Why wasn't this part of the Oliver Stone - JFK movie?

Great thread, kudos due here

I've read about this before though - I think Alex Jones had a video about it, that is Bush's involvement? I remember that seeming rather convincing (surprisingly for me given the source of Mr Jones).

Not to take away any validity from this though, I find this theory completely plausable....

Ok. I'm giddy to tell you guys this because so far it hasn't been mentioned.

I'm an occasional listener of Coast to Coast Am and in the summer they did a show on the JFK assassination.

The timing of the Assassination came because Kennedy was days away from using the military and the UN to overthrow Castro. 7 or so to be exact. The countdown had already started when the CIA found this out thats when they ordered the hit.

However everything was done through the Mafia. If you look into the story you'll find that there were important meetings that took place between the Don of Chicago, the Don of Miami and the Don of Dallas. The heads of three important districts.

Funny enough Dallas was the third attempt. The first being in Chicago, the second in Miami. There was actually an incident in Chicago or Miami (forget which one) where something happened and Kennedy's limo took off screeching.

One of the other investigators talked about Oswald however I didn't catch all of that part. All I know is a week before he was either in a mental institution or working there and there was some sort of mafia connection through that. Thats when he got that job at the Library even though he hadn't had a job in years.

apparently Oswald and Ruby were actually really good friends at the time too.

BTW I've been to Havana and it's actually a really nice place. Didn't see any murder death squads roving around killing women and children. It was actually quite peaceful and the police were pretty chill. US cops are more fascist then Cuba's cops I can tell you that. On top of that with the threats from C. Rice and the possibility of the US attacking cuba in the future I'm sorry to say but the population stands heavily behind Castro. The military there now is well trained in guerilla warfare and urban warfare. Castro has been gearing up since 9/11 because he is smart enough to know Bush is going for his own dictatorship.

They have about 1 million or so troops now that can be called up immediatey (these guys are well trained) with another 5 million as militia reserves. More then enough to ward off american attacks since the US military is so strained.

Cuba doesn't need much of an airforce to keep it's ground units alive either. A guerilla brigade could hide in cities or in the jungle and with their portable SAMs can ward off close airsupport. I feel sorry for the americans who will be sent there personally. When they get in the cities the convoys will get trashed. Cuba is an old city with lots of places for good ambushes. They've got some tunnel systems too from what I've heard. Tunnels were crucial in vietnam.

With all the strategy learned from the Revolution against the US supported Bastista facists Cuba today has one of the best trained forces around. Strong morale too. The US will be hardpressed to find people to fight for them against Castro. I was there at Mayday and literally the whole city stopped dead to go see Castros three hour speech. The entire time I saw about three or four army guys at Revolution Square and no weapons.

The biggest thing that is holding Cuba down is not that it's a Socialist country (as if thats a dirty word) it's the US economic embargos that choke cuba into the poverty it has. Eachyear the US fines countries billions of dollars for trading with cuba though some countries choose to pay the fine anyways.

They have free healthcare and education in Cuba. If cuba were a facisttotalitariancommunist country I doubt they'd do that.

How is the US fairing in the healthcare and education department these days?

A little off topic but I felt I had to shoot down the myths that Cuba is a regime that kills it's own citizens in the streets everyday. Castro may appear to be a Dictator but he's a benevolent one. And as for him being in power for a long time there really isn't anyone else who matches his leadership abilities. He is a good leader. He wouldn't have succeeded in the revolution if he wasn't. And the people do support him. Go there and see for yourself. Cuba is united against American imperialism.

The only other time I saw Cuban soldiers was at the US embassy. There was at least a company guarding the well fortified building. The posters across the road with the torture of Iraqi prisoners was quite funny too.

Too bad the CIA got Guevara though. I've read his journals,saw his museum, watched videos of his speeches and he was the most benevolent of all. Very kind person. If he became leader of Cuba instead it would have a much better name for itself.

nothing like a pro communist comment

to really cheer up the thread !

mr crowley , I wish that coast to coast

wasn't a disinfo outlet , but it is.

sorry if you were the last to know...

