AboveTopSecret.com Equals Government Disinfo
Or so it may appear, according to a new blog entry by Laura Knight-Jadczyk. I must admit that I've paid ATS a few visits, but I always stopped short
of registering to post. I'm not sure why... it seems like a popular forum active in many subjects I find interesting, yet I always found the attitude
of the moderators a little "off". I can't really put my finger on what it was, but it was enough to dissuade me from joining the forum.
Well, LJK's post really puts that feeling into perspective! Check this:
The very next thing that happened - within hours of writing the above - was that we received an email from Above Top Secret as follows:
Mark - firstname.lastname@example.org From : USA wrote : I am disgusted by your accusation that AboveTopSecret.com, LLP is a "Government funded damage
control outlet" I ask that you retract that lie.
My partners and I have spent the last several years building that site and have NEVER received a nickel from ANY government, never been asked to
do ANYTHING for or by ANY government and NEVER WILL.
The fact we attract logical members who present THIER analysis and ask that other members treat them with COURTEOUSNESS and keep the discussion at
an ADULT level sans flames and rediculous off topic commentary does NOT make us anything more or less than what we are. The number ONE destination on
the internet to FREELY Deny Ignorance.
It is truly SAD that when a site allows ALL sides of an issue to be heard people like YOU who believe hook line and sinker there is a conspiracy
where there may or may not be one, feel the need to falsely accuse us of being crooked. It makes me SICK and SAD for you.
You obviously haven't read the THOUSANDS of posts that actually SUPPORT your perspective on our site, no that would be too much work wouldn't
Much easier to cast a negative light upon our site in the hopes of getting yourself some attention isn't it?
Thoroughly disappointed in and DISGUSTED with YOU.
Well well well..... touched a nerve, perhaps? Seriously, if ATS gets so much traffic that it makes them a "number one site on the internet", why
care about what some other website says? Especially if your site claims to have such a pro-free-speech attitude? Are ATS concerned they will lose
credibility with their "conspiracy community" if such statements are made? Why would a site that purports to discuss conspiracies even care about
"credibility" anyway, considering that the phrase "conspiracy theory" has become such a perjorative term (no thanks to the mainstream media)?
Seems like an over-reaction to me. But to continue:
Now, what would have happened if he had written to me and said: "Hey, I read your piece and even though we disagree on the subject, I would like
to object to being labeled a disinfo source. I set up the site for the same reasons you have your site: to find the truth. I just don't see any
evidence of what you are saying... " etc etc...
But, since he is not there to argue the evidence, but rather to promote the lies, he can't do that. And people like that only know one way to
function: to seek to destroy the other views by ridicule, shaming, playing guilt cards, aggressive insults, etc. Even if they try to mask their
behavior by platitudes about being adult and courteous, they belie it by their own words. In other words, they know the words, but not the music. They
are blind to their own lack of courtesy to the truth.
Or, they are disinfo...
My money is on the latter.
This is the beginning of a very interesting article. After discussion of the recent situation, she then turns to the subject of ATS's mysterious
founder - a certain "Simon Gray".
I leave it to the reader to draw their own conclusion about whether or not AboveTopSecret was setting itself up as a money making venture, or to
be a "vacuum cleaner" operation. Of course, the two objectives are not mutually exclusive! One thing is certain, this "Simon Gray" was way too
busy and energetic to be the playwright. Whoever it was, it looks like he's out to make a million bux one way or the other. This frenzied promotional
activity for the past 7 years or so will become quite interesting when we consider "Christian Bailey," (coming up) so keep it in mind.
I would also suggest that the reader go to the webarchive and go back over the history of AboveTopSecret.com and notice that it was quite
obviously set up to draw in alternative researchers from the very beginning. Why? Obvious answer is to vector ideas.
This makes sense to me. If you are a government wanting to keep track of "dissent" and "thinking outside the box", what better way than to create
a free forum for people inclined to such things to communicate? You could set up all kinds of nifty analysis packages on the server to generate
reports on who knows what, plus the agents themselves could (ever so subtley) "discourage" discussion which might threaten to reveal information
contrary to the government's interests. The article then continues on to discuss some speculatory links between ATS and US propaganda agents involved
in Iraq psy-ops.
So is this the real truth behind ATS? I'll leave that to the reader to decide, but it seems that LJK isn't the only one with suspicions.
How deep does the rabbit-hole go?
posted by Mr Whippy @ 01:43 5 comments
At 3:15 AM, Anonymous said...
I just shared this comment on the, IN DEFENCE IF THE INNOCENT, site;
Please oh please, encourage all who care to shut down the Multi Billion Dollar International Child Sex Industry, to share this blog at Above Top
Secret and keep hammering them to keep it alive.
It's supposed to be the Worlds Biggest Conspiracy site yet these stories are played down, buried and their posters attacked.
If you are a surviving victim sharing your own story you'll be attacked for being a crazy lier and worse.
When I complained to admin. that someone advocating 10 y.o. children should be able to have sex with adults if they wanted to, was against the
law, the admin. said I had no valid complaint and refused to even 'warn' them, so I posted that that is a paedophile 'fishing' tactic for like
minded people, and I was locked out and THEN the thread disappeared.
I was also attacked for refusing to say that THE TORTURE SACRIFICE OF A 3YO FOR UNLIMITED RICHES, is NOT wrong or evil.
I was accused of being 'judgemental' of other religions and cultures.
