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Is Bill, the homeless man, Gods messenger?

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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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About 4 months ago, a voice inside my head said to pick up the bible. This was a surprise to me, since I've always believed in God, but thought the bible was difficult to read, and frankly, boring. I've tried to read it before, but only really read Revelation with any interest.
To my surprise, once I started reading it, starting from the beginning, it began to make sense to me, and was like a good book that I couldn't put down. I got so into it, that I began to go to bible study and began to attend a local church. But a vision that came into me was a vision of a future where all come to the same belief, that God exists and we have the control over our lives. And this didn't coincide with what the church was teaching, which was if your not saved and baptized, God doesn't love you. I started to debate with the pastor, something he didn't like at all. But it was like information that was exploding inside of me, and I couldn't keep it in.
Then on Jan 26th, 2006, I had a profound dream. I was given a treasure map, and after finding the treasure, I found a wooden lamb that was hollow inside, which was full of uncut, natural diamonds. Suddenly, I was outside the house where the treasure was, and wings began to grow on my back. I flew over the ocean and dropped a handful of these diamonds into a ring of fire in the water. Immediately, people began to fly out of the ring and up into a hole in the clouds. Then I woke up. I was surrounded by a sweet smell that I can't quite describe for the next two hours.
The next day, I was on my way to an estimate (I'm an electrical contractor). I passed by an obscure bench by the river, and there was a man sleeping on it. A voice told me to pick him up on my way back. So I did. He turned out to be a black man, about 5'10", with ice in his beard. It was very cold that morning, and why he was sleeping by the river, I don't know. I took him home, made him some tuna helper, he took a shower and I washed a shirt for him. I gave him a pepsi and a fruit juice. He drank the juice, and left the soda. He asked if he could stay for a couple of days. I said that he could stay in my old motorhome out back. I told him he might need to clean it a bit, since my girls had been playing in there. I went out to check on him after about an hour, and to my surprise, the motorhome was spotless. I asked him if he wanted anything, he said, do you have any fruit? So I got him some fruit, a jug of water, a tv with antennae and a vcr with a bunch of movies. I had to show him how to operate the vcr, and left him alone for a while.
That night, I invited him in for dinner. To my surprise, my girlfriend didn't object. I bought a bottle of red wine, even though I hadn't drank since Christmas. Then we began to talk. He was fascinating. Intelligent, articulate and polite. That night in bed, my girlfriend and I both agreed he had to be a holy man.
The next day, I had to ask, are you Jesus? He said he was the only one truly connected to Jesus. Then I began to ask questions. After a while, I completely believed him. Then I asked him why me. He said, I've been walking around the US, into Canada and Mexico for 27 years, and you're the first one to treat me with dignity and to believe me. He said, if you don't believe, you don't see.
He stayed for about a month. My girlfriend began to get jealous. She also had a dream where Bill and I are standing together naked, and we intertwine and go up into heaven. This freaked her out, and assure her that nothing like that was happening. She eventually asked him to leave. I would have went with him if it wasn't for my kids. During this month, many things happened, including twice where I literally saw the clouds open up and rays streaming down on the motorhome. And one time, I went into the motorhome without knocking, and I swear I saw Bill stepping out of another dimension or something. I quickly stepped back out of the motorhome and knocked.
During that month, I took over 20 pages of notes. Bill drew several pictures, some which I still have. He had a message. It was that the time for the prophecy in Revelation is passed. It didn't happen, and we are in new territory. The closest thing to a prophet these days are science fiction writers, because they can put an image of a potential future. He said our future looks bright, but we are out of control, like a stuck accellerator in a car. He said we need to quit building machines of war, and put our efforts to better mankind. He said our government has known about him for a long time. And God is not very happy with them, because they are oppressing us. He said Herod started a curse, a dominoe effect, or, he called it "cleave on little". He said the only true sin is suicide, or self-destruction. He said that gold will go to $3000 per ounce, but those that own it won't be able to sell it.
He gave me a bunch of ideas, some that seemed silly at first, until I started to look into them. He said God can communicate with us in many ways, like your horoscope, a good movie, etc. I asked him how I should make people believe. He said don't worry about it, just put the information out there. It's like a mustard seed that will grow. He said watch the news, and you will start to see subtle changes that will become more and more prominent.
Anyway, sorry about the long post, but this is why I'm here. Bill is gone now, to where, I don't know. His ideas continue to challenge current beliefs, and I continue to search for the truth. The more I search, the more I believe in Bill, and God. There is a ton more, a books worth, and I'm glad to share it with anybody that asks. People think I'm nuts, but I know the truth, so it doesn't bother me. I always thought it would be more glorious, but I now see that it's exactly the way Jesus was accepted when he was here.
By the way, Bill said Mary Magdalene was the mother of Jesus. Something I've neither been able to prove or disprove.




posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 01:52 PM
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I think every single person on the planet is the messenger of God. We only need to remember this......realise this, and be at peace with it.

