ECETI, James Gilliland - Excellent and Controversial Conference

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

So you mean, you purposely kept yourself in ignorance, T0by?

Yes, yes I did.
I'm just not ready for information such as EXTREMELY advanced interdimensional beings.
Maybe when i'm spiritually enlightened enough, i'll be able to handle it.
But right now, it feels like if i look at that picture for too long it will tear apart my mind/body and soul at quantum levels because i'm just not strong enough yet.

Seriously though, if anyone actually visits this guy and has any interesting experiences I'd love to hear about it.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Appeal to Authority. "I've been doing this for 30 years, I'M THE EXPERT. Don't listen to these other guys, trust ME. These other people only want your MONEY, I'm here to protect you...."

That's right. I will trust the views of someone who has actually studied the issue over those who have been 'into' UFOs for a few months, still gaga eyed, but with absolutely no background, no understanding, no recognition that this is the same-o same-o coming around for the umpeenth time in an attempt to wow the ignorant and separate them from some hard-earned money. Experience counts. The young discount that because they have none. They simply do not understand the issue.

Proof has been requested repeatedly. All we get are people saying, "I've seen this stuff. I know and you don't." Well, let's see a vid. And we get a few non-descript lights in the sky or bugs. You SAY these lights responded to lasers or turned in impossible directions, but you can't show any of it. Orbs? No thanks. UFO's 'powering up'? Made up nonsense. You are basing your beliefs on very flimsy ground and are being led by charlatans willing to take advantage of your naivete. You do not have a handle on Truth, as you seem to think.

That's one reason no one else believes you. Orbs are not credible. My suggestion to you is to broaden your horizons. If you are interested in all this, read more about it. Look in a book as much as you look up. The best thing you could do for yourself is get more educated. All I can do is suggest. I suspect you are too far gone, at least for now. When nothing happens because of these pursuits, over and over again, perhaps that will temper your enthusiasm. Then again, perhaps you will be happiest surrounded by the paranoid and schizoid who share your world view.

Right now, you've invested in a tin foil hat, and all that that entails. Good luck to you. I send you no ill will.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
The link has already been provided in the thread - twice. Once by Michael Knight and once by me. Weren't you paying attention?

I made the effort and went back through the thread to find the pictures you were mentioning. As I expected they were laughable.

I explained how the photo was taken and suggested that you followed my instructions to prove it to yourself. As usual you chose to deny the truth and ignore the challenge. So I've made the effort yet again, and done it for you.

Here we see an 'orb' storm, a plasmoid armada, -



You can clearly see 'bearded masters', 'souls of the dead', 'vectored spacecraft', 'transient alien beings' (feel free to add your own interpretation). See that one centre left - that's a 'healing orb', one of those hovered over a limbless man and he regrew his arms and legs, and the one to the right of that has travelled all the way from Uranus, MrdD!

This is an example of the water-spray technique which is being used on Gilliland's ranch to deceive the attendees, to fool the not-so-clever people, to mislead the sheepish followers, to betray the wooly-minded. I haven't made my mind up yet, MrdD, whether you are one of the deceivers or one of the deceived.

photo taken 15 minutes ago in my home. Try it yourself, Mrdb. Then go film Venus - I've done that too - and hey, it even powers up and down!!

ps- add a bit of colour to the water for Pleiadian craft



[edit on 23-8-2007 by torsion]

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
And debunkers also serve to harass and discredit genuine good people who are trying to tell others the TRUTH.

Here's my take on it:

And debunkers also serve to harass and discredit fradulent Cults who are trying to sell others insidious LIES.

Originally posted by torsion
Here we see an 'orb' storm, a plasmoid armada, -
You can clearly see 'bearded masters', 'souls of the dead', 'vectored spacecraft', 'transient alien beings' (feel free to add your own interpretation).

I see it. I see them all!

There's even a communication-light-anchor-being in there as well! Torsion, you've flipped! Now they're visiting you too!

Seriously, I love the effect. I have my own pictures with 'orbs' as well. I feel so special that I was able to capture dust motes in the prime of their Universal-Peace-Existence. Mind you, they weren't very diplomatic when I tried to theorise exo-political views with them... It was a fairly one-sided conversation.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
And debunkers also serve to harass and discredit genuine good people who are trying to tell others the TRUTH.

