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reply posted on 7-1-2007 @ 07:03 PM by violet
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There are no photos yet.
There are artist rendering of the craft, just added to the link below
and also:
Video of CNN interview with one of the witnesses from the O'Hare UFO sighting
Witness Video and Sketches of the Craft
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reply posted on 7-1-2007 @ 10:08 PM by Palasheea
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
BTW, here is a Picture from Nov. 7th 2006 of the Chicago Skyline that shows the Cloud layer we are discussing. (Janet S. Reed photographer.)
blogs.trb.com...
Hi,
I just thought I'd post my .02 worth on this photo you've got posted here and that it's not really a true depiction of how cloudy it looked at the
O'Hare airport on the 7th of Nov. at the time when that UFO was sighted.
I live up on the top floor of a high-rise right on Lake Erie with a view of not only the lake, but also of the Cleveland skyline that's a little
further away than the Chicago skyline of this person's high rise apt. that's shown in that photo you have posted here.
I'm just saying that most likely this photo was taken during the early morning hours because this is how it looks off my balcony too during those
days with an overcast. It's really more fog than anything else and it's just an extension of the fog that's already over the lake at that time in
the morning.
And it goes without saying that the fog clears up fairly rapidly after the sun breaks where by 9am it's usually gone.
But you would be amazed how much less cloudy and foggy it is once you drive a mile away from the lake on mornings when it's like that.
O'Hare is 20 miles NW of downtown Chicago and I'm absolutely sure that the visibility shown in photograph you are showing is no way indicative of
how it looked at the O'Hare airport at the time when that UFO sighting occured for reasons I mentioned above -- it's already a good distance from
the lake (Lake Michigan) as it is... and it was 4:30 PM when that sighting occurred. Here's a map showing where that airport is located.
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reply posted on 7-1-2007 @ 10:42 PM by violet
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The sketch on that video link I posted a couple of posts back, is really crappy ! Any old "Oval" is drawn, that has no detail and lop-sided and the
witness says how great the sketch is. That kind of threw me off and makes me more skeptical of the story.
How was it oval shaped? In it's diameter? Or the view on looking at it straight on, top to bottom? Spherical was used to describe the shape also, but
that would be a circle slightly less rounded and not really oval. Then they say it punched a round hole into the clouds, that was the exact shape and
size of it, like a cookie-cutter effect. Just wondering....
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reply posted on 7-1-2007 @ 10:45 PM by pompano
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Originally posted by violet
The sketch on that video link I posted a couple of posts back, is really crappy ! Any old "Oval" is drawn, that has no detail and lop-sided and the
witness says how great the sketch is. That kind of threw me off and makes me more skeptical of the story.
How was it oval shaped? In it's diameter? Or the view on looking at it straight on, top to bottom? Spherical was used to describe the shape also, but
that would be a circle slightly less rounded and not really oval. Then they say it punched a round hole into the clouds, that was the exact shape and
size of it, like a cookie-cutter effect. Just wondering....
[edit on 7-1-2007 by violet]
Looks like a traditional disk shaped ufo to me.
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reply posted on 7-1-2007 @ 11:41 PM by lost_shaman
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Originally posted by Palasheea
I'm just saying that most likely this photo was taken during the early morning hours because this is how it looks off my balcony too during those
days with an overcast. It's really more fog than anything else and it's just an extension of the fog that's already over the lake at that time in
the morning.
And it goes without saying that the fog clears up fairly rapidly after the sun breaks where by 9am it's usually gone.
But you would be amazed how much less cloudy and foggy it is once you drive a mile away from the lake on mornings when it's like that.
O'Hare is 20 miles NW of downtown Chicago and I'm absolutely sure that the visibility shown in photograph you are showing is no way indicative of
how it looked at the O'Hare airport at the time when that UFO sighting occured for reasons I mentioned above -- it's already a good distance from
the lake (Lake Michigan) as it is... and it was 4:30 PM when that sighting occurred.
Hey Palasheea,
We know the ceiling on Nov. 7th, 2006 was very low all day , 2,100 ft being the highest level reported all day. At 4:30 pm the ceiling was said to be
at 1,900 ft.
The Photo shown shows this low overcast layer.
Here is more information
about the weather on that day.
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 06:45 AM by violet
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Another article from Chicago Tribune reporter.Jon Hilkevitch
This has new testimonies from people who emailed him.
A man in Aurora said he came home from work on the same day as the O'Hare sighting, looked skyward in his back yard and spied a shiny round
object hovering between two masses of clouds. And then it disappeared.
