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This is not the first time McKinney has had an encounter with Capitol Hill police. When she first arrived in Congress in 1993, an officer failed to recognize her because she was new and not wearing the congressional pin. After she complained, police put pictures of McKinney up at each security checkpoint to ensure it would not happen again.
McKinney also once ran into problems at the White House. USA Today reported that when McKinney, who is African-American, and a young white aide arrived at a welcoming ceremony in May 1998 for then-Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi, the guard at the gate deferred to the aide as the person of authority. Once in the executive mansion, McKinney said, another guard tried to stop her until Rep. James Moran (D-Va.) stepped in.
"I am absolutely sick and tired of having to have my appearance at the White House validated by white people," McKinney wrote in a complaint to then-President Bill Clinton. "I don't need to be stopped or questioned because I happen to look like hired help."
The White House apologized to McKinney.
www.ajc.com...
In fact, if law enforcement personnel attempt to physically restrain a citizen without reason or probable cause the citizen has the legal right to respond with physical force to oppose that action. He came up behind her and made physical contact first. Now you tell me who owes whom an apology?
She has said she was a victim of racial profiling. It seems the pin she failed to wear, which allows legislators to circumvent the metal detectors, frequently goes unworn by members of Congress because they are known to Capitol police on sight. She questions why the cops find it so hard to remember her and why she is frequently assumed not to belong in hallways of power.
Those are good questions. But you know what? You still don't hit a cop. That's Black 101, something we instill in our boys for when they get pulled over for the crime of being. Heck, it's Common Sense 101. Even if the cop is rude, wrong or racist, stay cool and complain through channels."
Originally posted by Toelint
Just saying what I think here...why isn't Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in Jail right now? The Left screams when a white male Republican Congressman takes a bribe. So why not scream when a black female Democratic Congresswoman decks a security guard at his station?
By the way, this isn't the first time McKinney has had run-ins with security. In fact, she's had FIVE different altercations with the security staff, all for the same reasons. She then has the audacity to wave the Sex, AND the Race Cards!! Hmm...Rush the security guards to gain entry to the congressional offices..punch the one who tries to stop you...then scream sexism and racism...to win the sympathy vote??Wow! Look at that! There IS a conspiracy tangent here!!
Originally posted by Tyriffic
Those are good questions. But you know what? You still don't hit a cop. That's Black 101, something we instill in our boys for when they get pulled over for the crime of being. Heck, it's Common Sense 101. Even if the cop is rude, wrong or racist, stay cool and complain through channels."
usatoday.com
MCKINNEY SPEAKS
Rep. Cynthia McKinney's statement to the House:
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I come before this body to personally express, again, my sincere regret about the encounter with the Capitol Hill Police. I appreciate my colleagues who are standing with me, who love this institution and who love this country.
There should not have been any physical contact in this incident. I have always supported law enforcement, and will be voting for H. Res. 756 expressing my gratitude and appreciation to the professionalism and dedication of the men and women of the U.S. Capitol Police. I am sorry that this misunderstanding happened at all and I regret its escalation. And I apologize.
The good ol' boy cracker-crats of the Republican party are having themselves a regular hootenanny over allegations that Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney landed a punch on a security guard at the Capitol.
Seems that last week, the congresswoman went around the Capitol metal detector, a congressional privilege, and was grabbed by a guard. The congresswoman responded to this assault by, report has it, applying a fist to the offender.
The Republican speaker Dennis Hastert, and the press, have gone wild. There was even a verbal assault on McKinney carried on Fox TV by ... Tom DeLay.
That crazy congresswoman is at it again. Or should I say, Black congresswoman. Yes, I should say it, because, don't kid yourself, "Black" is what it's all about.
Originally posted by jsobecky
And she had no excuse for hitting the officer. What if a mother carrying an infant had grabbed her for some reason, and she turned around and struck the child in her rage?
