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reply posted on 27-8-2007 @ 02:30 PM by grover
reply to post by on_yur_6


That is not what I said or implied. I was not comparing one or the other I was saying that justice is what we say it is. Justice in the U.S. includes the death penalty... In the EU it does not etc. Its a pretty straight forward analogy I would think.

[edit on 27-8-2007 by grover]


reply posted on 30-8-2007 @ 05:33 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by WyrdeOne

Hold on a second...

The NPC has, what, more than 150 members? One guy estimates 10,000 people executed, and it's to be taken as gospel? No indication of where he gets his numbers, no evidence, just one Chinese guy screaming in the wind.



...Yes hold on a second... First of all we are talking about a country that sees the death penalty as a state secret so they will try to keep it a secret, in which case someone who works for that same government would know a bit better what "the human right groups are able to gather from what little evidence they might be able to get...

Second of all since in China politics are taken a lot more serious than for example in the U.S. where people can make allegations and most often nothing happens to them, I kind of have to wonder what a government official in China would gain by lying, or exagerating...

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I've seen some very high estimates, and I grant that they could be accurate, but I don't know and neither do you.


The fact that "executions in China are a state secret is a big hint that the numbers are much higher than what western groups are able to estimate.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
......... they're not going to go out on a limb and state 10,000 as fact since they can't verify the estimate of that one nutter.


Ah riiight...so now he is a "government nutter"?..... How ironic coming from someone posting on a "conspiracy board" about a country which has been and still is more opressive than any western nation....


Originally posted by WyrdeOne
If I were you, I would follow their example.

What would you do if I posted a link to a quote by one American academic stating that the US gov intentionally poisons the poor, to the tune of 10,000 a year? I think I know what your reaction would be...


There are some problems with your trying to find similarities between the U.S. government and the Chinese government, and the fallacy that you are trying to dismiss the statement of this Chinese government official by bringing up what "an American academic claims"....

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
It's not kosher if you only agree with wild, unsubstantiated statements that shore up your own position.

Just sayin'...


Except that in China there is an intoleracy towars "political dissent", as for example....

For the past 16 years, she and a few others who lost sons and daughters during the 1989 Tiananmen massacre have been calling on the government to apologise.

But in response, these women, known as the Tiananmen Mothers, have faced imprisonment, house-arrest, phone-tapping and constant surveillance.

Since late February this year, as Beijing prepared for the annual meeting of China's parliament, it was almost impossible to get through by telephone to any of the known dissidents inside China.

news.bbc.co.uk...

I wonder what a government official living in a country like China would gain from making false allegations and exagerating when we know what happens to political dissent in China........

Just saying.........................................................................
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