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Originally posted by Muaddib
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that such people always derail threads to blame and bash at the U.S..... always....
The motto of ATS is still "deny ignorance" last i checked....perhaps some members should take that advice and start "denying ignorance" for once instead of embracing ignorance, making up claims, and exagerating just because they want to bash and blame the U.S. in every thread.....
....i kind of doubt that...noone is perfect and as such every administration in every country has made mistakes including the U.S.......but derailing every thread and making exagerations just so you can feel better every day by blaming and bashing the U.S. in every thread does not help you in the least....it just shows that there are quite a few members who are willing to make up exagerations and stretch the truth because they want to blame everything on the United States...
Again, i see that you did not even have one sentence to actually discuss the topic at hand.....
Originally posted by neformore
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The only topic you are concerned with people being off is you own. Well thats too bad. People have differeing opinions to yours. Its your perogative to try and play it your way but castigating people for putting their opinions forward is the HEIGHT of ignorance, and we're here to deny that, aren't we?
Originally posted by Muaddib
That would only have been true if I was the only member saying this....but several other members have said the same thing in this thread, I am not the only member who sees what you, and some other members keep doing constantly...
BTW, the claim that because of the past history of the U.S. and other countries this means we can't discuss and judge what regimes like Iran are doing is the same thing as claiming that "the world shouldn't be advancing because of our past mistakes"... Such a claim does not make sense... Of maybe you think we should all go back to living in caves and going back to the dark ages because of "our past mistakes"?....
Originally posted by neformore
People advance at their own pace. What you considered to be advanced comes from the viewpoint of the position you are in. You can't force "advancement" on anyone, it comes from free will, self determination and popular thinking on their part, and if their culture is significantly different what they deem to be "advanced" may not have any bearing on what you consider to be.
Originally posted by neformore
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As for what "you, and some other members keep doing constantly..." well, thats an interesting comment. People have differing opinions to you. Are you advocating censorship and suggesting they not be allowed to express them? Maybe they are as sick to death of your viewpoint as you appear to be of theirs?
Originally posted by neformore
People advance at their own pace. What you considered to be advanced comes from the viewpoint of the position you are in. You can't force "advancement" on anyone, it comes from free will, self determination and popular thinking on their part, and if their culture is significantly different what they deem to be "advanced" may not have any bearing on what you consider to be. You are trying to make an absolute out of a relative position.
Originally posted by Muaddib
The fact of the matter is, this is a public forum and it has rules, part of that rule is "to stay on topic"... We are also trying to "ideny ignorance" supposedly, you don't deny ignorance by making # up and bashing and blaming a country like the U.S....much less when the thread is about people being hanged in Iran because the Iranian regime claims they were plotting "soft revolutions"....
Yes, people are entitled to define their own future, but i also have a right to state my opinion on what I think on a certain issue.... This is a "public forum after all.... or are you trying to "advocate censorship when people's opinions differ from your own"?......
Originally posted by Muaddib
much less when the thread is about people being hanged in Iran because the Iranian regime claims they were plotting "soft revolutions"....
Originally posted by yanchek
The Iranian regime claims they are executing people who commited rape, kidnapping, theft and committing indecent act.
The Guardian article (and you) claims Iranian regime is executing political dissidents.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Oh and BTW nefermore, you are from England, so because of your country's past agressions, which are far worse than the U.S. has done, you shouldn't be trying to criticize the U.S..... After all your country was even opressing the American colonies and tried to supress Americans to your country's will...
Originally posted by grover
However, the United States imprisons far more people from a wider number of crimes than any other of the so-called first world nations, and we are the only one among them who still execute so really, we have no room to criticize Iran. We try some as adults well under the age of majority based on their crimes and it it weren't for a supreme court ruling we would continue executing the mentally impaired and challenged with impunity.
We are not so civilized.
Originally posted by grover
BTW you have shown in repeated posts Muaddib that you are extremely biased and prejudiced against both Muslims in general and Iranians especially so don't try and hide your bigotry by claiming those who disagree with you are bashing America.
Originally posted by neformore
Have I criticised the US in this thread?
If so please show me where.
If not, apologise for making assumptions.
Originally posted by neformore
So if an Iranian stands up and accuses the US of being evil because of its Human Rights Record, the fact that it uses the Death Penalty and the fact that it carried out a completley unprovoked attack against a sovereign nation then they'd be perfectly justified in their opinion I guess?
news.amnesty.org...
China continues to be the world's top executioner. Amnesty International recorded more than 1,000 executions in China in 2006.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
If you can't be bothered to check your facts, at least display some self-preservation instinct by moderating your statements and the tone in which they're delivered. Word to the wise...
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
muaddib
It appears that there was a lot of repetition in your post, so I'm not going to go quote by quote. For the sake of brevity - I've concluded that we disagree on the sort of cases where the death penalty is an acceptable sentence, and little else pertaining to this discussion.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
People bring up America because they want y'all to understand the concept of hypocrisy. If there's one thing that can help every human being equally, it's the ability to see the flaws of others in themselves. It's not designed to excuse the misdeeds of Iranians, but to illustrate how we might all learn a lesson from this story, and better ourselves.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
"I disagree with the execution of 16 yr old girls, so maybe I should open my ears the next time someone tells me they disagree with the execution of x..."