Originally posted by jsobecky
A couple of points that have been brought up need clarification:
1. She has not served consecutively since 1992. She was defeated in 2002. This is brought up to correct any impression that she has been in office continuously since winning her first term, and thus implying that the police should know her as a "fixture".
2. The picture in the Capitol Police office was taken in 1993. That was thirteen years ago. Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I look significantly different than I did 13 years ago.
McKinney staff members said she had not been recognized at least once before as a member of Congress.
Her office released a video from a documentary that shows a white officer demanding identification from her as she entered the Capitol grounds with a film crew upon her return to Congress in 2005. She had lost a reelection bid in 2002.
by jsobecky And she had no excuse for hitting the officer. What if a mother carrying an infant had grabbed her for some reason, and she turned around and struck the child in her rage?
The unidentified officer wants to press assault charges against McKinney, who allegedly poked him with her cellphone Wednesday morning as she tried to bypass a metal detector while walking into a House office building, said Capitol Police sources familiar with the incident. Members of Congress are not required to pass through such magnetometers.
Originally posted by Odium
That's cheap JsoBecky and you know it.
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You deliberatly tried there to distort the security guard into a woman with a child, when it is more than likely he is nearer to my build if not bigger. You go grab middle aged women from behind and see what happens...I'm sure the Police will have something to say about it.
Furthermore, no article has said when the photo was taken but rather that one was placed up in the security office then. Logically they'll have changed it over-time, just like her ID card photo. Also, I've still yet to find another black female resident of these offices...
Originally posted by seattlelaw
When is poking with a cellphone hitting someone?
battery n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight. Negligent or careless unintentional contact is not battery no matter how great the harm. Battery is a crime and also the basis for a lawsuit as a civil wrong if there is damage. It is often coupled with "assault" (which does not require actual touching) in "assault and battery."
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
If she stabbed him with pen would you also say she hit him?
And for Pete's sake, how do you make that jump of illogic to her opposing his offensive physical contact and her reasonable response to it with your hypothetical of striking an infant in rage? What a leap!
Originally posted by Odium
Tyriffic, you've also [like everyone else] forgot to mention a few points when you sum things up:
They don't need to go through the gates.
They don't have to wear the badges [they're meant to].
She was on the phone
The Officer grabbed her from behind.
And so far from the list of tenants of this group of buildings, she is the only black woman.
You also gloss over the facts that at least twice, white women have been mistaken by the security for her.
There is a picture of her in the security office.
It's not so one-sided, when we bother to bring all the points into it. :dw:
Originally posted by jsobecky
battery n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight. Negligent or careless unintentional contact is not battery no matter how great the harm. Battery is a crime and also the basis for a lawsuit as a civil wrong if there is damage. It is often coupled with "assault" (which does not require actual touching) in "assault and battery."
Well nothing's as simple as it seems, is it? Your definition actually doesn't contain the three required elements for criminal battery. These include (1) the conduct itself, i.e., touching, (2) the mens rea or mental state of the defendant, and (3) the necessary harmful result to the person.
Blacks Law Dictionary 5th Ed. West Publishing.
From what I have seen here none of the elements of the crime have been clearly established. She is alleged to have "poked" him with her cell phone, but this is not admitted. But the mens rea requirement - that she intended harm - is lacking. In addition I have seen no statement wherein the "victim" officer has claimed he was harmed in any way. Like I said, those cell phones sure are sharp!
Additionally, what might technically otherwise be a battery may be justified. Self defense comes to mind here. Try and grab me from behind and you might find yourself in a world of pain. Remember, she was armed with a cell phone, the cop was probably armed with pepper spray, nightstick, gun, etc. And he had back-up as well. Poor wittle guy. She oughta be ashamed.
By seattlelaw If she stabbed him with pen would you also say she hit him?
By jsobeckyI'd say she stabbed him. What are you trying to do, play word games here?