HOW can you so arrogantly claim to know THE TRUTH? What is it about your short life that leads you to believe you have stumbled upon THE TRUTH where others, many of whom who have been studying the issue longer than you've been alive, have not? ET claims to know THE TRUTH after a max of 18 months of even being interested. Fast track to enlightenment.

I know of no person who has dedicated their entire life to enlightenment who proclaims THE TRUTH in such an arrogant tone. The one trait that characterizes people who actully DO dedicate their life to a search for truth is their humility. Baba Ram Das is a good example. As far as I can tell, you have no humility at all.

Have you ever had a conversation with what one would call a "Jesus Freak?" or perhaps someone who belongs to the Hare Krishnas? I have a cousin who is so into Jesus that he is absolutely convinced anyone who does not believe exactly as he does, that does not accept Jesus as his true Savior, renounce his sins and give his heart to the worship of God and Jesus is condemned to eternal hell and damnation. Period. End of Story. So if you're a Muslim, you are going to hell. If you are a Buddhist, you are going to hell. If you are anything but what he is, you are going to hell. When you talk to him it sounds like he is mesmerized. He just doesn't hear anything else. His proselytizing got so bad that the USAF asked him to leave, passed him over for promotion. Now he flies rubber dog poop from Hong Kong in some sort of off-beat cargo airline. He is an Air Force Academy graduate. It wrecked his career.

When you guys claim to know THE TRUTH you sound just like my cousin, and that's why some of us call what you proselytize a cult. You have a charismatic leader. You repeat what he says as gospel truth. You believe that it is THE TRUTH.

I'm sure you are good people. I'm sure your heart is in the right place. But your mind has taken a trip to Fantasyland. I maintain that you do NOT know THE TRUTH any more than anyone else. If all you have is some silly orbs and some lights in the sky from which you can proclaim THE TRUTH I truly feel sorry for you.

[edit on 8/23/2007 by schuyler]

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I'm sure he woudln't see that as the laws of cause and effect,
he'd see it as a test from god.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Appeal to Authority. "I've been doing this for 30 years, I'M THE EXPERT. Don't listen to these other guys, trust ME. These other people only want your MONEY, I'm here to protect you...."

That's right. I will trust the views of someone who has actually studied the issue over those who have been 'into' UFOs for a few months, still gaga eyed, but with absolutely no background, no understanding,

"A few months"? Hardly. Some of these issues, like the spiritual ones, I have studied off and on my whole life.

How do you know people like torsion have studied UFOs for 30 years? Because he SAYS he has? You trust his opinion over all others because he SAYS he's an expert and he's on our side? It never occurs to you to question HIS motives, HIS agenda? It never occurs to you that HE might be getting paid to push a certain agenda? ("Sorry, still no evidence of ETs...... nothing to see here, you didn't see anything out of the ordinary, move along now....... there is no ET presence or visitation going on, move along now, OR ELSE......")

No recognition that this is the same-o same-o coming around for the umpeenth time in an attempt to wow the ignorant and separate them from some hard-earned money.

NONSENSE, in this particular example, Gilliland charges NOTHING for people to come to his ranch and experience these things. That's the whole point! People rage against Greer for charging to experience UFOs - but Gilliland's ranch is FREE.

Proof has been requested repeatedly. All we get are people saying, "I've seen this stuff. I know and you don't." Well, let's see a vid. And we get a few non-descript lights in the sky or bugs. You SAY these lights responded to lasers or turned in impossible directions, but you can't show any of it. Orbs? No thanks. UFO's 'powering up'? Made up nonsense. You are basing your beliefs on very flimsy ground and are being led by charlatans willing to take advantage of your naivete.

Yes I get it, you demand PROOF.

The problem is, you expect that PROOF to come in the form of photos or video footage!

People will cry "hoax!" no matter WHAT kind of photos or footage are presented. Photos can be photoshopped. Footage can be edited and computer generated. Greer and Gilliland could present footage of ordinary metallic ships landing and little grey men coming out, and people would go "Oh that was SO obviously done with costumes and makeup and special effects and CGI - Liars! Hoaxers! Charlatans!" (Steven Spielberg did it 30 years ago already, HELLOOOOO.....)

Haven't you figured this out yet?

The IMPORTANT evidence is the WITNESSES.