"I sat on a plane at the Port Columbus, Ohio, airport for at least an hour on the afternoon of Nov. 7. This flight was scheduled to arrive at O'Hare
at 4:30 p.m. (the same time as the UFO sighting) The flight was further delayed for about another hour and circled the airport waiting to land. The
pilot was not able to provide us with a reason for the delays. My daughter said when she arrived at the airport to pick me up around 4:30 that there
were very many military personnel at the airport."
chicagotribune.com
mod edit: shortened link
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 07:43 PM by Sr Wing Commander
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Originally posted by Palasheea
I'm just saying that most likely this photo was taken during the early morning hours because this is how it looks off my balcony too during those
days with an overcast. It's really more fog than anything else and it's just an extension of the fog that's already over the lake at that time in
the morning.
And it goes without saying that the fog clears up fairly rapidly after the sun breaks where by 9am it's usually gone.
But you would be amazed how much less cloudy and foggy it is once you drive a mile away from the lake on mornings when it's like that.
O'Hare is 20 miles NW of downtown Chicago and I'm absolutely sure that the visibility shown in photograph you are showing is no way indicative of
how it looked at the O'Hare airport at the time when that UFO sighting occured for reasons I mentioned above -- it's already a good distance from
the lake (Lake Michigan) as it is... and it was 4:30 PM when that sighting occurred.
Hey Palasheea,
We know the ceiling on Nov. 7th, 2006 was very low all day , 2,100 ft being the highest level reported all day. At 4:30 pm the ceiling was said to be
at 1,900 ft.
The Photo shown shows this low overcast layer.
Here is more information
about the weather on that day.
That doesn't seem right. The sears tower only goes to about 1200 ft (I think). If the ceilling is at 1900, then the overcast layer should be ABOVE
the skyscrapers, not the skyscrapers emerging from the ceiling.
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 08:04 PM by Palasheea
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Hey Palasheea,
We know the ceiling on Nov. 7th, 2006 was very low all day , 2,100 ft being the highest level reported all day. At 4:30 pm the ceiling was said to be
at 1,900 ft.
The Photo shown shows this low overcast layer.
I'm just saying that that's fog off the lake that's shown in that photo and not clouds off this woman's balcony.
But even in this photo you can still see that there's a low cloud ceiling up in the sky.. but that white stuff that's seen below the city skyline
(actually dispersed all around in that photo) from this woman's hi-rise apartment is fog off the lake which is how it looks off the lake on mornings
like that when it's really foggy.
Believe me, I know what I'm talking about... sometimes it get's so foggy out there, when I open up my balcony doors, the fog sometimes comes and
fills my up my living room and dining room!
Anyway, no one mentioned anything about it being foggy at the O'Hare when they saw that UFO at 4:30PM -- If it was foggy too, they most definitely
would have mentioned it but it's my guess in that case they probably would not have even seen it!
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 09:03 PM by lost_shaman
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Originally posted by Sr Wing Commander
That doesn't seem right. The sears tower only goes to about 1200 ft (I think). If the ceilling is at 1900, then the overcast layer should be ABOVE
the skyscrapers, not the skyscrapers emerging from the ceiling.
Hey Sr Wing Commander,
We know that the ceiling was at 1,900 ft at 4:30pm. That would have been above the Sears tower and the Chicago Skyline , but still very low.
The highest point on the Sears tower is 1,729. The Roof is 1,450 ft 7 in . So at 4:30 pm the ceiling would have only been 171ft above the Western
Antenna of the Sears Tower.
Clearly the clouds are much lower than that on the picture from the WGN Weather blog. But still it is a picture of Chicago on Nov. 7th, 2006. And we
know that the ceiling at it highest point in the day was 2,100ft.
Here is the Picture of the day from Earthcam of Chicago Nov. 7th , 2006 taken at 12:00 Noon.
www.earthcam.com...
But that's not much help.
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 11:23 PM by Saviour Of The Real
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Sorry if this has been posted here already...
THEY'RE HERE!
( Or so we'd like to think. )
A purported UFO sighting at O'Hare gives flight to hopes that we're not alone
By Jon Hilkevitch
the Tribune's transportation reporter
Published January 7, 2007
Admittedly, those big thoughts were not on my mind when the director of a UFO-watching group first called to offer an exclusive Chicago angle on what
might be the biggest story of all humankind--a visit by an alien spaceship.