It's all in the details, my dear. State of mind, what struck whom and when, who struck whom first, who made the initial offensive physical contact, was anyone privilged? Etc.., etc. It's just not as simple as you people make it out to be. I mean, we've got to earn those exhorbitant fees don't we?
By seattlelawAnd for Pete's sake, how do you make that jump of illogic to her opposing his offensive physical contact and her reasonable response to it with your hypothetical of striking an infant in rage? What a leap!
By jsobecky Either she lashed out in reactive mode, or she knew who she was striking. There are those who say she acted reactively. That was the point I was making.
And the point I am making is that this guy completely over-reacted. This is a member of Congress, not some tourist bum off the street. I am insulted for her that this guard tried to manhandle her and I applaud her opposition to his behavior. There is nothing I've seen that says she was running away or refused to provide ID or refused to stop when asked. From what I've read the guy just reached out and tried to manhandle her. That is always wrong under the present circumstances. Let's not lose our human dignity in the rush for the suffocating blanket of police security. Whaddya say?
Either way, she struck another person. How can you condone that?
Are you serious? We've bombed the H out of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. We're zapping them with bullets and missiles. We're water-boarding them to near drowning, we're stacking them naked like cordwood for giggles. We're raping them, we're killing them in custody with sacks over their heads while their arms and legs are bound. We're isolating them and humiliating them. We've completely destroyed what little infrastructure they had following 10 years of unethical sanctions that cost the lives of 500,000 children. We've irradiated their homeland with enough 'depleted' uranium to ensure that babies are still born or born grossly deformed through permanent and genocidal damage to their genetic information.
And you're worried about an armed guard getting poked with a cell phone? Are you kidding me? Is this some kind of sick joke? Hon, you've got to work on your priorities here. Why not voice some concern for those who aren't packing guns for a change?
[edit on 10-4-2006 by seattlelaw]
Originally posted by jsobecky
Cheap? You're wrong. I said that in rebuttal to the posters that have tried to condone her actions as acting out of impulse. If we are to accept that she acted out of impulse, then my point is perfectly valid.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Or, maybe you're trying to say that she recognized the person as an officer before she struck him? If so, how does that make it any less wrong to strike someone?
Originally posted by jsobecky
It has been written that it was posted in 1993. Thirteen years ago. So it has to be at least that old. Or are you trying to help me make my case?
Originally posted by VeeTwin60
Those of you who are defending Cynthia McKinney, you haven't got a clue.
I'm from Georgia.
She is a psychopath. I don't give a rat's behind what her views are of this administration - she is a plain nut case.
And I will prelude my next comment with this - I am not racist... not even close. But, there is a reason she keeps getting re-elected in her district... figure it out.
Originally posted by Prophesy"Rush the security gaurds"
That is a lie.
We need more people like Ms. McKinney, who have the temerity to demand that maggots like Rumsfeld explain why the Pentagon gives contracts to companies like Dyncorp, who traffic in child sex-slaves.
And who have the temerity to ask Rumsfeld and General Myers if the wargames which just so happen to be going on the morning of 9/11 in any way maybe mighta perhaps coulda "interfered" with the response(lack of) to the hijackings.
If you want to post a "lefties are hypocrites" thread, why not just do that?
You go, girl!
Originally posted by seattlelaw
Originally posted by jsobecky
battery n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight. Negligent or careless unintentional contact is not battery no matter how great the harm. Battery is a crime and also the basis for a lawsuit as a civil wrong if there is damage. It is often coupled with "assault" (which does not require actual touching) in "assault and battery."
Well nothing's as simple as it seems, is it? Your definition actually doesn't contain the three required elements for criminal battery. These include (1) the conduct itself, i.e., touching, (2) the mens rea or mental state of the defendant, and (3) the necessary harmful result to the person.
From what I've read the guy just reached out and tried to manhandle her.
you've got to work on your priorities here
originally posted by Odium
However, if this was to happen outside,
A crime is not always a crime, it is dependent on culture, era and wider social settings -