THINK about it. We often execute people or put them in jail for life, all on the strength of witness testimony! Our whole legal system is based on eyewitnesses to a large degree.

Greer has hundreds of witnesses behind him, so does Gilliland. I don't care what any of you say, that is strong evidence. Those of you sitting and waiting for proof to come in the form of photos or footage are fools, sorry to say.

You do not have a handle on Truth, as you seem to think.

I don't have a handle on ALL Truth, but I have been privy to some truths that many of you have not.

You all like to ridicule and dismiss spiritual things as "New Age mumbo jumbo". Well I've actually been out there amongst groups of people holding hands and praying/meditating and singing and playing guitars etc, and I've seen some pretty weird and amazing things happen!

I personally know people who have the Gift of Tongues, like they can start speaking or singing in other languages. I personally know people who have had miraculous healings happen, like they literally went to a doctor or specialist who said, "This kind of recovery is impossible, this is a medical miracle".

You know how on Benny Hinn and shows like that, he'll clap people on the forehead and they go crashing to the ground? That is REAL, it's called "resting in the Spirit", and I personally had to help ease down an enormous 300LB woman as she collapsed to the ground, so overcome by the power of God was she!

I know that the power of prayer is real, especially when groups of people pray together with the same intent, because I've SEEN and EXPERIENCED it. To me, it's not a stretch at all that prayer/meditation could summon spirits or interdimensional beings or ETs - and indeed such a thing would be a wondrous source of joy and hope!

I just find it tragic and pathetic that so many on here have completely closed their minds and hearts off to such things, and prefer to sit around debunking photos and footage..... (GAACKKK)

Then again, perhaps you will be happiest surrounded by the paranoid and schizoid who share your world view.

Namecalling now? For shame Sky.....

Right now, you've invested in a tin foil hat, and all that that entails. Good luck to you.

Yep. Thanks.

Goodbye.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Greer has hundreds of witnesses behind him, so does Gilliland. I don't care what any of you say, that is strong evidence.

Besides, Richard, Tock and ETDisclosure, I've seen very few other people support Cult Greer.

You claim that Cult Greer has hundreds of witnesses behind it. Ok, so give a list of names and contact details of at least one hundred of them, so we can personally write to them.

Unless you can prove that the G-Cults have hundreds of witnesses, then they don't.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Gilliland's ranch is FREE.

It may well be free to wander around his ranch but are there any discreet requests for donations, or do burly collectors come round with a donation bucket? Perhaps, perhaps not. But please don't pretend this isn't about money.

Here's a motley crew of 'spiritual' characters. It only costs $295 to listen to these people. David Icke is there placed next to Gilliland. Icke often accuses celebrities of the heinous crime of paedophilia. Kathy O'Brien is there, too - she who claims to have been sexually abused as a child in the Whitehouse! Despite their supposed disgust with child molestation and infant rape they're both happy to share a platform with Micael Ledwith, himself an alleged pederast - strange, don't you think, how morals and principles crumble when the dollars are on the table?

If you don't want to spend $295 why not go for Gilliland's $125 telephone chat, or his $20 dvd of blu tac and water spray?

You are only deluding yourself if you think these people are spiritual in any way. They only want your money and they have no qualms about poisoning your soul in order to extract it from you.

Originally posted by torsion

Here we see an 'orb' storm, a plasmoid armada, -
This is an example of the water-spray technique which is being used on Gilliland's ranch to deceive the attendees, to fool the not-so-clever people, to mislead the sheepish followers, to betray the wooly-minded. I haven't made my mind up yet, MrdD, whether you are one of the deceivers or one of the deceived.

Nice pic, although all your Orbs are the same color! Gilliland's pics have Orbs of many different colors all at once, so you still haven't reproduced the exact effect.

Also, you STILL haven't come up with any kind of rebuttal for the fact that many Orbs and UFOs ONLY show up in the Infra-Red! Special Infra-Red dust and raindrops....?

Again, this FACT is demonstrated over and over in "UFO : Greatest Story". Trevor James Constable demonstrates it plain as night and day, and also it is seen in the famous NASA STS-75 "Tether" footage - where the astronauts in the shuttle who only have a regular camera see nothing, whereas the people at Houston who are getting the Infra-Red feed see DOZENS of Orbs and UFOs!

