Suspect has been arrested in the JonBenet Ramsey Case

His story about how he killed JonBenet plus the fact his ex-wife who is no fan of his, says that he was with her in Alabama on Christmas Eve and that he had never been to Colorado in his entire life, make it pretty clear that he is not the killer. His parents and ex-wife say he was obsessed not just with the Jon Benet case but also with the Polly Klass case and other child sex crimes.

So, my question is, what is the FBI and the DA's office gong to say when it shakes out that his DNA doesn't match.? I think, as has been stated here already, that it is just too coincidental that this is going on now just 2 months after Patsy Ramsey's death.

I think he is lying so he doesn't have to go to jail in Thailand for the charges they had him on.Just imagine what their prisons are like.Also I read the guys ex-wife says they were in Alabama when Jonbenet was killed.God ,I hope it is him but, why now?Why wait ten years?DNA should tell if it is him.

Originally posted by St Udio
imho, the man is playing the system, his remarks just gush with subjective incriminating words....he's just using the JonBenet cold-case as a means to
be extradited to Colorado, USA

in a week after setting foot in the safety of the US, the charges will be dropped as it's determined he's loony (or a genius in manipulation schemes)

I disagree with the genius part.

He still has the California charge to deal with...and there is always the extradition ride back to Thailand.

I agree there is way to many "holes" in the story. This guy is a whack. He was teaching not too far from where I live BTW :shk:

I think the real killer just dies aka Patsy or the son IMHO. Im still disgusted by the whole concept of forcing one child to dress up like painted lady of the night and parade around in these pagents to compensate for her own failure :shk:

I also found it strange that when the reporters talked to him he was so forthcoming with the story that he was with her when she died, that it was an accident, that he was in love with her but when asked for details like how he knew the family or how he got into the house, he said, No comment.

All of the other stuff was very incriminating but details about the crime he just could not conjure up and did not want to comment on. I'm starting to wonder if he is just some nut who has convinced himself he did it but can't go into details because he doesn't know how it was done and is so sick he can't come up with even obvious details.

I did have one question for anyone who remembers, wasn't there a sketch at one time of a man who was believed to be a person of interest in the case? I keep remembering a sketch that looks just like this guy. Anyone else remember this sketch or am I getting cases confused?

Originally posted by goose
I also found it strange that when the reporters talked to him he was so forthcoming with the story that he was with her when she died, that it was an accident, that he was in love with her but when asked for details like how he knew the family or how he got into the house, he said, No comment.

All of the other stuff was very incriminating but details about the crime he just could not conjure up and did not want to comment on. I'm starting to wonder if he is just some nut who has convinced himself he did it but can't go into details because he doesn't know how it was done and is so sick he can't come up with even obvious details.

I did have one question for anyone who remembers, wasn't there a sketch at one time of a man who was believed to be a person of interest in the case? I keep remembering a sketch that looks just like this guy. Anyone else remember this sketch or am I getting cases confused?

Here ya go...

Ok I found the sketch that psychic Dorothy Allison working with an artist did before her death of the man she saw involved in this case and it is freaky how much it looks like the guy they now have in custody, take a look. If anyone can post the pic I would greatly appreciate it. Here is the link.

www.crimelibrary.com...

thanks so much I posted this and there you had already posted it for me with a pic of the guy who confessed. Thanks again!

[edit on 18-8-2006 by goose]

Originally posted by loam

He still has the California charge to deal with...and there is always the extradition ride back to Thailand.

not to make this side bar issue more important than it is...

i feel the man got caught dead to rights for something in Thailand,
his immediate reaction is to admit he was instrumental in JonBenet's death- -
getting the USA to exercise its power & extradite him for crime(s) previous

he is thinking that after the extradition to Colorado, the embarrased
US police investigators, the US courts & legal system, will not give him
back to the Thai authorities... the US authorities will turn over every rock
to find something to convict and imprison him.

Karr himself, having full knowledge of all the crimes he had committed in
the US for the 10+ years before the Thailand arrest, will lead investigators
to at least one case that will keep him in US custody.

so? is this manipulator running scared? or is he following a mental map to
excape severe punishment in a foreign land?
He alone knows the full dossier of all the crimes, probably involving youngsters,
that he has committed all over the US over many years...
and he will leverage the disclosure of his evil deeds for his benefit.


& fancies himself a 'Hannibal Lechter' (?sp) type of devious, diabolical entity..
he's probably thinking ~Check !~

This guy probably lied just so that he could avoid the Thailand special and of course you can rely on our idiot legal system to bring him here without checking the evidence first. The person who most likely did it was the one dressed as santa at the neighbors party, apparently the women wrote a book where a guy dressed as santa killed a little girl in the same way JonBenet died.