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hardtoget,

keep up the good work

at this point in time

seems like we can only pray

for some action but I'm skeptical

of anything happening and if on

the outside chance something did

happen it would probably be anti-climactic

to the situation and our desires.

[ and why does my printer freak-out
while trying to print that doc !? ]




toasted

[edit on 11-5-2006 by toasted]

disinfo outlet? Hardly. if it was a disinfo outlet they would have said Oswald was the lonegunmen instead of mafia and cia.

They even talk about the Illuminati and the New World Order from time to time. They just don't announce those shows ahead of time.

I fail to see how it's a disinfo outlet. They talk about all kinds of things that the corporate media won't touch.

I'm not a communist btw. I don't really fit in the current spectrum because I believe earth should evolve to be more like the political situation in Star Trek or Star Wars. The true aspirations of mankind.

And Cuba is socialist not communist. There is a big difference between the two though most people fail to see it. They just rub their fingers in a criss cross crying voodoo.

Marxist Socialist to be exact. Very different from communism since communism was severely perverted into many different flavours as if it were icecream.

Marxism has never been practiced in it's true form and thats a shame.

Cuba isn't what you've been brought up to believe. They don't have public hangings or whippings, the police or military don't go out into the streets killing random people infact there is very little police presence or military presence at all. They just keep the peace that is all.

Cubans are happy though. They know that it they were capitalists they would be blinded by materialism and not genuinely happy like here in North America.

[edit on 11-5-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

If hilary or condi ever become president WWIII will be started over a purse.

Although Sandra Day O'Connor was pretty adiment in her farewell speech that Bush is seeking a dictatorship. And if it isn't Bush it will be Awwwnold. I don't like Arnold but I admit he'd make a pretty kickass dictator.

LOL... everytime i think i read everything .... I come to ATS and get surprised... how much more of this insanity will i allow myself to bother reading... so now .. Bush Senior was involved in the JFK assassination... sure..why not .. I mean since they are "shapeshifting reptilians", "undercover evil jews" and "secret cousins of the Bristish Royal family aka the Beast", i am sure they have EVERYTHING to do with the JFK assassination...

In fact i found a lost gospel that shows Georgeus Bushus Romanus the 10th was actually the Roman soldier that drove the pierce thru Christ. Imagine that .. but i have to work on a latin translation before i can advance anymore.

[edit on 11-5-2006 by BaastetNoir]

Well I for one find this thread interesting. No one's forcing you to read this stuff Basstet. I suppose you expect that we all believe in the official version?

Sure it's a bit far-out, but it's still possible, and fun to discuss. Like I said, no one's forcing you to read it, and frankly it's quite rude to just come here and belittle others for discussing such a subject.

Nice Got,

I was just wondering if you have any "current" life insurance policy's that might be linked to yourself? He he he... Thats some great reading

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Bush Senior was involved in the JFK assassination... sure..why not ..

BaastetNoir, If you look at this, regardez, with a clean slate and actually see that GHWB indeed was part of the C.I.A. and in particular in some section that dealt with Cuban Exiles you must admit that that is a major pointer.

He lied about not being involved or working for the C.I.A. before 1976.

Then, if you look at the testimony of three witnesses (who have nothing to gain by lying) one of them being James Files, who amongst other things confessed to "biting the shell that killed Kennedy" because he was a cockey 21-year old brat with an attitude and insisted on leaving his trademark. This shell WAS found in the eighties, and it turned out that the end was closed because... it was bitten shut.

There was no way Files could have known that because prior to that confession there was never any publication stating that the bullet casing found at the Grassy Knoll had teeth mark on it. Once you´ve established that Files could not have known that detail, you may pretty much be certain the rest of his testimony is valid too.

And finally, if you look at the fact that the C.I.A. chose to use Mafia hitmen to do the actual shooting to cover their backs in case anything went wrong, and CIA trained Cuban exiles to coordinate, you must admit that this evidence is quite overwhelming.

C.I.A. involvement in the Kennedy assassination can no longer be denied with all the supervisory trails leading back to the C.I.A. Focus on who reports to who.

Once you´ve establish that the C.I.A. is involved using a Cuban exile terrorist branch as one of it´s means, AND GHWB is proven to be involved with that branch on a managing level in the CIA in ´63, there is no denying it.

