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Originally posted by FlaBama
As I’ve said in a couple of other posts in other threads, I’m new here and just beginning to “learn.” This thread about underground facilities got me thinking…
I’ve worked on an Air Force contract my entire life. In the 80’s I was working in electronic security, and we had to make a series of TDY trips to a base in the Midwest that was having a problem with their exterior security system generating a massive amount of false alarms. We were assured that the problem was due to the fact that the entire base, and most all of the land for miles and miles outside of the base, was laid on top of a massive underground cavern that transmitted natural disturbances from miles away like they were occurring right in the immediate area of the system.
This thread got me curious about just how big that cavern was, but when I found the map linked below of caverns in the USA, the area we were in doesn’t show any caverns anywhere around. Since geologists proved there was one underneath us, and our system proved something was very different about that area, I now wonder if it was a man-made facility, or a link to this underground network you are all talking about. I was in the eastern part of Arkansas.
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
where is ALANP`s " vent cluster " ? did he tell you , did you even ask ?
I didn't even know about the vent cluster until you mentioned it, I'll ask him.
quote: Originally posted by ignorant_ape
but for now lets stick to the one verifiable peice of evidence in his claim :
the vent cluster . where is it ????????????????????
IGNORANT_APE! Nice to hear from you! I thought that the 15 seconds of fame I generously gave to you on the Geoge Noory show I would have received at least an acknowledgement if not an all out thank you. Its not like in the rest of your lifetime your name will ever reach 14 million people.
And don't try to use the excuse "I don't listen to that show John!" We all know that not only do you listen, particularly when I'm on, but you also probably take notes. I'll just assume the oversight is due to your usual bad manners.
But the reason I am posting to you here is that I am meeting with 2 persons involved in the Dulce story over the next few weeks. One claims to have some pictures. I look forward to these meetings but I doubt, even if I were able to produce a picture or co-ordinates of a vent cluster that they would be acceptable as proof that Dulce existed.
But its there.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
where is ALANP`s " vent cluster " ? did he tell you , did you even ask ?
I didn't even know about the vent cluster until you mentioned it, I'll ask him.
Oh really ??
quote: Originally posted by ignorant_ape
but for now lets stick to the one verifiable peice of evidence in his claim :
the vent cluster . where is it ????????????????????
IGNORANT_APE! Nice to hear from you! I thought that the 15 seconds of fame I generously gave to you on the Geoge Noory show I would have received at least an acknowledgement if not an all out thank you. Its not like in the rest of your lifetime your name will ever reach 14 million people.
And don't try to use the excuse "I don't listen to that show John!" We all know that not only do you listen, particularly when I'm on, but you also probably take notes. I'll just assume the oversight is due to your usual bad manners.
But the reason I am posting to you here is that I am meeting with 2 persons involved in the Dulce story over the next few weeks. One claims to have some pictures. I look forward to these meetings but I doubt, even if I were able to produce a picture or co-ordinates of a vent cluster that they would be acceptable as proof that Dulce existed.
But its there.
funny how you responded yo my question
you have previously made condesending attacks on other people because you claimed they had not read the thread or asked a repeat question
do you even read your own posts ???????
Originally posted by johnlear
WOW ignorant_ape you sure got me there!!! I must be drinking too much of my own grape juice.
So what about it? Do I get any thanks for making you famous on C2C?
Originally posted by T0byThat's really interesting!
What exactly were your systems saying about the area? like what kind of disturbances?
You're very believeable and would love to hear more, if theres anything else you can say.
WOW ignorant_ape you sure got me there!!! I must be drinking too much of my own grape juice.
So what about it? Do I get any thanks for making you famous on C2C?
Originally posted by johnlear
Tim,
You are off topic. If you have questions for me they should be posted on the "Questions for John Lear" thread. Thanks.
Dulce, New Mexico Revisited - Mysteries Still Remain!!
by Norio Hayakawa March 28, 2007
DULCE, NEW MEXICO - On Sunday, March 25, I finally arrived at Dulce,
New Mexico once again, after more than 17 years. It was a long drive
from Los Angeles but it was definitely a worthwhile trip. The last
time that I was at this "mysterious" little town was in March of 1990.
I will never forget that 1990 visit when I first brought a Japanese TV
crew, incredible as it may sound, to document an alleged existence of
an "underground U.S./alien joint bio-lab" which was rumored to exist
deep under the Archuleta Mesa, adjacent to Dulce. While interviewing
many Jicarilla Apache locals on the street at that visit, we were
inexplicably detained by the then Police Chief, Hoyt Velarde and kept
at his office for almost an hour and a half, during which time he had
meticulously taken down our personal info, i.e., our ID's, driver's
licence numbers and, in my case, even my Soc. Sec. number, if I recall
correctly. It was a shock to us then. We had asked him if we were
doing anything illegal by interviewing the people, the question to
which he never responded. I clearly remember that just before he
released us, he told us in a rather warning tone: "Don't you ever ask
any more questions regarding such a base. I have nothing to do with
it and I do not want to talk about it!" An enigmatic answer, indeed.
