Wow, new reply dialog script went into action in the middle of my post...
thought i was lost there for a minute...

I agree regarding the catholic dates... they were tainted for religious agendas..
but look at the hindu religious texts (vatsayana?)... and start connecting the dots...
lots of parallels.

good luck, and hope to see more of your research.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Wow, new reply dialog script went into action in the middle of my post...
thought i was lost there for a minute...

I agree regarding the catholic dates... they were tainted for religious agendas..
but look at the hindu religious texts (vatsayana?)... and start connecting the dots...
lots of parallels.

good luck, and hope to see more of your research.

You should probably read this entire thread.

Re the elongated heads: As I recall from my art history courses, Egyptian art was very stylized. The Egyptians certainly didn't have ropy, rounded fingers although they're drawn and sculpted that way. Nor is Tut's skull abnormally long. There's lots of humans (just look at the picture of Egyptians and Africans) with skulls that look very much like that.

There's no evidence that the super-long skull sculpture is anything but a stylized version that they thought was beautiful. Kind of like Barbie dolls -- they're appealing to a number of folks, but if you saw a human actually SHAPED like that, they would be a complete freak.

Each of the Middle Eastern cultures had distinct art styles that changed as tastes changed. But until you find a skull that's just like that sculpture, don't assume it was a reality.

On a related point:

Whoever pointed out the crown thing -- I sure hope you weren't trying to imply that the bulge in the double crown was to emulate or hide a long skull! The shapes of the Egyptian crowns are well known and there's about a dozen or so that we were shown when I studied that. The heads of the wearers were all normal.

There's crowns in museums, you know. They're pretty conclusively shaped for a normally proportioned head.

Originally posted by MMP
Why haven't stargates been discovered before by some mild manor academic person by accident? I'm sure the places in your research have been regularly visited and extensively excavated. It seems to me the odds are astronomical for one not to be found and made public with multiple gates existing in the world.

That's what I'd like to know!

Besides, governments are VERY bad at keeping secrets. Ditto secret organizations (real ones like the Yakuza and the Mafia.) We have governments that can't keep details of their spy programs out of the hands of the news reporters and politicians who for revenge will blab the names of an undercover agent.

You're right -- there aren't any confirming voices from prominent public figures that I've ever seen. I've seen a few "anonymous cowards" who could be anything form a high school kid with a lot of spare time on their hands to a psychotic mental patient claim to be Important People with Knowledge, but I have yet to see any of them stand in front of a real reporter and name names or give real evidence!

Good question!

Originally posted by Indellkoffer
aha! There's the message I originally wanted to comment on!


Actually, the only ones who practiced the "droit du seigneur" were the European feudal kings and nobles.

The problem is you're assuming the ancient texts were all fabrications. You're basing that assumption on three hundred years or so of engrained belief of the German High Critics, who basically decided if its an old text, and if it mentions a supernatural force, it must be a fabrication, a fairy tale, a myth. I disagree. I think the ancient texts are historical. You don't. And there's the rub.

I also believe the ancient texts are historical. I put more faith in them than all of the "rewrites" of the bible.

I think if undo was just trying to make a buck here she would have bowed to the pressure by now. Real stargates or not, she is putting a hell of a lot of effort into researching this subject and in my opinion she's doing a great job of it so far.
It's mostly theory and logical deduction at this point, but I think she's making a good case for the possibility of stargates.

Keep on keepin' on undo!

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Oh and I should add, that Gilgamesh was also fond of the first born thing so it isn't isolated to Europe. It all over mesopotamia and from the looks of it, Egypt as well.. I've always wondered why Herod, Jehovah and etc, killed first borns, specifically. Think about it.

Originally posted by Beer_Guy
I also believe the ancient texts are historical. I put more faith in them than all of the "rewrites" of the bible.

I think if undo was just trying to make a buck here she would have bowed to the pressure by now. Real stargates or not, she is putting a hell of a lot of effort into researching this subject and in my opinion she's doing a great job of it so far.
It's mostly theory and logical deduction at this point, but I think she's making a good case for the possibility of stargates.

Keep on keepin' on undo!

