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JFK: The Ultimate Explanation -- The Involvement of George Bush Sr.

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posted on May, 29 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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CyberKat,

The site you referenced is definitly not reachable anymore.

There is still Google cache, but for how long?

216.239.59.104...:q5Op5HZe2icJ:www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm+the+bushy+knoll&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

At least I have saved the text and read it, yes interesting I must admit that people who are opposing, involved or are a threat to the Bush family are still dying of "suicide" "heart attacks" "plane crashes" even as recent as 2004...

Scary stuff. Thanks for the link!




posted on May, 29 2006 @ 11:37 PM
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I tried to download the PDF file, and I get the 404 Page can't be found. Damn Damn!!



posted on May, 30 2006 @ 08:13 AM
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posted on May, 31 2006 @ 10:38 AM
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However, everytime I try to download it, it gives me the 404. I have tried multiple times, including just now....I'm still getting the 404...Do you think the Gov. ruined the link? Is the PDF the long version, or like the post you initiated the thread with?



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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Try this:

b03.bestsharing.com...

(Right click, save as)



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 04:37 PM
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I'm late to this thread, but I've heard about some still photos that contradict images from the Zapruder film -- specifically showing a the same two women in Dealey Plaza dressed differently...

Allegedly some TV networks are after this story.

When people are concerned about "the government" suppressing 43-year-old stories, is it really the same 'government' that it was back then?



posted on Jun, 1 2006 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
someone kills a family member, you don't keep quiet, its just not human nature.

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I don't see any of them pushing for a trial of anyone. Sure they probably know who killed JFK/RFK but they are keeping quiet about it. Why ?


Doesn't anybody think it's at least coincedental that JFK & RFK assasinations and the Reagan assasination attempt are basically share the same MO.

[edit on 1-6-2006 by wackedoutgeek]



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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I don't know if this has already been mentioned elsewhere. Luis Posada Carriles' lawyer may call Senator John Kerry and Oliver North to testify about his former ties to the U.S. government...


Miami Herald: Posada lawyer may call Kerry, North

Jun. 07, 2006



In an effort to free Cuban exile militant Luis Posada Carriles from federal detention and help him qualify for U.S. citizenship, his attorney may call on U.S. Sen. John Kerry and Oliver North of Iran-contra fame to testify about Posada's ties to the U.S. government.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
I don't know if this has already been mentioned elsewhere. Luis Posada Carriles' lawyer may call Senator John Kerry and Oliver North to testify about his former ties to the U.S. government...


No, I do not think this was mentioned yet, but a great find


Let´s hope Posada Carriles lives long enough to testify under oath before a Grand Jury on all he knows about the involvement of government in the JFK assassination. Odds are he will not be among us much longer if he really knows all that he is supposed to know. (I truly think he does).

To answer another poster: yes, this is the same government if you look at who their backers are. Prescott Bush started it all after WWII and via his grandsons is STILL in power. If PNAC scares you, the Bush family will terrify you.

I wouldn´t in the least be surprised if Jeb Bush will be on the ballot for the 2008 presidency. Not in the least.

[edit on 8-6-2006 by HardToGet]



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 09:12 AM
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Congratulations on the WATS - and yes, Jeb "there is no constituency for the truth" Bush for 2008! Let's keep those cover-ups in the family - JFK and 9/11, plus the elections of (so far) 2000, 2004 and by the looks of things 2008 too. And if past performance is anything to go by, there'll be plenty more things for him to cover up.

Edit: just read the Bushy Knoll.... WHAAAT? John Hinckley was never prosecuted? wtf?

[edit on 8-6-2006 by rich23]



posted on Jun, 8 2006 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by HardToGet
Sounds great!

And what are your findings after seeing these videos and more importantly why?

Care to Share?


The forensic video that I looked at went into what physical evidence was there, vs. eyewitness accounts and third party information. From the physical evidence, they were able to prove that it was a single shooter. It was a very compelling video and answered a lot of questions. Much of it used more modern science to reconstruct frame by frame the shots fired. It even went into the whole echo theory that has run around for the past several decades.