That was in March of 1990.
Now here I am once again, in Dulce. It brought me back lots of
memories of 1990. However, this time, as soon as I drove in to Dulce,
I immediately noticed that it had completely changed since 1990.
It seems to have grown quite a lot, not so much in terms of
population, but in terms of its physical appearance. There are now so
many new buildings, large and small and many modern local community
facilites - a brand new Middle School, a brand new High School, a
new Students' Athletic Complex, brand new Police and Maintenance
Center, a modern Emergency Medical Service facility, and on the south
side, a brand new Student's Residential Complex, and, of course, a
newly refurbished Best Western Hotel, all in the small community of
less than 3500 residents.
Yes, it has been many years, so it would seem natural for some growth
to take place. However, the question I began to think was where did
all the funds for all these developments come from? Certainly, not
just from revenue from natural resources (oil and gas) and a small
casino. And, especially, for such a tiny town?
When I interviewed the locals in 1990, I clearly remember that almost
every one of them had testified to us that in the late 70's and the
early 80's, they had frequently observed strange lights in the sky,
especially flying over and around, and even appearing to disappear
into the sides of the Mesa. They even testified to us that they also
frequently observed military helicopters over Dulce, along with
reports of cattle mutilations in the ranches nearby. Those were the
things we heard back then when we were in Dulce in 1990.
To my great surprise, sightings still seem to continue in and around
Dulce, even now!!
Even recent sightings of what many describe as "Bigfoot" along the
Navajo River is also a fairly new topic of conversation in Dulce now.
I was so fortunate this time to personally get to know a friendly
family who lives in the northwest area of the town. I had gotten to
know the husband while I was attending the UFO syposium in Aztec the
weekend before. During my three days of stay in Dulce this time, I
have obtained many new, fascinating sighting reports from many locals
again, particularly from the family that I just mentioned and their
relatives.
On my second day of stay in Dulce, this family invited me to their
residence for a great meal. They had also invited their relatives who
were willing to describe to me in detail many strange experiences they
have had and even are having now.
It was assuring to know that the family that I befriended were
immediate relatives of high officials of the Jicarilla Apache tribe.
The husband was a son of the former head of the Police Department (way
before Hoyt Velarde). His wife is an immediate family of the head of
the Jicarilla Apache tribal council. His sister-in-law has been a
Dulce Police dispatcher. For this reason, I will refrain from naming
any individuals to protect their privacy.
My friend's wife told me of a fairly recent incident whereby a huge,
silent delta-shaped dark object emitting extremely bright lights
slowly passed over a group of 50 to 75 (all their relatives) on a mesa
where they were celebrating a traditional Jicarilla Apache feast
called the "coming out" feast, a "puberty" celebration for young boys
and girls (similar to the Spanish quincenera celebration). The huge
object appeared after sundown, an hour or so after their traditional
meals had ended and after the shamans had completed their chantings
and dances. They were simply stunned to see the huge triangular
'craft' hovering only about 100 feet above the campground. The entire
area lit up like daylight. What was more amazing was that after a few
minutes of hovering over the area, it suddenly took off with a
tremendous gust of wind. Pots and pans were flying all over. Some of
the people were almost thrown off their vehicles. Fortunately, no one
was injured. Panic spread. The generators failed to re-start and all
battery-operated appliances malfunctioned, including the car radios.
Another recent incident they recounted was a daytime sighting of a
silver, saucer-shaped object at around 11 a.m., which hovered for 30
minutes right next to Hwy 537, not too far from the junction of U.S.
64, north of La Jara Lake.
One relative also recounted a recent, unforgettable sighting of a
huge, flying "triangle" near Hwy 537, near J-30 (Jicrailla Road, #30),
with some type of a "cloaking device" that almost appeared to have a
transparent body. The object was described to have been close to
half-a-mile in length!!
The biggest and most impressive sighting, however, took place in May
of 2004 when several families were celebrating together the feast on a
Jicarilla Apache campground, located at an area near J-33 and J-40,
right near the Continental Divide. Incredibly, it involved hundreds
(not just one or two objects) of brilliant objects in the night sky.