No, ET had not phoned home. But, said Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center, this was "an excellent, stunning case involving a genuine
UFO from some other part of our galaxy or our universe."
Umm... is it just me or is that a bit premature?
The rest of the article is worth a read and he concludes...
It would be nice if physical evidence existed to substantiate the claims made at O'Hare on Nov. 7. Airport surveillance cameras are trained on
the airfield, not the heavens, and FAA radar has so far turned up nothing unusual.
How is it that someone smuggled a camera cell phone into a Baghdad execution chamber to chronicle the hanging of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein
last month, but no one among the thousands of airport workers and travelers at O'Hare snapped a picture for the cosmic family photo album?
The answer, along with an explanation about how the universe works, remains a mystery. We earthlings possess inquisitive minds, but we are, after all,
only human.
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reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 11:35 PM by lost_shaman
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
By Jon Hilkevitch
the Tribune's transportation reporter
Published January 7, 2007
Admittedly, those big thoughts were not on my mind when the director of a UFO-watching group first called to offer an exclusive Chicago angle on what
might be the biggest story of all humankind--a visit by an alien spaceship.
No, ET had not phoned home. But, said Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center, this was "an excellent, stunning case involving a genuine
UFO from some other part of our galaxy or our universe."
Umm... is it just me or is that a bit premature?
Again to be fair, here is what is posted on NUFORC's site , or Davenport's side of the story.
www.nuforc.org...
Moreover, it is unclear why Mr. Hilkevitch responds to the question by saying, "...they ((i.e. Peter Davenport, Director of the National UFO
Reporting Center)) kept wanting me to say this was a visit from some other world and further proof that, uh, we, on this planet are visited regularly
by other beings..." To set the record straight on this point, no such representation was made to Mr. Hilkevitch. His claim we consider to be a
misrepresentation of the facts regarding our role in the case. We did nothing more than contact the Chicago Tribune in mid-December to apprise that
newspaper of the sighting, and to provide Mr. Hilkevitch with details of the case, to include our subjective view of the veracity of the reports, and
the apparent credibility of the witnesses. In the final analysis, once we were satisfied that the Chicago Tribune was interested in following up on
the case, we contacted eyewitnesses, to request that they contact Mr. Hilkevitch directly, if they were willing to do so.
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 12:05 AM by Saviour Of The Real
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Again to be fair, here is what is posted on NUFORC's site , or Davenport's side of the story.
I could be wrong but I assume a reporter wouldn't put something in quotes unless they had some way to back it up.
Besides, this statement alone by Davenport which is also from his web site suggests an irrational bias IMO...
DECEMBER 15, 2006 UPDATE: NUFORC has an unconfirmed report from a journalist investigating the O'Hare Airport incident of Nov. 7 (see full
details lower on page) that the FAA and the airline involved have declared that the incident did not occur. We strongly suspect a cover-up may be
starting to form.
In my book that isn't the way to win friends and influence people. I mean think about it… if you’re a witness and a team player employed by
United or the FAA and you’re not exactly sure what you saw, would you want to come forward now and possibly inadvertently advance this guy’s
agenda and bite the hand that feeds you?
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 12:50 AM by lost_shaman
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
I could be wrong but I assume a reporter wouldn't put something in quotes unless they had some way to back it up.
Shouldn't be something we should be guessing at then should it?
Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
Besides, this statement alone by Davenport which is also from his web site suggests an irrational bias IMO...
DECEMBER 15, 2006 UPDATE: NUFORC has an unconfirmed report from a journalist investigating the O'Hare Airport incident of Nov. 7 (see full
details lower on page) that the FAA and the airline involved have declared that the incident did not occur. We strongly suspect a cover-up may be
starting to form.
Well , Jon Hilkevitch confirmed the suspicious actions of the FAA independently of Davenport.
Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
In my book that isn't the way to win friends and influence people. I mean think about it… if you’re a witness and a team player employed by
United or the FAA and you’re not exactly sure what you saw, would you want to come forward now and possibly inadvertently advance this guy’s
agenda and bite the hand that feeds you?
I think your thinking about this from a biased POV.
I've seen a UFO , personally faced the dilemma of reporting the UFO or not , and your idea that these people came forward to further Davenport's
"agenda" offends me!
In fact should anyone attempt to report a UFO in the U.S. to the Air Force they would be referred to NUFORC!
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 01:45 AM by Saviour Of The Real
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
I've seen a UFO , personally faced the dilemma of reporting the UFO or not , and your idea that these people came forward to further Davenport's
"agenda" offends me!
