incursion into Lebanon. Its a current event. Its not 50 years past, its not 100 years past, its right here, right now.

And after the folly of Iraq, the attention has turned to Iran. And people are looking at the US through a magnifying glass, hoping that the Bush administration doesn't make the same stupid mistakes again.

It also means that the focus of the worlds media, and those who read it, are on Iran and the US.

There are an awful lot of people out there who will persecute others on the grounds of race and religion and cultural differences on both sides and therefore everything about those issues is going to be debated, chewed over and probably regurgitated a few times, and the hypocrisy on all sides is going to be dragged out into the open, and exposed. Its a nasty business. Deal with it.

The very fact that this subject is being debated here on ATS is because of the current Bush administrations actions in the Middle East. Its being debated because - as I stated above - Iran is the current US bogeyman. its also being debated because, as others have pointed out, the US - and the media at present - simply chooses to ignore similar things that may happen in countries that it considers to be allies.

Its ALL linked. Like it or not. And every time a similar subject comes up the whole argument will start again.

Heres the real kicker. You don't actually know if the people executed in the original story actually were "traitors" working with US intelligence agents to undermine the government in Iran or not. You can speculate all you want, and you can drag out all kinds of information about who gets executed in Iran, but the simple fact is that you don't know. None of us do, and none of us probably ever will.

[edit on 22/0807/07 by neformore]