It literally filled up the entire sky, according to the testimony of
the former Dulce police dispatcher. There were close to 100 witnesses
to this incredible incident. Some even said that there were probably
close to several hundred objects in the night sky. They moved en
masse slowly from one end of the sky to the other. It was literally
an "armada" of UFOs (which exactly reminded me of the famous,
well-documented 1950 mass sightings of UFOs over Farmington, near the
Four Corners ara of New Mexico).
What was particularly fascinating about this sighting was that
everyone also saw a small fleet of military helicopters which seemed
to follow the objects. Again, car radios went dead all through the
sighting.
An interesting point is that many of the appearances of UFOs seem to
coincide with various feasts taking place in the Jicarilla Apache
reservation. Were 'they' attracted to the Jicarilla feasts?
Last but not the least of the impressive Dulce sightings involved a Jicarilla Apache Forerst Service ranger who witnessed a 'craft' of some kind enter the east side of the Archuleta Mesa through several large rocks that appeared to open (almost like a door) and in went the craft into the side of the mesa. He excitedly reported this sighting live on his microphone while he was communicating on his radio with the Forest Service station across the south side of Dulce. The ranger was stationed at the top of the Archuleta Mesa in the look-out building next to the radio communications tower. This took place a few years after a big fire destroyed many of the trees on and around
the mesa. (What is still strange about the aftermath of the fire, which they say happened about 10 years ago, is the fact that all attempts for the re-forestation have so far failed on and around the Archuleta Mesa. They just don't seem to grow, for some strange reason or other.
What is my conclusion to all these recent sightings in Dulce? These were all first-hand eyewitnesses to the events. Without doubt, I cannot help but believe that they all saw what they described to have seen. Either that or they all believe in their minds that they really saw what they said they saw. There is no other explanation.
Lastly, while in Dulce, the son of the former head of the Dulce Police department took me to the site of Project Gasbuggy. Project Gasbuggy was a rather 'strange' 1967 government project which involved a large underground nuclear explosion (29 kilotons of TNT) deep inside the high plateau area 25 miles south of Dulce, allegedly to release natural gas from deep under the ground. It was a joint project with El Paso Natural Gas Company. Is it possible that the huge nuclear explosion had created, deep, huge underground extensive caverns all over the area along with extensive natural "tunnels"?
What this has to do with the ongoing sightings of not only "UFOs" but also alleged sightings of "entities" (including fairly recent sightings of alleged 'Bigfoot' along the Navajo River near Dulce) I haven't the faintest idea. We may not necessarily be talking about purely physical phenomena but somehow intertwined with it could be some form of mass psychological phenomenon or even some form of yet unknown "interdimensional" occurrances. It's anyone's guess.
But, of course, we cannot rule out any prosaic answers. One theory is that the town of Dulce is benefitting financially by allegedly covering up the dumping of nuclear waste materials (from Los Alamos and elsewhere) into the underground cavities under Dulce and its neighboring areas and have created the entire Dulce "underground base" story as a cover story!
Whatever the case may be, it is simply fascinating!! And it is still ongoing in the "mysterious" town of Dulce, New Mexico!!
Originally posted by shadow fax
Originally posted by Ghost01
Originally posted by Staafke
The only thing I saw was a big John Lear-show...
Staafke
Don't feel bad, you're not alone!
Tim
well actually, pretty much 75% of JL's posts were replies to your endless "but but but" questions.
iAGREE. very annoying behaviour imho, hope you're not offended by that Tim.
posted by ArtemisFowl
sorry but lost people wont believe you unless you at least show a picture you must understand nobody will believe you unless you have full proof like the john titor thread they showed pictures interviews and some other stuff and half of ats believed that he was indeed from the future its very good to show photo evidence of your encounter
Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
Did anybody else besides me notice that this sites pic www.jamescasbolt.com... supposedly from Dulce was the SAME pic used in the John Titor spew?? its a pic farther back on the pages and says 'time travel equipment'
Originally posted by FlaBama
Since geologists proved there was one underneath us, and our system proved something was very different about that area, I now wonder if it was a man-made facility, or a link to this underground network you are all talking about. I was in the eastern part of Arkansas.
Also I thought John apparently met Bob Lazar after Bob started working at S4 etc..
I met Bob in the summer of 1988 with Gene Huff. Beginning in November 1988 after he called Dr. Teller for a job he had 3 security interivews. The first question on the second interview was "Do you know John Lear'. During the same month 3 friends of Bob's who still worked at LANL were given an 'unscheduled security interview'. The questions were whether ot not they knew John Lear or had talked to him. Bob was hired to work at S-4 in December. His first trip to S-4 was on December 6, 1988.
hello John, sorry if this was already answered...but I am assuming then Bob just lied when asked if he knew you?