I'm sorry if there's been a misunderstanding and I failed to make my point clear but I was referring to those dozen or so other witnesses who
reportedly may have also seen it and HAVE NOT come forward (gone on record) and a possible reason why.
In fact should anyone attempt to report a UFO in the U.S. to the Air Force they would be referred to NUFORC!
All the more reason why making statements like that is IMO doing a great disservice to the subject, especially without knowing the facts. Like I said
IMO it’s irresponsible at best.
Is it possible the FAA didn’t see any reason to be overly concerned about it when it happened? Are their valid business reasons for United
encouraging their employees not to talk about it? IMO things like that need to be taken into account and looked into further before jumping to
nefarious conclusions... it's called giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 02:04 AM by lost_shaman
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
I'm sorry if there's been a misunderstanding and I failed to make my point clear but I was referring to those dozen or so other witnesses who
reportedly may have also seen it and HAVE NOT come forward (gone on record) and a possible reason why.
I'm not upset with you , just what your saying , when you did say something about supporting/advancing "Davenport's agenda" then IMO your POV was
unfounded and IMO not correct.
An involuntary witness to something profound like a UFO must "choose" to either "act like nothing happened" or inform others about what they
witnessed , often knowing they will be "dragged through the Mud" so to speak if they do come forward.
Also I can speak from personal experience that when you do "see a UFO" , at least my first thought was " OMG! This really IS the BIGGEST SECRET
ON EARTH!!!"
In other words a true UFO "witness" shouldn't take too long to figure out that the Media , and just about everything they've ever heard about
"UFOs" , is full of "HOT AIR" so to speak.
If you look at it from that , witness perspective , then IMO it's very courageous for these people to have come forward as an "anonymous" group as
they have.
And I guarantee that at least IMO , if these 11-12 people were fired from United Airlines within the next Month that there would be no interest or
public outcry about it!
In fact if they are "fired" or not may actually determine whether they publically come forward or not.
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 11:01 AM by snafu7700
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
Is it possible the FAA didn’t see any reason to be overly concerned about it when it happened?
yes. the faa doesnt care about ufos. they figure that if they just ignore the problem it will go away. that is why they no longer take the reports,
and instead direct people to groups like nuforc.
Are their valid business reasons for United encouraging their employees not to talk about it?
yes. they think that having employees who have seen ufos will decrease their ticket sales, as nobody wants to fly an airline full of
nutcases.....which probably isnt true, but it is their mentality. of course, these (airline management) are the same people who schedule the
majority of a days flights into the major hubs at the same time every day, and then wonder why there are ground delays and airborne
holding.....and try to blame it on the controllers.
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reply posted on 9-1-2007 @ 09:01 PM by selfless
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i don't feel like hunting throught all this thread to see if there was pics or a video of this event.
Can anyone show me the pic or video if there is one?
Thanks.
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reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 01:05 AM by snafu7700
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we are still waiting for the supposed pics to be released.
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reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 06:31 AM by Damocles
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
Also I can speak from personal experience that when you do "see a UFO" , at least my first thought was "OMG! This really IS the BIGGEST SECRET
ON EARTH!!!"
In other words a true UFO "witness" shouldn't take too long to figure out that the Media , and just about everything they've ever heard about
"UFOs" , is full of "HOT AIR" so to speak.
i guess i had the exact opposite reaction. ive seen a few "strange things" in the sky where one wouldnt expect them to be (not aware of any major
airlines that have flights at 3am flying from north to south over central south dakota low in dense lowlying clouds but hey...) and i guess its simply
becuase i assume we arent alone in the universe cuz my reaction was "eh, ufo" but thats just me lol
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reply posted on 10-1-2007 @ 12:42 PM by Order Out Of Chaos
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Originally posted by Cybernative
Originally posted by Order Out Of Chaos
It's not an ET craft.
It's a Russian advanced technology spy probe.
All, well all military developed countries, have access to this same technology, which is why this happens all over the world.It's just a new,
secret, form of satellite spying.The cold-war never ended, it just wen't high-tech.
OMG not again...OLD subject !!!
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Yes, and one you seem to refuse to accept, its like..... you're trying to convince yourself that aliens are visiting Earth.
PS, old subject, once covered subject, subject does not conform to your standards, etc etc, its all the same..... debate, discussion, not flame
It might well have been covered before, i did not see my comments phrase covered anywhere else here, and im sure others havn't either.
Have a good day.
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