Two AP stories about Carr.
Today:
apnews.myway.com...

Yesterday:
apnews.myway.com...

I'm not sure what to make of this. Carr is a pretty strange looking guy, imo and I wouldn't be surprised if he had suffered sexual abuse at an early age.
Something about this just sounds wrong.
All too coincidental that they get this guy so soon after Patsy Ramsey's death.

Actually earlier today they told that they had asked Patsy Ramsey in May of this year if she would be willing to meet with him if they could set it up, and she agreed to do so. Apparently he had been writing to her and the police or FBI was getting those letters.

Also they told that there were some thing the police did not reveal about the condition of the body and that only the killer would know and this guy provided them with those details, apparently that might have been what was in those emails he sent that made him a suspect in the case.

Maybe this guy is the killer but living with it all these years has pushed him over the edge of sanity, How sane can you be anyway and do this to a child? Not excusing him, just saying that this might explain his crazy comments, that leave us all wondering if he did it or not.

It is possible that Carr was involved I guess, because he says death was an accident. How does one have an accident where a child is slowly strangled?

There is a connection between lack of blood to the brain, and feelings of light, pleasure, whatever you want to call it (I wouldn't call it orgasm unless stimulation of the genitals is involved). The stun gun marks on JB's body suggest she might have been incapactiated for this attack.

Carr may also just have been groomed to take the fall, by persons connected to the event and one (or several) of whom actually killed JB or watched her die (probably without knowing it). It is possible that Carr was not the strangler. In any case, the garrote used is designed to strangle slowly, which doesn't fit the crime scene at all. plus the trauma to her head is far too violent, with no bleeding, and indicates somebody tried whacking her a few times (under the hair area) to try and wake her up and maybe stage the crime scene. Patsy was also a beauty queen and probably MK-type conditioned so this explains her love/envy issues with her own daughter and also why the note is in her handwriting. Read below for more.

So many leads not followed. Why do you think that is? Jon Benet, God bless her, may be the single tangible beam of light that shines into the darkness surrounding the issues being discussed in this thread.

DA pursues new Ramsey lead
Hunter asks police to investigate woman's story of sex abuse
By Barrie Hartman
Daily Camera, 2000

District Attorney Alex Hunter has turned over new information to Boulder police and the FBI that he says could provide a major breakthrough in solving the 3-year-old JonBenét Ramsey murder case.

The information is from testimony and documents provided voluntarily by a 37-year-old California woman who was brought forward by Boulder attorney Lee Hill. The woman said she has suffered a lifetime of sexual and physical abuse, beginning at age 3. Her story, if true, could mean the Ramsey case is tangled in sexual abuse and involves more people than originally thought.

Hunter said he finds the woman to be "very believable." Boulder police detectives, however, aren't so sure.

"Even if only 15 percent of what she says is true," Hunter said, "this case warrants investigation. And if Boulder cops don't want to do it, I will take the case to the U.S. Attorney."

[...]

The woman has described to police years of sexual and physical abuse in California homes at the hands of adults who stayed at holiday and other parties after other guests had left for the evening. Then, she said, another "party," one of sexual abuse for the gratification of a select group of adults, would begin.

In talking to detectives, the woman draws parallels between sexual techniques used at these sessions and the physical evidence of garroting that investigators found on the body of JonBenét Ramsey. The woman told detectives she believes JonBenét was killed accidentally when an asphyxiation technique used to stimulate an orgasmic response during a child sex and porno "party" went too far.

The woman told police she knows firsthand about asphyxiation (choking) to produce a sexual response because it had been done to her when she was a child. The woman said in her experience little girls were dressed provocatively and trained to say provocative things, such as, "It's a pleasure to please you."

She told police that when girls did not perform as expected, they were struck on the head. That was because their hair covered the wound. A big night for such "parties" was Christmas night, she said. Over the years, she said, many parties were held then because a large number of cars around a house did not arouse suspicion in the neighborhood and the children had a full week to heal from their wounds before returning to school.

Also:

www.crimelibrary.com...

www.konformist.com...

"Patsy Ramsey was born and raised in Parkersburg, West Virginia, a city better known for the Federal Bureau of Public Debt Building, a project located there at the heavy insistence of West Virginia's longtime Senator (and longtime Appropriations Chairman) Robert Byrd. Byrd, it should be noted, is fingered by Cathy O'Brien as one of her main oppressors. He has also been alleged (by an article in a fundamentalist Christian magazine) to be one of the main people behind the formation of Michael Aquino's Temple of Set. Do two rumors equal a truth? No, but in any case, Senator Byrd is a "former" member of the KKK.