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Thanks, Beer_Guy. I think the bible has been put together from ancient oral histories. It serves an invaluable purpose in more ways than one. Let me give you an example:

In the King James Version of the bible it says that God was going to destroy the "images of the egyptians." When I looked up the original hebrew, it was "mastabas"! That's not the word for images, that's what they called pyramids in their time, although technically it was a forerunner of the pyramids, a bench style burial plot, which egyptologists theorize was the basis for pyramids (a mastaba on top of a mastaba on top of a mastaba).

The question to ask here is, if that did indeed happen, there may be demolished pyramids out there, buried in the desert sands of Egypt!




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undo

your research and apparent indepth knowledge of this topic is impressive. how long have you been researching this topic? i'm fascinated by this and just curious as to how long it has taken you to gain this depth of knowledge. its mind boggling.

i fully appreciate your dedication to this topic and your patient answers to the pages of questions posted to you.

i'm just curious as to your background and how your interest was piqued to get involved in this subject?? is your background in anthropology, archaeology, ancient civilisations or what? are we reading an entire lifetimes research from you?

i've always been fascinated by the ancient civilisations.............more so than my own country's history (bad for me i know) but your wealth of knowledge not just on stargates but on the entire subject of the ancients is so detailed.

thanks much for your contributions and i look forward to seeing more information from you. i have the links to your books but haven't been out to read them yet. saving that for the weekend


angie

Undo, you think the Annunaki are the one and the same as the Elohim? (Plural and not singular like it has been translated) I think they are one and the same, it is a shame that the true history of the world has been clouded by dogma and fanaticism, but I believe sometime in the future people, or at least some, will come to understand and see the truth of the ancient history of Earth.

Ancient texts, such as the Vedic scriptures, describe how the Gods gave technology and even vimanas to ancient man, they misused this knowledge and brought humanity back to 0 as they used atomic weapons against each other. I wonder if we will make the same mistakes once again.

Originally posted by amb1063
undo

your research and apparent indepth knowledge of this topic is impressive. how long have you been researching this topic? i'm fascinated by this and just curious as to how long it has taken you to gain this depth of knowledge. its mind boggling.

i fully appreciate your dedication to this topic and your patient answers to the pages of questions posted to you.

i'm just curious as to your background and how your interest was piqued to get involved in this subject?? is your background in anthropology, archaeology, ancient civilisations or what? are we reading an entire lifetimes research from you?

i've always been fascinated by the ancient civilisations.............more so than my own country's history (bad for me i know) but your wealth of knowledge not just on stargates but on the entire subject of the ancients is so detailed.

thanks much for your contributions and i look forward to seeing more information from you. i have the links to your books but haven't been out to read them yet. saving that for the weekend


angie

thanks Though I loved my humanities teacher and world religions classes, I was actually majoring in medicine, natural medicine, to be exact. But I have been studying biblical texts for many years. It's only been the last two or three, that I've branched out into studying the various world religions in depth. I did spend about a year studying ancient Egypt, but I don't think I retained it. I still have to look up sources, quote, and so forth. And I definitely couldn't translate hieroglyphics or cuneiform.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Undo, you think the Annunaki are the one and the same as the Elohim? (Plural and not singular like it has been translated) I think they are one and the same, it is a shame that the true history of the world has been clouded by dogma and fanaticism, but I believe sometime in the future people, or at least some, will come to understand and see the truth of the ancient history of Earth.

Ancient texts, such as the Vedic scriptures, describe how the Gods gave technology and even vimanas to ancient man, they misused this knowledge and brought humanity back to 0 as they used atomic weapons against each other. I wonder if we will make the same mistakes once again.

Actually, the usage of the word Elohim in that instance (there's a thorough treatment on this topic by a linguist and scholar of the ancient languages), is a reference to the supreme God or the God of the gods. He's having a conversation with the gods, who are the elohim (minor gods or angels or anunnaki, as it were).

I agree with your references to the vimanas, although the texts seem to indicate the gods and their hybrid offspring were the culprits, as humans were mere slaves and the occassional dinner.

Do you think the Egyptians ever actually had a stargate, or were they just recreating the symbology of Enki's ziggurat? Maybe trying to entice the gods back?

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Do you think the Egyptians ever actually had a stargate, or were they just recreating the symbology of Enki's ziggurat? Maybe trying to entice the gods back?

It's a toss up at this point. Perhaps antediluvian? I'm having trouble finding anyone who will agree on the age of the Osirieon or the Great Pyramid, so it's really up in the air at this point. I think they are both very ancient, and were claimed when they were rennovated.