You haven't come up with a rebuttal for this FACT, because you CAN'T.

Dust and raindrops would show up on regular cameras AND in the Infra-Red, all the time, no matter what. Why do some Orbs and UFOs ONLY show up in the Infra-Red, torsion?

ANSWER MY QUESTION please....

Originally posted by schuyler
Have you ever had a conversation with what one would call a "Jesus Freak?" or perhaps someone who belongs to the Hare Krishnas? I have a cousin who is so into Jesus that he is absolutely convinced anyone who does not believe exactly as he does, that does not accept Jesus as his true Savior, renounce his sins and give his heart to the worship of God and Jesus is condemned to eternal hell and damnation. Period. End of Story.
....

Oh, please - equating me to a hardcore Jesus freak?

I have said over and over again that religious doctrine and dogma do not matter.

What's important is the experience of our One-ness with God, the Universe, Nature, and each other. This is manifested in ALL different major religions and traditions. Those who get all caught up in pushing one dogma or doctrine over all others, like arguing the true name of God, or which God is the true God, or whether Jesus existed and whether he was the "Son of God" etc, are on the wrong path.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Greer has hundreds of witnesses behind him, so does Gilliland. I don't care what any of you say, that is strong evidence.

Besides, Richard, Tock and ETDisclosure, I've seen very few other people support Cult Greer.

Likely because people see how Greer supporters get treated on here so they don't even bother trying. Anyone who DARES to post in support of Greer instantly has an army of five or six vul -- debunkers on him, picking apart his every utterance, and all giving each others' every utterance stars so it looks like they're "winning" all the time. One of the debunkers can fart into the thread and it gets four stars! Amazing!

You claim that Cult Greer has hundreds of witnesses behind it. Ok, so give a list of names and contact details of at least one hundred of them, so we can personally write to them.

Have you ever bothered to ask Cult Greer for a list of witness contact information, tezzajw? Has torsion? Has schuyler? Has Fry? Has Kaminski?

Or does everyone expect me to do the necessary legwork and diplomacy, as always?

Lots of ridicule, lots of complaining, NO real action. Yawn.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Gilliland's ranch is FREE.

It may well be free to wander around his ranch but are there any discreet requests for donations, or do burly collectors come round with a donation bucket? Perhaps, perhaps not. But please don't pretend this isn't about money.
.....
You are only deluding yourself if you think these people are spiritual in any way. They only want your money and they have no qualms about poisoning your soul in order to extract it from you.

AGAIN with the money card.

Why do you fight so hard to prevent people from going there to check it out, torsion? Are you worried about the prospect of several credible members of this community going to investigate the Sanctuary....? If they're as fraudulent as you say, you should have nothing to worry about.............

Gilliland's pics have Orbs of many different colors all at once, so you still haven't reproduced the exact effect.

Mix some tiny coloured flakes into the aerosol and voilá - multicolored orb madness. Have you tried it Mrd ?

and also it is seen in the famous NASA STS-75 "Tether" footage

Now wait please. Orbs are giant starships in quantum energy mumbo jumbo field state, that's why they're so small, right ? The "tether orb" is quite large...so is this a small spaceship in the same state ? The infrared touch is bogus as well, again check here or here or here. These are documents of people, who actually did the research for themselves, instead of believing some cult leaders.
I guess, you don't really understand, what infrared imagery means. Of course, other things can be seen, when using the infrared spectrum.

What's important is the experience of our One-ness with God, the Universe, Nature, and each other.

Yes, i witnessed the feeling of one-ness between the cultists and the rest of humanity several times during the last weeks. Continuous name calling, complete ignorance of facts, a very selective perception and plain lieing seem to be the strongest indicators of one-ness with everything. Good to know that.

Have you ever bothered to ask Cult Greer for a list of witness contact information, tezzajw? Has torsion? Has schuyler? Has Fry? Has Kaminski?

Mrd, YOU are the one that claims, that there are thousands of witnesses behind greer. It's your task, to proof your claims, not ours. If i would claim to have a hot venusian starlet in my basement, would it be your task to proof that ? Surely not, you could say, i'm lieing and all available evidence would proof you right. In the same way, until you can proof anything, i call your claims lies.

Lots of ridicule, lots of complaining, NO real action. Yawn.

