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reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 04:00 AM by ATSATTACK
ATS BEWARE


AboveTopSecret.com - Disinfo Stooges?

A while ago I posted about an interesting encounter between the signs-of-the-times.org and abovetopsecret.com websites, as reported by Laura Knight-Jadczyk in her blog. Now it appears that a lawyer acting on behalf of ATS tried to get the Signs of the Times server shut down by using strong arm intimidation tactics. And this from a so-called "conspiracy site" with the motto of "Deny Ignorance"!

I've been an interested reader of SOTT for some time, but this latest episode really has me wondering if they're on to something here. Why is a site that claims to be the "#1 conspiracy discussion portal on the 'net" getting so upset over a piece of 9-11 analysis done by another website? To the point of getting lawyers to harrass their webhost with stories of "death threats"? Seriously, what is the big deal?

In my opinion, it's starting to look like ATS have something to hide, and it could well be government connections. If that's the case, then what are the implications regarding what SOTT have been saying about 9-11? Could they be one of the few sites on the 'net with a good idea of what really happened on that day - thus requiring they be silenced in as covert a manner as possible? "Plausible Deniability" and all that?

Ironically, the lawyer involved works for a firm that can be found on the 'net at mofo.com. Appropriate, or what?

If you're interested in reading the whole saga, SOTT have just published a synopsis on the ATS attack on their latest daily news page. It's well worth reading all the posts regarding the subject on LJK's blog, too.

It's probably just coincidence, but it's interesting that this seems to have happened just after actor Charlie Sheen spoke out in support of the 9-11 truth movement, too. Are the American people starting to realise that Bush and Co are giving them the proverbial "mushroom treatment"?


reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 05:59 AM by Truth4hire
This is the correct link
Edit: the link cannot be posted??? When you replace the # by signs[dash]of[dash]the[dash]times.org it does work. How strange....

I must say, do you really think you can come here and make such claims without being kicked off the board? It will be interesting to see what happens to this thread and the OP.

The answer if ATS is connected or not may lie in the responses.

My initial response is: It seems strange to react like this on a blog, even if it is questioning or attacking another board. What is even more odd is the use of a lawyer from a very expensive firm. I would not expect this kind of punch available to a forum which uses advertising for funding.

[edit on 27-4-2007 by Truth4hire]


reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 05:59 AM by Zoneraver
"I did a trace route on www.abovetopsecret.com... the Node Name is listed and maintained by the government.
IP Address 213.206.128 213.206.129 213.206.130
Node Name Gov-bb21-lan-14 Gov-bb22-lan-15 Gov-bb23-lan-16
Location Langley, Virginia
MS 60
Network Used whois.nic.mil (for military network information)
It was difficult to get the IP Address, It was spoofed and looped over 9 times. Anyway Langley, Virginia is where the CIA headquarters is. I'm more than concerned."

Does it start making sense to you? The Above Top Secret website is GOVERNMENT sponsored. By deception...


reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 06:12 AM by 12m8keall2c
Originally posted by Zoneraver

"I did a trace route on
www.abovetopsecret... ... blah blah blah."

Does it start making sense to you? The Above Top Secret website is GOVERNMENT sponsored. By deception...


not that again

It was an April Fool's joke ... someone needs to check their homework hahaha

[edit on 27-4-2007 by 12m8keall2c]


reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 07:27 AM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by Xeros
Could one of the three Amigos please give a rundown of their side of the story, if there is any truth in this, just to clear things up a bit.



There continues to be a great deal of misconceptions regarding the incident with the rebuttal of Catherder's 9/11 Pentagon article by Joe Quinn.

First, let me be clear that we did previously, or do not now, have any serious ill-will toward Mr. Quinn and his SOTT partners. I always thought he provided insightful contributions to the "conspiracy theory community", and it's clear that he still does. Things became somewhat "heated" during the episode, but that has passed and we're all grown-ups.

Mr. Quinn developed a well-regarded rebuttal to this similarly well-regarded posting by CatHerder:
9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon. Mr. Quinn's piece, due to the structure of the way he addressed the points in CatHerder's piece, was a derivative work and did not properly credit the source as clearly identified in the copyright notice at the bottom of the post. Additionally, while our Creative Commons deed allows for anyone to use the content with proper attribution, it cannot be user for commercial purposes, and Mr. Quinn's piece appeared to be used to attract traffic to sell books.

As is all too often the case, our enthusiastic support of Catherder's efforts were seen as "supporting the official story" of 9/11, and a great deal of hurtful comments were made about us by people at the SOTT forum. I think there is no secret, among ATS regulars, that our opinion of the "official story" is bunk... but many people cannot fathom our ability to support intelligent analysis of all sides of any given conspiracy as a necessary path to the truth.

Admittedly, our initial contact, because of the comments we saw, was somewhat "over the top" as we sought proper credit and usage of our member's work. However, calmer thoughts quickly prevailed and after a couple exchanges, made it clear we would be happy with:
1) Giving proper credit and link to the source of the material they used
2) Removing the ad for their book from the page (other ads could remain)
If they did that, we would even link to Mr. Quinn's rebuttal and encourage discussion. At no point did we seek to remove Mr. Quinn's well-presented contribution to the analysis of the events at the Pentagon.

Unfortunately, our offer was not received kindly, and our "agnostic" stance that enabled analysis of all sides of any conspiracy was interpreted to mean we were "government shills" of some kind. As a result, all manner of odd material was dredged up and twisted into a negative presentation... including content that was an April fools joke (the government IP nonsense).

Our short-lived relationship with a particular attorney (who was also a site member) didn't help. Once you go down the path of asking a lawyer to resolve an intellectual property dispute, lawyers do what lawyers do and no holds are barred. A stern letter resulted in temporary suspension of SOTT hosting, which is not what we intended.

One important item that has not made it into the incorrect material published about this mess is the tidbit that we have disengaged ourselves from that attorney, and his account on ATS is terminated. Such tactics are not compatible with our long-standing stance of collaboration.


So there you have it. A mess that lingers online in several postings of incorrect information. We generally choose to ignore it and focus more on continuing to operate a highly ethical environment that encourages anyone to post anything as long as it's done with civility and respect.
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