Flyer's Fan, I have given some time and thought to your post. I decided to answer the post using logic. Namely, yours.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
She had no right to complain. SHE is the one who didn't follow the
rules. SHE is the one that 'forgets' her ID. Others who forget their
ID have no problem walking through a metal detector. It's no big
deal. She could have done it. AND as far as her complaining about
'not being recognized' .. facial recognition isn't the only criteria for
entrance to the Capitol without going through the metal detectors.
ID is required. It's the law. She shouldn't be above the law simply
because she's a black woman.
I have said it in three posts that I do not condone her behavior. But somehow, you seem to remind me again and again that just because she's simply
Black does not mean that she is above the law.
You're right. But remember to keep those same standards until after the post--especially for White politicians. I'm sure you will.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
Where did you see 'all black women are nutz'?? No where. This is
about McKinney alone. That is obvious.
Of course, this thread is about Ms. McKinney. That was not my point. I said that I felt like wanting to ask if that was the "racial stereotype"
that other posters were thinking of all Black women, if not Black people in general. I never said anyone commented all Black people acted that way in
any of the posts. Never in that statement did I refer to Ms. McKinney. But your failure to understand my point seems hypocritical.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Flan
She claims she was grabbed inappropriately. However, when questioned
on TV by reporters she refuses to say exactly how she was so
' inappropriately' grabbed. The Capitol security guard said that when
she refused his order to stop and come back to go through the metal
detectors that he grabbed her arm to stop her. That's minimal
restraint and has nothing to do with 'buttocks' as you brought up.
I know that--which means that you had a second failure to understand my point. I posed the question as a hypothetical situation. Such as, "What
would Skippy do?"
I said:
How would you feel if some officer grabbed you inappropriately(No one ever said how he grabbed her.)? Let's say the cop, feeling his oats,
grabbed your buttocks while trying to catch you. He's thinking, "You're no better than me. How dare you walk past me thinking that you're
'uppity'. I'm going to teach you a lesson."(After all, who knows what he was thinking?) Would your "fight or flight" instincts take over? Would
you swing around to hit him? Or would you just smile, and say, "Thank you, may I have another?"
BTW, you didn't answer what you would do. But maybe, you'd say, "Thank you, may I have another?"
Originally posted by Flyer's Fan
She's not 'one little african-american woman'. She's a member of congress
who did not follow security rules in our nation's Capitol building. She is
a member of congress who struck a Capitol security guard for no good
reason. What other experiences she may or may not have had with
other law enforcement are not relevant. Her 'color experience' is not
relevant either.
Yes, you told me once again. But to say that her other experiences with law enforcement are irrevelant strikes me as being a tad bit arrogant. So,
you're saying that if Ms. McKinney had good experiences with law enforcement that doesn't mean anything? Oh, of course not. You only assume that
she didn't have any good experiences with law enforcement. Thank you. I stand corrected by the expert of all things legal concerning the Congress.
After all, you're going by your logic.
BTW, what on earth did you mean by "color experience"?
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
WE THE PEOPLE deserve to have members of congress who will follow
the security rules that are in place. WE THE PEOPLE deserve to have
our security officers treated with dignity and to be obeyed. If the
TV is treating Ms. McKinney like a laughing stock, she has only herself
to blame.
I guess WE THE PEOPLE do. And yes, police men and women do deserve dignity and respect. But, also by your logic, "racial profiling" doesn't
exist. Crooked cops don't exist. Of course, cops who use excessive force do not exist. So you're saying, even if they beat you to death with their
billyclub, you have to obey them. Tell that to all the protesters who were hosed down by cops and bitten by dogs, while they were trying to campaign
for their right to vote in the 1950's and 1960's South. I'm sure some of them are still alive.
But that's not all.
That's why I decided to save the best for last. Because I think you said by your logic that no one should be above the law. Well, you meant that
for Black people, but until you say otherwise, I am going to assume that you meant White people too. And going by your standards, I am just going to
list a series of articles that talk about the certain "Congressional shenanigans" of members of Congress. After all, you are the EXPERT. Don't
let little old me get in your way.
