Muaddib
Again, you seem to want to dismiss that Amnesty themselves provided a quote from one of China's senior officers who works in the highest state in
China saying they execute around 10,000 people.....
Hold on a second...
The NPC has, what, more than 150 members? One guy estimates 10,000 people executed, and it's to be taken as gospel? No indication of where he gets
his numbers, no evidence, just one Chinese guy screaming in the wind.
I've seen some very high estimates, and I grant that they could be accurate, but I don't know and neither do you.
I am not going to post it again since I have already done it twice explaining it yet somehow it seems that your eyes do not see those excerpts and
where the informaiton comes from...
I see exactly where the information comes from - a member of the NPC. Amnesty includes his unsubstantiated statement as a high water mark, indicative
of some of the larger estimates (after further investigation I've seen unsubstantiated estimates as high as 15,000!). Amnesty was only able to log
1770 executions that year - they're not going to go out on a limb and state 10,000 as fact since they can't verify the estimate of that one
nutter.
If I were you, I would follow their example.
What would you do if I posted a link to a quote by one American academic stating that the US gov intentionally poisons the poor, to the tune of 10,000
a year? I think I know what your reaction would be...
It's not kosher if you only agree with wild, unsubstantiated statements that shore up your own position.
Just sayin'...
The whole issue in that particular case was about the 10,000 Chinese people being executed.... You have been shown where that figure comes from, yet
it seems as if to you that figure, the excerpts and links given to back it up do not exist..... Which only shows your inability to acknowledge you
were wrong.
I should have just smacked my head into a brick wall three or four dozen times and called it a day.
As I've said before - the 10,000 figure is not Amnesty - they reference it but only in passing. As far as the investigative wing of Amnesty has been
able to determine, China executed 1770 people that year.
If you would have simply stated you were wrong this particular argument would have ended right there....
Sorry, I can't admit I'm wrong until it happens. Not for you, not for anyone else.
Prove me wrong on anything and I'll gladly genuflect, happy to have some of my own ignorance dispelled, but that hasn't happened here, no matter how
many times you or your fan club say it has.
It is totally different for example to have the death penalty against known murderers, than having the death penalty for a 16 year old for having a
sharp mouth....or being executed for having a difference of opinion from the regime of Iran....
I still haven't seen any evidence that having a difference of opinion gets you killed in Iran. There are Jewish communities, religious minority
communities, ex-pat communities, and these groups have few issues with the law.
There's more to the story of the 16 year old than her sharp tongue, and you know it. There's nothing that justifies her execution, but there's a
lot more to be said about that story.
And once again, since you missed it the last time, that never would have happened in a more reasonable area of the country. She had the miserable
luck of living in one of the more repressive regions. You make it seem as though the entire country of Iran thinks and acts as one - this just isn't
the case.
The fact that the Mullahs approved this execution is not surprising, since they were given the information on which they based their decision by the
very people who wanted the girl dead - the judge and the corrupt moral police. The judge and the moral police needed this girl to die, or they would
lose most/all of what little credibility they had.
I don't see how you or anyone else can draw conclusions about the nation of Iran using that one case. You should have noticed that the popular
sentiment was quite different than the party line, in the wake of her execution...
Because i am a proponent of the death penalty against known murderers, and even rapists, doesn't mean I must agree with the death penalty of 16 year
old girls whose only transition is "having a sharp mouth".... or having to agree with the death penalty of people's whose only transgression is
having a different opinion than the regime in Iran....
You keep saying that people are executed for a difference of opinion, but that's a gross oversimplification and a disingenuous end-run around the
issue of the rule of law. If I steal a car, and argue against the justification for the law when I get brought before a judge, I haven't got a
chance. You
could say I was jailed for a difference of opinion, but that wouldn't really be true, would it?
People are free to disagree as to what constitutes a capital crime, and they're free to disagree as to what constitutes a crime at all, but
disagreeing with the law doesn't insulate you against it.
I'm not exactly opposed to the death penalty in extreme cases (rape, murder, child abuse, attempted murder, armed robbery...) - if a citizen doesn't
appreciate society and won't moderate their behavior according to the needs of society, then they don't deserve to live in society. Let them live
outside the walls, so to speak, if they want to act like that...
I would prefer exile, but there's nowhere left to put these people.