[edit on 11-5-2006 by HardToGet]

Originally posted by tsloan
I was just wondering if you have any "current" life insurance policy's that might

Doesn´t matter. We´re all going to die in a nuclear blaze soon anyway...

Hey! Where´s the I´m kidding smiley? Allright then, we´re not going to die in a nuclear blaze.

It will be Bush Flu.

Originally posted by Crazy_Mr_Crowley
Cuba isn't what you've been brought up to believe. They don't have public hangings or whippings, the police or military don't go out into the streets killing random people infact there is very little police presence or military presence at all. They just keep the peace that is all.

Cubans are happy though. They know that it they were capitalists they would be blinded by materialism and not genuinely happy like here in North America.

[edit on 11-5-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

Is that why Cubans are racing for Florida everyday? Because they like being in Cuba? We find them floating in rafts almost every day out there, and have to send them back. Are you sure they're truly happy there?

TheBorg

Originally posted by Telos
So Bill Cooper wasn't wrong then when insisted about the driver's involvement in the shooting. He strongly pointed out the driver's arm in the Zapruder footage.

Zapruder was a 33Degree Mason which many overlook... also he shot his little video up on the grassy knoll while behind him one of the 'hit teams' was firing away. This likely resulted in one of the head wounds itself but not necessarily the 'kill shot.'

Also Zapruder has been said by some to be the guy documenting the hit for the secret societies but that in itself is pure speculation of course.

The 'killshot' came from either the driver or came from a point before the grassy knoll from the related angles.

People here don't seem to understand that Montauk was about TIMETRAVEL... using it you could cover up events as desired.. although changing events significantly would change the timeline of course.

Far out theory but if you were the bad guys and you owned a time machine what would you use it for?? JKK, 911 etc..

denythestatusquo:

Could you tell me how the driver could have been the one to have shot JFK while he was driving? I never see anything in any footage of the assassination to indicate any involvement on his part, let alone anyone else in the vehicle.

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
denythestatusquo:

Could you tell me how the driver could have been the one to have shot JFK while he was driving? I never see anything in any footage of the assassination to indicate any involvement on his part, let alone anyone else in the vehicle.

TheBorg

He can't have shot JFK, however he did go directly against security training. When the first shot is fired, he should have sped up and not slowed down. There is a long period where he is driving slowly which allows many easier shots to get off. Furthermore, JFK should have been pulled down onto the ground to make it harder for him to be hit and this didn't happen.

Either the guy who shot JFK got the worst security team in the World and it was his lucky day or they were all involved in it. There are just two many coincedences for them to have been that bad at their job. [Windows being left open for example.]

Here we always say that JFK got what he deserved. End of story.

Originally posted by wadefrazier3
Tower told it to Audie Murphy and Bill Decker in December 1963, and my cop pal was there too. Wade Frazier

Wade, thank you very much for these pointers, I am a great fan of your publications. There is a lot of background information on your site about several issues which is well worth the read.

Thanks!

HTG

So.... does anyone seem to remember that Joseph Bonanno actually said the hit was constructed by the mafia and offered to testify about it? Were talking about Joseph Bonano who was considered to the last old school mafia member and was the boss of one of the 5 familys of the commission.

Id rather take the word of the head of a crime family who wrote his biography at the END of his life then some person who linked the Bush family to every crime committed in the past 100 years by a single note.

Yah i watched the whole thing by Alex Jones and I must say its a pretty interesting documentary but looses its steam so damn fast towards the end where it seems he starts to pull things out of his ass.

Originally posted by Diem928
So.... does anyone seem to remember that Joseph Bonanno actually said the hit was constructed by the mafia and offered to testify about it?

Sorry, sounds like a classic debunk to me. The Mafia by itself did not have the power to stand down security, change parade routes, and run a psyop with regards to Lee Harvey Oswald.

I believe the Mafia was involved, but on a lower level.

PS: the above mentioned source of information (Wim Dankbaar´s research) is in no way linked to Alex Jones, but rather was established by research for over a decade involving Dankbaar and several (retired) FBI-agents.

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