It's a must see, along with all of the other sources that can be watched. I've read the books, watched the tapes, and went to Dallas and spent the greater part of the day at the site itself...read all of the handouts there.

When I watched this one, it pulled it all back together (and back down to earth, too).



posted on Jun, 9 2006 @ 07:52 AM
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posted by Tha Troubleshoota

The forensic video I looked at went into what physical evidence was there, vs. eyewitness accounts and third party information . . they were able to prove that it was a single shooter. It answered a lot of questions. It used modern science to reconstruct frame by frame the shots fired. It went into the echo theory that has run around for the past several decades. When I watched this one, it pulled it all back together (and back down to earth, too). [Edited by Don W]



On conspiracies.
T/T, on the 4th Friday in November, 1963, I was a USAF type at MacDill AFB, Tampa, FL, when JFK was assassinated. Returning from lunch, we heard the news over the car’s radio. Just the previous Monday, JFK and Jackie rode past us in an open limo on their way to Tampa’s Lopez Field to campaign for local Democrats. Even in the “good old days” presidential campaigns began at least one year before the election. (In actuality, campaigning never stops.)

Two days later, the Sunday following, I was buying out-of-town newspapers when Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald was flashed over the store’s tv. Crushed on Friday, devastated on Sunday! What a horrid weekend. It had not been all that long since the Cuba Missile Crisis - October, 1962 - which was the only time I have really been afraid. My fate was in the hands of others. (It also inspired my re-enlistment in the AF.) JFK’s first term had barely started with the April, 1961, Bay of Pigs debacle, now a distant, unwanted memory. What an inauspicious way to begin a presidency! We Democrats had hoped it would last 8 years. But it barely made a 1,000 days. (It was 1,036 days by count.)

Unlike most Americans, I ordered the GPO’s pre-publication copy of the Warren Commission report. I wish now I had also ordered the 20 or so volumes of raw testimony, notes and exhibits as that set - cheap then - is now highly valued. When my copy of the Report arrived, I read it through, cover to cover. Voraciously. Like most “good” Americans then, I believed it. In fact, after many readings, I still do. I have also learned there is a lot of money to be made in alternate theories, perhaps the more outrageous make more money? But there is very little money to be made in the de-bunking thereof.

It was 1971 before I made it to the Dealey Plaza. The Texas School Book Depository building was closed to the public. I had the opportunity to walk the Plaza without restrictions. I suppose the one memory I still have is how small the Plaza is or was. Oh, yes, I have read Mark Lane’s 1966 seminal work, “Rush To Judgment.” My conclusion is there in only one thing more difficult for me to believe or swallow than the magic bullet theory, and that is that Oswald and Ruby were part of a conspiracy to murder the president.

My confidence is bolstered by the unanimous acceptance of the Report by the Commission. Chief Justice Earl Warren - a liberal California Republican - was chairman. Georgia’s conservative Senator Russell, the “Dean of the Senate,” an unofficial accolade of respect, Kentucky’s moderate Senator Cooper, a man from my home state who I knew to be honorable in his public service, Rep. Hale Boggs, (D) of Louisiana, Rep. Gerald Ford, (R) of Michigan, to later become president, and Democrat John J. McCloy, a distinguished public servant and Republican Allen W. Dulles, the first head of our CIA. The Chief Investigator was Lee J. Rankin, to later become the Solicitor General of the US, and Arlen Specter, now a respected senator from PA, was one of the 20 highly distinguished investigators. Most were either Phi Beta Kappa or Order of the Coif. And some were both. If I cannot trust those men, there is no one in public service I can trust. And that leaves me where?

See mcadams.posc.mu.edu... and www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...


[edit on 6/9/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Jun, 10 2006 @ 09:51 PM
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I remember that day in 1963 as if it was yesterday. I'm glad they finally got all the names involved. I'm waiting for the day they pin this on GHWBush, Senior. He's had his finger in crime for so many decades, it's time he's brought to a halt. After all, he's still at it. If they don't get him before he dies, maybe God will.



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 09:23 PM
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John McAdams is the primary Warren Commission apologist publishing on the Internet today.

Oswald’s work for the U.S. military “intelligence” apparatus also is a great explanation for all those events that seemingly add up to “lone nut.”

www.ahealedplanet.net...