Each person has a connection to the source...wich guides them through life. This source may not be guiding anyone ELSE beyond the individual.....so you need to follow you OWN heart more so than the advise of others...be still and KNOW you are connected, and are aware of your own very best personal path.

[edit on 31-3-2006 by theRiverGoddess]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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Rivergoddess. I believe we need to follow our own heart, but if we just worry about ourselves, how do we help those who are lost? If Jesus had just worried about himself, a man, I believe, who simply stuck to the prophecy. He was God's son because we are all God's children, right. Had Jesus not followed the prophecy, do you think he would have been remembered, or even recognized as the son of God?



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 02:14 PM
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this Bill guy seems very clued up, did he ever say that he made himself homeless intentionally, can you post some of his drawings please



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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As an agnostic, I have a problem with full belief in a god. Yet I believe an afterlife is much more plausible. I also give revelations a certain degree of credibility, I have studied it immensily in the past.
If a saviour was ever to return, it is indeed my opinion that they would not be tied down by possessions, we have too many possessions as rabid consumers.
The saviour or the truth bringer would indeed be humble.
Often times I have wondered if that bum could be an observer of the human race, and how we behave, someone sent from the heavens by god, or alien observers would certainly be homeless, so would also look the part.

The homeless and the bums are closer to the truth than any seeker of human comfort and riches. They are not motivated by money and prestige, therefore their minds are less cluttered by the BS we have to deal with everyday, cable bills, rents, mortgages, taxes and all that, plus the means to get $$$ to pay this crud with, clutters the mind with blinding stress.
I wish it were a simpler time, or at least a fairer, cleaner, greed free world, but that world would also be free of humans, at least the humans we are now, we need a genetic upgrade.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 02:32 PM
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He said he became homeless after he left his wife. He went to California and when he went back to his wife, she had remarried. The pictures I have are of Egyptian looking pharohs. I will IM you my website, since admin has asked me not to post it here. There are pictures of Bill and a few of his drawings on my site. I didn't get them all before he left. But I saw some of his drawings of cars that travel on a cushion of air, and space stations. He said the hybrid cars should use two banks of batteries, one for power, while the other recharges. He also said the pyramids were made from concrete, with the granite blocks being rolled into position with granite balls. But God has left the mystery of the pyramids for man to solve. He said there is a secret hidden in Turin, Italy. He said Jesus has been here since the beginning of time, and continues to be here today. He changes his appearance, and name. But he was only recognized as Jesus.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Toadmund
As an agnostic, I have a problem with full belief in a god. Yet I believe an afterlife is much more plausible. I also give revelations a certain degree of credibility, I have studied it immensily in the past.
If a saviour was ever to return, it is indeed my opinion that they would not be tied down by possessions, we have too many possessions as rabid consumers.
The saviour or the truth bringer would indeed be humble.
Often times I have wondered if that bum could be an observer of the human race, and how we behave, someone sent from the heavens by god, or alien observers would certainly be homeless, so would also look the part.

The homeless and the bums are closer to the truth than any seeker of human comfort and riches. They are not motivated by money and prestige, therefore their minds are less cluttered by the BS we have to deal with everyday, cable bills, rents, mortgages, taxes and all that, plus the means to get $$$ to pay this crud with, clutters the mind with blinding stress.
I wish it were a simpler time, or at least a fairer, cleaner, greed free world, but that world would also be free of humans, at least the humans we are now, we need a genetic upgrade.


Excellent! It's ironic, but it fits. Bill said he was so disgusted by Las Vegas (he spent 7 months there) he walked to Flagstaff, AZ on the opposite side of the road. He gave me the idea about moving the ice that's breaking off from global warming that I posted in another thread. He said that "they" (the illuminati) infected him with AIDS. Then someone gave him a overripe crate of plums, just before fermentation, and he ate the whole crate, and was cured of the AIDS. He went to a specialist, who said he was completely cured. He wore a ballcap sometimes, that had a ram on it. He was/is very nice, and completely trustworthy. He helped me on a couple of electrical jobs, and picked things up very quickly, and was amazingly energetic for a 64 year old man. He said he drove a taxi in Washington DC for several years, before he became homeless. Tons more info if you folks want to know.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 03:06 PM
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stompk,
Will you send me your website?
I am so interested in this!
I have had a strong feeling for some time now to read the Bible from beginning to end.
Like you , I found it very confusing but I started reading it last night and it all seemed so clear and simple.
I would really like to see Bill's drawings.
Thanks!