Here goes:
I couldn't forget Mr. DeLay. What a rule-follower,
he is. Here he is at his finest:
Reliable Source
House Majority Leader Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is a tobacco-chewing, meat-eating Texas Republican who likes to drink red wine and smoke cigars.We're
told that during a recent dinner with about 30 political supporters at a downtown Washington steak house, DeLay walked out on his guests before
dessert when the manager told him he could eat and drink but not puff.
The dinner was organized by the leader's daughter and campaign manager, Danielle DeLay Ferro, as a fundraiser for Armpac, Delay's political action
committee, at Ruth's Chris Steak House on Ninth Street NW. But because the restaurant leases space in a building owned by a federal agency -- in this
case, the Smithsonian Institution -- the law forbids smoking. The prohibition is posted on numerous signs inside and outside the restaurant. But after
the main course, DeLay went into "hammer" mode, trying to compel manager Tom Khandker to flout federal regulations and lift the ban. We hear the
conversation went something like this:
Khandker: "I'm sorry, sir, but this is a federal building, and it's against the law of the federal government."
DeLay: "I am the federal government."
GOP Members indicted, investigated or convicted. And it has your favorite, Tom DeLay.
Not to forget,
Jack Abramoff's Campaign Donations List
Abramoff's Allies Keeping Distance. A neat little article that talks
about all his ties to congress people.
Citizens for Ethics Memo. This lists all the "kickbacks" that certain Congress people received from Abramoff.
And what about Katherine Harris? Is she held up to your standards? After all, I assume from your posts you know what's right as the expert of all
things Congressional--including their security habits:
Wikipedia.org
Controversy from the MZM Scandal
In 2005 and 2006, Harris faced political controversy when a major corporate campaign donor, defense contractor MZM, Inc., was implicated in a bribery
scandal that resulted in the criminal conviction and resignation of California congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham and conviction of MZM founder,
Mitchell Wade. Wade bundled together contributions from employees of MZM, and reimbursed those employees for their contributions. (Also see Riscorp
above). [20].
Harris has maintained she had no personal knowledge that her campaign was given illegal contributions. For its part, Wade admitted that the donations
to the Harris campaign were illegal and were part of an attempt to influence her to MZM's benefit. [21]. Documents filed with Wade's plea say that
he took Harris to dinner early in 2005, where they discussed the possibility of another fundraiser and the possibility of getting funding for a Navy
counterintelligence program in the member's district. [22].
After meeting with Wade, Harris sent a letter on April 26, 2005, to defense appropriations subcommittee Chairman C.W. Bill Young, in which Harris
sought $10 million for a Navy project backed by Wade. [23]. In the letter, Harris emphasized the importance of the project, asking that it be added to
her list of five priorities and identifying it as her new No. 3. (Harris has released the April 26 letter, but neither she nor Young would turn over
the standard request form used for the proposal.) [24]
Mona Tate Yost, an aide to Harris, left to work for MZM during the time Wade was pressing Harris to secure federal funding (April or May of 2005).
[25]
Notwithstanding these controversies, Harris has developed a reputation for prompt constituent service, due perhaps to her insistence on a close
liaison between her district and Washington offices.
Lest we forget, the
Katherine Harris 'W' Files
All right then. I will hold these people in the same esteem you hold Cynthia McKinney. After all, we are going by your rules of justice. I'll be
waiting to see whether they end up as laughing stocks or not. At least, I have that decency about me.
One more thing. When I said that Ms. McKinney deserved dignity, I asked for that dignity on the behalf that she is a fellow human being. Of course,
it was nice of you to mention the fact that she was a Congresswoman--many times in fact. But, I now know that you don't even think of Ms. McKinney
of even worthy of humanity.
Ceci
P.S. I do commend the line of reasoning that Odium and jsobecky are following so far since my post. They are both treating Ms. McKinney's situation
with seriousness and reasoning as would any other case. I also commend Saphronia's comments as well.
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If I am innocent, I do not apologize or back down. Think on this
logically.......please.............
I have been in similar scenarios in military life and LAW ENFORCEMENT life................all follow the rules. 