Lots of stories, lots of lies, no real facts. yeah, really. yawn. No action ? Oh come on, i heard lots of "pls ats mods make a deal with greer", "pls someone else go there for me and testify about it", "pls tell me, what you have seen there, i'll believe you". When action is presented to you , as was the case with Mike Jamieson for example, you choose to ignore them. You still remember the "just one negative comment" story ?

AGAIN with the money card.

Of course, that's what it's about. Did you check the "michael knight" page ?

Have fun and a great weekend, everyone.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Nice pic, although all your Orbs are the same color! Gilliland's pics have Orbs of many different colors all at once, so you still haven't reproduced the exact effect.

Go back and look again. You can see a blue one and a pink one! What planet would Gilliland swear that the had come from?

AGAIN with the money card.

Yes, you're quite right, the money card. They're all after your money and you are entirely free to donate as much as you wish.

Why do you fight so hard to prevent people from going there to check it out, torsion? Are you worried about the prospect of several credible members of this community going to investigate the Sanctuary....? If they're as fraudulent as you say, you should have nothing to worry about.............

Who's trying to stop people going to Gilliland's chicken ranch, or Greer's moth farm? The more people that go the more people will reveal it to be a scam. Most, however will hide in shame and not admit to being part of it. Who's going to admit to having attended in the hope of seeing the 'bearded master' floating inside an orb and only witnessing a ranch official spraying an aerosol everytime another official took a snap shot?

All I'm doing is revealing the fraudsters and charlatans and liars. These guys know that no matter how many of their lies are exposed there are still enough narrow-minded gullibles out there who will still believe they are sincere.

I gotta say I had a good look around google, and can't seem to find any dirt on the guy at all...

I'm kind of surprised, given the overly spiritual vibe of the whole thing and the pictures on the site. You'd think someone would actually go there and call it crap.

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With "evidence" like

and

, what's to debunk ? Orbs are already completely debunked and he doesn't really present much more, besides the Extremely Advanced Interdimensional Beings coming out ot the plasma field.

I guess, this says it all :

Gilliland also says that he has been in communication with St. Germain, Archangel Michael, Archangel Gabriel, Jesus, Buddha, Mother Mary, Ramtha, and Cazekiel, his main contact whom Gilliland says is also known as Ezekiel.

taken from UFO Magazine 22. Hallelujah !

[edit on 24-8-2007 by Phil J. Fry]

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry

Have you ever bothered to ask Cult Greer for a list of witness contact information, tezzajw? Has torsion? Has schuyler? Has Fry? Has Kaminski?

Mrd, YOU are the one that claims, that there are thousands of witnesses behind greer. It's your task, to proof your claims, not ours.

Nope. It was tezzajw who offered to start writing to Greer's witnesses. So tezzajw should take 5 minutes to send an email off to them to get the list of witnesses.

But of course, he'd rather do nothing, but sit around and chant "CULT! CULT! CULT! CULT!".....

Lots of ridicule, lots of complaining, NO real action. Yawn.

Lots of stories, lots of lies, no real facts. yeah, really. yawn. No action ? Oh come on, i heard lots of "pls ats mods make a deal with greer",

Nope. It was Springer who first offered to host photos/footage from CSETI trainings. I only chimed in and said "Great! You should talk to CSETI about that!" - since they are the ones that have the rights to the photos/footage.

"pls someone else go there for me and testify about it",

Yes, a longtime respected member that the community would trust to tell the truth. Someone of similar stature to, but NOT actually, Gazrok.

If I went, and came back and testified that CSETI is the real deal, do you really think the community would believe me? Hah!

Richard and ETD testified that CSETI is the real deal - does the community believe them?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Have you ever bothered to ask Cult Greer for a list of witness contact information, tezzajw? Has torsion? Has schuyler? Has Fry? Has Kaminski?

You're making the claim that Cult Greer has hundreds of witnesses. If you want the claim to be taken seriously, then you will support it with contact details for the hundreds of witnesses.

MrdDstrbr, I have three thousand people that U2U me here on a daily basis. They are my supporting witnesses and they are all anti-Cult Greer. Do you believe me? Of course not. I wouldn't expect you to, unless I gave you permission to look in my U2U box to verify the claim.

(By the way, that claim was false. I was only providing an example.)