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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Of Course we want to hear more infomation on bill
Very Interesting.


[edit on 31-3-2006 by Blackfire]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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I'd like to see the photo's and drawings also.

Please U2U me a link to your site if you're able. Thanks.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 03:31 PM
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Bill was dissapointed that more information about the two thieves on the cross was not known. He said they were Italians, and that Jesus knew them before the crucifixion. They were both saved, not just one of them. He said that Jesus had a choice whether to follow the prophecy or not. Jesus chose to die on the cross because the statement would last through time.
Alot of times, I would say something, or ask a question, and he would encourage me if I was on the right track, or discourage me if I was wrong. He said that earth is the only planet created for life. So the I said "so I guess earth is pretty important" and he looked at me like I had made the understatement of the year, and said "very!". He said that God has a gigantic book that he keeps track of every human being that ever was and is. And God is not male or female, but just is. God is all encompassing. He's inside, and outside.
Shall I go on?



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 03:32 PM
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I think the mods should make an exception to the rule, in this case that the subject matter is a direct extension of this post. If not, could you u2u me your website, much obliged. AAC



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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God is all about love. He loves us. He put everything on earth for us to use. We just need to be wise about our resources. If we continue to look towards doomsday, we can bring it to reality. If we look toward heaven on earth, we can bring that to reality also. Bill said, "take Hawaii for example. It's five fingers sticking up out of the ocean. A fragile place. But God leaves them alone, because they are a peaceful people. But look at Indonesia. Alot of bad things are happening there, and God keeps sending natural disasters. This is the hand of God at work"
Bill said, "the bird flu is the work of the illuminati. People who are in control are ruled by fear of losing control. This is what happened to Herod. He set a curse in place that continues to this day. It's like whittling down a stick. Pretty soon, you have nothing left to whittle." He said God has been very patient, but He is beginning to lose his patience, and that is the reason for all the natural disasters lately.
I asked him about the terrorist threat. He said they are destroying themselves.
I asked about paganism. He said paganism doesn't mean today what it did when it was formed.
I asked about homosexuality. He said man should not chase after men. Men should not have sex with each other. He said he believes in marriage, between a man and a woman.
He said that the bible is our guide, but that people have literally gone crazy trying to interpret it.
He said that Africa should tap into Victoria Falls, and irrigate the land.
Bill said that when Cheney shot his hunting buddy, I was a sign to him. He was really upset about it. He said that the government will inflict a whole restaurant with sickness, just to get at him.
He said that Atlantis did exist, but they began to think they were gods, so God destroyed them. But that the Atlantians understood many things that we don't today.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 04:34 PM
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stompk plz email me the website also, Im fascinated with prophetic persons.

and yes the homeless DO look at the world differently...........hence..........homelessnesssssss

[edit on 31-3-2006 by tommyb98201]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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I'm drawn into you story. It is fascinating. Your kindness brought tears to my eyes. I have always had a soft spot for homeless people and sometimes wonder if some on them are angels to see how kind hearted we can be. I always give when I can.

Please send me the link too. I'm very interested in what he has to say and his drawings.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Sure, Bill is a messenger of God. And Hitler was a messenger of God. Jim Jones, Oral Roberts, Mother Teresa, Mike Tyson, and me, too, depending how you decide to define "God."

So let me tell you what God thinks.

God is all about balancing creation with destruction. He wants the good people to be good, and the evil people to be as evil as can be. He wants the world to thrive to a point, then he wants the whole thing to be destroyed (which is obvious to anyone reading any holy scripture, not just the Bible). Because that's what he does. For God, 1 will always equal 0, and black is the same thing as white.

If you'd like to know anything else, just ask me. I have a direct line to God, and he's open 24 hours for your convenience.




posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Enkidu
Sure, Bill is a messenger of God. And Hitler was a messenger of God. Jim Jones, Oral Roberts, Mother Teresa, Mike Tyson, and me, too, depending how you decide to define "God."

So let me tell you what God thinks.