The site is just too big and popular to be left to keep growing. Everyone who cares about truth and justice for the voiceless innocent, should
hammer ATS to death.
I put up a long hard fight, drip feeding the truth, politely and by the rules, posting on many subjects so as not be accused of an agenda (yes to
ATS, alerting people to this evil is an "agenda" that means your opinion is bias or a lie)so in the end they just stuck a 'warn' tag on my posts
and locked me out.
It's hard enough to find sites that support survivers without this worlds biggest conspiracy site attacking those who do dare to speak out. The
clear message is, "SHUT UP OR ELSE!"
They are also very pro-secret society and occult and anti-Christian. To them, doing majic is wise, but doing what Christ asked is stupid. God
doesn't exist, Lucifer is cool and NO Respected and Important people are involved in the Child Sex Trade.
The flow and tone of the site has actually made me vomit but I plugged on in the hope that some readers may see that ATS has the "agenda" of
silencing the efforts of those who care, and survivers reading would see they are believed and supported.
If you're interested I could post some links to prove their 'agenda of evil', or you could just go there and search threads tagged with
keywords on this topic and see for yourselves how hard they work to keep this issue out of peoples awareness and understanding.
The mods. manipulate, with a heavy and constant hand (over 50 of them, all like minded and regularly posting their opinions and attacking those
who differ)they do not moderate.
At 1:55 PM, Anonymous said...
AboveTopSecret is the biggest joke on the internet. They are TRUELY disinformation specialist. THEY ALLOW DISINFO AGENTS TO POST ON THEIR FORUMS
AND SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION. There was an instance a guy was asking people to debunk his 911 "facts" in his thread. Another smart guy comes up and
disproves half the stuff he says with pictures and well thought out points. The thread starter blurs out straight lies, appon lies, and the smart guy
gets angry at the lies. The thread starter claimed that nobody was in the Pentagon during the 911 impact. The smart guy shows FACTS about 125
employees that were killed in teh Pentagon, and the thread starter has the nerve to deny it. How can you deny such a thing?? The smart guy proceeds to
call the thread starter IGNORANT, meaning "he has lack of knownledge". The smart guy gets 2 WARNINGS from the moderators, and then later BANNED from
the site. Just for telling someone he lacks knowledge.. THEN, after being banned one of the moderators says, "There will be no more insults, and
anyone with the IGNORANCE (in italics) to disobey will be shorted out". So they ban someone for calling a person ignorant, then they proceed to use
the same word as a wraning. To ice the cake, the well known "catch phrase" for ATS is "DENY IGNORANCE".
As the user is banned, the thread starter continues to spread his LIES and anyone who challanges him is ignored, or answered with a really stupid
saying, "I won't believe it till you prove it". Once you prove it, he ignores it, and starts the whole circle process over.
ATS allows stupid, idiotic, childish, lost, little kids that don't have a slight clue what the heck they are talking about, to post on the forum,
and spread complete lies.
Supposidly they have rules against posting knowingly false info, but most of this false info is ignored, because the moderators are to #ing stupid
to know the difference. They are power hungry little wannabe internet police.
At 6:18 PM, Anonymous said...
Fear is the prime motivator behind the decisions to ban members from visiting other sites. How do I know? I was there from the beginning, having
seen the machinations of the board at the highest levels over the issues of Abovetopsecret.com renegades over a number of years.
As a leadership we were scared that the dissatisfaction expressed by the disposessed would spread to the members on the board. As a result members
were banned from interacting with the named other boards in case they were poisoned and lead astray. It was a fear of losing control, a fear of losing
members, and most importantly, numbers.
Can you name one other board, just one, that so controls its members that they are banned from joining, participating or even reading other
websites? Go on, just one. How about the members of Digg, Black Vault, Offtopic, or any other site. Have you ever seen such control exerted over
members on any other board? Well have you?
And now we reach the crux of this little rumination. To maintain control of the board the leaders of ATS must control the thought lives of the
members. Like East Germany, dissent is to be feared. And like East Germany, control is exerted through the leadership and through the staff, staff who
individually are good people, but forced to follow the party line and adhere to the party rules. There were good people running the cattle trains in
Nazi Germany as well.
StuffUCanUse.com has become ATS's newest watched website
Moderators Only » Updated List of Websites To Monitor for ATS Member Postings
At 11:29 PM, Anonymous said...
ATS is a Joke , They Ban anyone who dissagress to " Strongly " with there moderators , Im all sure its all part of some deal with Governemt
departments or something to keep nutjobs all on one site !
At 4:42 AM, Anonymous said...
ATS is a joke it is Government funded, they use it as a big database on people..
Anyone who finds out or questions their motives, they ban!!
Everyone should beware and Boycott this site.
Peeps dont realize that they are the people we all despise that are running this site, this is how some groups in government find out what people
are discussing on conspiracy sites on line..
They fill it with disinfo..
And operate like a dictatorship in their little clique groups..
If someone is getting near the truth they destroy the thread by arguing and ridicule, exactly like the Governments spooks do in everyday life..
You stand up for yourself and go against that then they ban you.
Springer and Skeptic Overlord are real Governmental working disinfo agents, that rule with an iron fist, just as bad as George Bush..
They are partly funded by the C.I.A. which says a lot..
They have a lot to answer for, and more people need to wake up..
They are the Ignorance that should be denied..
Be very careful on that site, i know of people who have had little visits from the Feds after a run in with those boys.
Watch your backs.
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