“Liberal Republican” is an oxymoron.

Allen Dulles’ sitting on the commission was a case of the fox watching the henhouse. Allen Dulles was one of Nazi Germany’s greatest supporters,

www.ahealedplanet.net...

and was about as corrupt as they come:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

While McCloy was uneasy about nuking Japan:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

he also did plenty that raises one’s eyebrows. For instance, he was behind suppressing data that showed that Japanese-American citizens were NOT a military threat to the United States, which led to their internment:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

He was also a war profiteer:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

and he lied about the U.S. capability of bombing the Auschwitz crematoria during World War II:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

en.wikipedia.org...

McCloy’s “defense” on the Auschwitz accusation was that he was lying on Roosevelt’s behalf.

I do not consider the Warren Commission credible, as do most who question their findings. That is not because we are “conspiracy theorists,” but because their findings do not add up. “Magic Bullet” Gerald Ford has zero credibility with me as well as anybody else who has long studied the “Magic Bullet’s” preposterous path. Arlen Specter has always had zero credibility with me because he dreamed it up. Lyndon Johnson did not believe the magic bullet theory.

Wade



posted on Jun, 11 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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A comprehensive JFK assassination report

This report popped up without a source; but it's interesting. I'm sure there are a lot of reports like this written by men who believed they know how it happened.



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by joshai2334
This report popped up without a source; but it's interesting. I'm sure there are a lot of reports like this written by men who believed they know how it happened.


No, this is the same source: Wim Dankbaar.

He has been researching this for over ten years now, working closely together with former FBI-agents who are determined to get the truth out.

The PDF files and research in this thread were based on research from Wim Dankbaar and those mentioned former FBI-agents, one of them being Zack Shelton.

The investigation was initiated in 1989 by the late Joe West, a PI from Texas.

See: jfkmurdersolved.com...



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by wadefrazier3
Lyndon Johnson did not believe the magic bullet theory.


Is that on the record?

Would be interesting, as this would oppose an opinion LBJ was involved in the assassination. (Why would he deny the Warren Commission findings then?)



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 10:23 AM
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I think it is off the record, but known. More than once, LBJ expressed his skepticism of the official story. Groden and Livingstone’s High Treason covers that territory more than once. See the introduction, footnote 35, which refers to an FBI memo from 1967. LBJ believed the CIA had something to do with the assassination. Johnson said that he believed that the hit team was a CIA-backed team of killers who killed JFK after failing to kill Castro. Johnson said, “I never believed that Oswald acted alone.” (High Treason, chapter 19).

JFK and Johnson’s advance man, Marty Underwood, was interviewed in High Treason Two (chapter 21), and Underwood tells the story that I have tended to believe for many years. Underwood was in Dallas that fateful day and flew back to Washington with JFK’s body. Underwood did some investigating on Johnson’s behalf, and came to believe that the mob was involved in the hit. Underwood said that Johnson believed that the JFK hit was due to a domestic conspiracy, but he had to set up the Warren Commission and eliminate the Cuba angle, or else there may have been World War III on their hands. Underwood’s interview is consistent with about everything I know about the JFK hit.

Underwood tells the story of his son, who visited LBJ’s ranch a few times, and when the kid was twelve he asked LBJ about the JFK hit, and Johnson replied, “Well, Slim, your dad and I will never live to see it, but the truth will come out someday.”

Late in his life, Johnson told Underwood, “You know, I have two cancers. One is Vietnam, and the other is the fact that they still bring up the fact that I had something to do with the assassination.” Underwood said it bothered LBJ until he died.

In the conclusion of High Treason 3, Kenneth O’Donnell told how Arlen Specter asked him to change his testimony to match LBJ’s (which shows what kind of “investigator” Specter was). I think Johnson may well have known that something was going down (such as how he dove to the floor of his limo as JFK was shot – similar to George W. Bush probably knowing that something was going down on 9/11, but not having a hand in planning it), and LBJ had a heavy hand in managing events afterward, but I remain skeptical that he helped plan it.

If I had all day to plow though my JFK library at home, I could probably find it, and one day I may, and post what I find here.