God is all about balancing creation with destruction. He wants the good people to be good, and the evil people to be as evil as can be. He wants the world to thrive to a point, then he wants the whole thing to be destroyed (which is obvious to anyone reading any holy scripture, not just the Bible). Because that's what he does. For God, 1 will always equal 0, and black is the same thing as white.

If you'd like to know anything else, just ask me. I have a direct line to God, and he's open 24 hours for your convenience.



Enkidu, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:07 PM
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This thread is especially interesting to me for the following reason. My father, who passed away almost 5 years ago, always told me to treat the homeless with respect and to help them. His reason was that "you never know who it is- that homeless man could be Jesus Christ himself." My father was never big on giving them money as you'd run the risk of them just spending it on drugs and alcohol. So, when a homeless person would ask for money, he would instead take them to the closest food establishment and buy them a good meal. Most of them were grateful for this.

On a funny note, towards the end of my father's life, he changed his ways when dealing with the homeless. He was a pretty funny guy, so he started to give homeless money when they asked for it, and he'd say "now, I'm gonna be really disappointed if you don't spend this on drugs or alcohol!" lol.

Anyway, to the original poster- could you please U2U me your website? I also think that the Mods should make an exception with this thread and allow you to post the URL. But I doubt they will. They'll just say rules are rules and they don't want to let one person post their website and start an epidemic of people demanding exemption from the rules.

On another note, I think a couple of you have made some pretty broad statements about the homeless. While some of them are wise people, well-grounded, and live the life they wish to live, many are not those things. Many have problems with substance abuse, mental problems, etc, etc. They're really not all good people. In fact, some can be very dangerous. I don't know if I would have the courage to let some strange homeless man who makes such extraordinary claims, regardless of how convincing, live behind my home while I have young children and a girlfriend in the house. It's just too risky in this day in age. I have always thought about one day if I'm rich, finding a homeless person who wants to better themselves and is just down on their luck. I'd like to make them over, get them a roof over their head, a wardrobe, food, etc, etc and help them get a job and/or education and not have to live in such bad conditions anymore. I think it would be a good thing to do.

If I had success at this, I'd continue doing it. But only one homeless person at a time. I feel that is one of the problems with programs for the homeless out there- there just isn't enough focus on individuals, or funding to help them. I mean, you need an address, transportation, clothing, the ability to read and write, etc, in order to get a job in most places. Without such fundamental things there is little hope for a homeless person to get out of their slump without someone with the will and the financial resources to help them.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by stompk
Enkidu, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I am only doing the Lord's will.


His reason was that "you never know who it is- that homeless man could be Jesus Christ himself."

On the other hand, so might Donald Trump be Jesus Christ. He seems very Christ-like to me. After all, the Original Jesus was not poor, by any means.

[edit on 31-3-2006 by Enkidu]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not in the habit of picking up homeless people, although I've changed that point of view in light of the recent events. I used to give them money too, but with Bill, I was told to pick him up. I believe the voice in my head was God, and I chose to act on it.

Bill was unusual. He didn't stink when he got into the truck. He staggered when he got up from the bench, so I assumed he was drunk. Came to find out later, that he staggered when he got up because he had been beat up many times.

Bill drank three times during his stay with me. The first night. Then about two weeks later after work one night I paid him and bought him a six pack of Corona. He had two beers left a week later which we shared a beer together. Then I made a crab leg dinner in his honor one night, and had a bottle of white wine. The bottle lasted two days. I asked him what he thought about drugs. He said he smoked pot one time. One of his "fares" gave him a joint after he "discharged" them, and he smoked it in his cab. He said it really messed with his depth perception, and he basically let God drive him home. He never smoked again, and he had never done any other drugs.
He wanted to get a cat scan, because he said it would prove who he was. We went to the hospital, and I got a indiginous application for him, which he filled out, but my girlfriend made him leave before he could get it done. The doctors said that he would need a reason to get one, but somehow I felt he would convince the doctors. I was also trying to help him get his social security card, drivers license and birth certificate, but that was also cut short because of his early departure. It was truly a sad day for me, and I'm still not completely over it. I felt that my girlfriend could have at least waited until we got his social security stuff back, since he was eligable for it. Everyday I think about him out there, sleeping in the cold. It was so little for us to give up, to give the man a warm, dry place to sleep. But I think that maybe it was supposed to be that way, because my horoscope say that I'm not to fault. And my girlfriend keeps having a dream about us being in paradise, next to a big waterfall. She says it's a wonderful dream. I think she realizes that she may have been wrong, but she won't admit it.
So if you see him, tell him I got his birth certificate.



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