Adding to the irresponsibility, it turns out Patsy Ramsey's father, Don Paugh, was an engineer for Union Carbide, the fine folks who brought us korporate murder in Bhopal and whose former mining camp in Guyana provided the spot for Jim Jones little Utopian community. Early on, Don was asked to help out John Ramsey's then struggling business, and became vice president in charge of operations. According to Jeff Merrick, a former John Ramsey associate, "The word is that John was going broke and Don bailed him out financially." How he did that on his middle-class income is questionable. The Paughs may have instead used their impressive connections via the Miss America Pageant circuit, which both Patsy and her younger sister Pam had been contestants in after both being crowned Miss West Virginia. Due to her programmed, controlled manner, famed-sportswriter and 1977 Miss America judge Frank Deford wrote in his notes that Patsy was "a little automoton." JonBenét was particularly noticed for her ability to freeze all motion and hold a pose, an incredible feat considering she was only six years old."

[edit on 20-8-2006 by smallpeeps]

so is this woman trying to say that she was once part of a sex ring for children? and she believes that its the same thing that JB was apart of? is this connected to the parents of JB and other "important" people in politics? i would like to have a link to read more on this. this is the first time that i have heard anything of this.

im out
-mindtrip02

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
I wouldn't be surprised if he had suffered sexual abuse at an early age.

Worse than that, there's a report that his mother tried to kill him by burning him alive when he was a baby:

Originally posted by mindtrip02
so is this woman trying to say that she was once part of a sex ring for children? and she believes that its the same thing that JB was apart of? is this connected to the parents of JB and other "important" people in politics? i would like to have a link to read more on this. this is the first time that i have heard anything of this.

It's a story from the newspaper in the town where the Ramsey's live. The detective said that if even 20% of the woman's story is true, it's worth pursuing. Yet nothing happened. Why didn't they follow up this woman's claims? The Ramsey's wanted the "lone crazy man" theory to fly right from the get-go. No other paths were to be followed. The woman's testimony describes Christmas Eve as when she herself was abused in this very same asphyxiation way. She's essentially saying "I was in JonBenet's position, but didn't die, and here's my story." ...I cannot find any more info about her.

Sexual Asphyxiation Case Example
WebMD discussion of children dying in this way

Engaging in this behavior for prolonged periods with a garrote is seriously dangerous, but still, it is done by adults and (fatally at times) by children. This would be called "autoerotic asphyxiation" because the person garrotes themselves. Typically the cord is wound so that it safely unravels if one's hand drops away (i.e. they pass out). Yes, to think of this being done to a helpless child is heartrending. Point is, it may not have been intended to cause death. This hypothesis may explain why Carr says death was an accident. Then again, whomever is the perp may be far more subtle and able to hide truth than any of us can imagine.

Cathy Obrien's story of abuse at the hands of powerful people, as mentioned in the article linked above, and as documented in her book "Trance: Formation of America" is way beyond what most people are willing to accept. Nevertheless, I am certain that some children are abused by groups of adults, and there has been more than one book written on the subject. There are other good book references and information at the link below.

www.irvingstudios.com...


[edit on 22-8-2006 by smallpeeps]

Police were earlier looking at another pedophile, Gary Olivia, who is from Oregon, but was in the neighborhood of the Ramsey home the night of the murder.
Maybe he and John Mark Karr were previously aquainted with each other (with their sick selves), and they did it together.

With all the inconsistencies in his story (drugging, picking her up from school, etc.) it seems unlikely that he's the killer. But the authorities are convinced that he has information about the crime that was never publicly available. Given that the Boulder investigators have been severely criticized for their handling of this case it would seem unlikely that they'd be reckless enough to bring all this attention to themselves if they didn't feel the evidence they had was compelling.

So, if it turns out Karr isn't the killer where did he get all these secret details? It would certainly suggest that he has had contact with the real killer and has integrated what he has been told into his own twisted fantasies. We know that pedophiles connect online and elsewhere to trade pictures and stories. So although he may not be the actual killer perhaps he'll provide a means of tracking down the real one.

Originally posted by jtma508
With all the inconsistencies in his story (drugging, picking her up from school, etc.) it seems unlikely that he's the killer. But the authorities are convinced that he has information about the crime that was never publicly available. Given that the Boulder investigators have been severely criticized for their handling of this case it would seem unlikely that they'd be reckless enough to bring all this attention to themselves if they didn't feel the evidence they had was compelling.

So, if it turns out Karr isn't the killer where did he get all these secret details? It would certainly suggest that he has had contact with the real killer and has integrated what he has been told into his own twisted fantasies. We know that pedophiles connect online and elsewhere to trade pictures and stories. So although he may not be the actual killer perhaps he'll provide a means of tracking down the real one.

Thats a possibility.