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 10:48 AM
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Herb is Jackie Kennedy?!

( I'm making reference to his and Bill Burroughs' voices being very alike )



posted on Jun, 12 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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posted by wadefrazier3

John McAdams is the primary Warren Commission apologist publishing on the Internet today. Oswald’s work for the U.S. military “intelligence” apparatus also is a great explanation for all those events that seemingly add up to “lone nut.” [Edited by Don W]



Lee Harvey Oswald was a 22 year old, uneducated USMC type who apparently did his job OK. He was HD with a E3 rating. Normal progression. No disciplinary problems. The last job he had was a ground radar operator in northern Japan. In the course of his work he would have observed US planes flying up to the USSR border and in some instances, crossing over into the USSR airspace. He would not know what the planes were doing other than GI latrine scuttlebutt. After he defected to the USSR, the KGB would have interviewed him for confirmation of what they already knew.

When LHO returned to the US, the CIA would have interviewed him to find out what he had told the KGB. The FBI would have interviewed him to determine if he was a double agent. To keep track of LHO on the cheap, as he seemed to not be dangerous, the FBI, IMO, put him to work as a “stringer” and paid him, perhaps, $100 a month. This was the cheapest way to keep track of him. And the Free Cuba Committee at the same time.

In this time frame - early 1960s - the US was obsessed with Fidel Castro. A bearded intellectual wearing Army greens and leading a nation of 5 million impoverished people and the US is confounded. It does make you wonder how we have survived. It sure as heck is not due to the leadership. OTOH, if you owned stock in the American Sugar Refining Company that Fidel had just confiscated, and if you could control the US government, especially the USMC, maybe Fidel was worth your attention?



Allen Dulles’ sitting on the commission was a case of the fox watching the henhouse. Allen Dulles was one of Nazi Germany’s greatest supporters . .


Allen Dulles was an international banker. As a socialist, I’d like to see all bankers hanged, but it is unfair to accuse Allen Dulles of being a “Nazi’s greatest supporter . . “ Bankers have no morals. They support anyone on whom they can make money.


While McCloy was uneasy about nuking Japan: he also did plenty that raises one’s eyebrows. For instance, he was behind suppressing data that showed that Japanese American citizens were NOT a military threat to the United States, which led to their internment: He was also a war profiteer


Come’on now, WD3, you know you can’t prove a negative. The interment of the Japanese Americans was popular in California. Some sage said something like truth is the first casualty in war? We did wrong. It was not one man, but many men who did wrong. Including most of all, my own icon, FDR.
Calvin Coolidge said it shortest and best, “The business of America is business.” I hate it, but I’m in a distinct minority.


John J. McCloy lied about the U.S. capability of bombing the Auschwitz crematoria during World War II . .


That’s one story anyone can check out. 1) Our planes - B17 and B24 - were not capable of flying round trips from England to Poland. 2) We had more pressing targets. It was more important to the war effort to bomb ball bearing factories and oil refineries submarine pens than to bomb death camps. Sorry about that. Sometimes being honest is not being nice.



I do not consider the Warren Commission credible . . That is not because we are “conspiracy theorists,” but because their findings do not add up. “Magic Bullet” Gerald Ford has zero credibility with me as well as anybody else who has long studied the “Magic Bullet’s” preposterous path. Arlen Specter has always had zero credibility with me because he dreamed it up. Lyndon Johnson did not believe the magic bullet theory. Wade



Life is like that sometimes. For me, it is much harder to believe that Gerald Ford and Arlen Specter are liars than it is to believe the magic bullet theory. You pays your money and you takes your choice. As for LBJ, I’ve heard his taped phone call where he says that, talking to J Edgar Hoover, a man I despise, and I’m not sure LBJ meant that at all. LBJ knew Hoover was recording him and he meant not to give Hoover any more data Hoover could use against him. Hoover had destroyed the FBI and it has not yet recovered. If I was prez, I’d divide the FBI into 2 groups, based on years of service, then I’d fire older half, in toto. Maybe that would be enough to restore the FBI. Maybe not.


[edit on 6/12/2006 by donwhite]



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