The Bible is not the word of god

Saint4god declares that there is a second set of commandments somewhere, obviously based on word on the street!!! Then demands evidence that Moses was a Hoaxter and Magician.

Well saint4god, i say prove the second set of commandments exist, prove that the said commandments are actually from "god", then prove to me that "god" exists.

I will be waiting with bated breath....


Edit: Typo

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Conspiracy Theorist]

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Saint4god declares that there is a second set of commandments somewhere, obviously based on word on the street!!!

No, based as stated in Exodus 32 & 34:

"When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, "Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don't know what has happened to him."
Aaron answered them, "Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me." So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, "These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt."

When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, "Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD." So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'

"I have seen these people," the LORD said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation."

"But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. "O LORD," he said, "why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say, 'It was with evil intent that he brought them out, to kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth'? Turn from your fierce anger; relent and do not bring disaster on your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.' " Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the Testimony in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back. The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets.

When Joshua heard the noise of the people shouting, he said to Moses, "There is the sound of war in the camp."

Moses replied:
"It is not the sound of victory,
it is not the sound of defeat;
it is the sound of singing that I hear."

When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf they had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it. "

"The next day Moses said to the people, "You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin."

"So Moses went back to the LORD and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written."

"The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. Be ready in the morning, and then come up on Mount Sinai. Present yourself to me there on top of the mountain. No one is to come with you or be seen anywhere on the mountain; not even the flocks and herds may graze in front of the mountain."
So Moses chiseled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the LORD had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. "

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Then demands evidence that Moses was a Hoaxter and Magician.

I haven't demanded anything, but nice job added character to an otherwise neutral request.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Well saint4god, i say prove the second set of commandments exist, prove that the said commandments are actually from "god",

Done.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
then prove to me that "god" exists.

My proof will not convince you. If you'd like to get your own proof, I can help with that.


[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

well most of your eveidence seems like hearsay to me.... But i suppose were to take it as fact based on your faith

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
well most of your eveidence seems like hearsay to me.... But i suppose were to take it as fact based on your faith

Don't take my word for it, ask God.

One cannot prove that the "subject" is "telling the truth" by asking the "subject" if "it" is lying.

Completely off topic:
By the way, has anyone noticed that this thread appears doubled up in their recently subscribed threads list since a couple of days ago? Why is that?

Also why is it that every post I have seen with the word "anyway" is spelt with an "s" on the end of the word?

Sorry to ask but it has been bugging me for a while now and I keep forgetting to bring it up.

[edit on 26/1/06 by mytym]

Conspiracy theorist said:

Saint4god declares that there is a second set of commandments somewhere, obviously based on word on the street!!! Then demands evidence that Moses was a Hoaxter and Magician.

It's true, Saint4God never stated any of those things.

This post is double for me as well.

Originally posted by mytym
One cannot prove that the "subject" is "telling the truth" by asking the "subject" if "it" is lying.

Unless the subject will not lie.

Originally posted by mytym
Completely off topic:
By the way, has anyone noticed that this thread appears doubled up in their recently subscribed threads list since a couple of days ago? Why is that?

*shrugs* Dunno. You're more observant there than I am.

Originally posted by mytym
Also why is it that every post I have seen with the word "anyway" is spelt with an "s" on the end of the word?

Common colloquialism. I think it started as "teen speak" about twenty years ago, along with breakdancing and "valley" talk.


[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

When I referred to the "subject" I was talking about the Bible, not God.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Toadmund
Where's the second set then?

Dunno, but would like to see it if you find it. Word on the street is it's still floating around somewhere. Can't tell ya more than that.

Originally posted by Toadmund
Moses was a hoaxter and magician anyway,

And your evidence for this declaration?

Looks like he said it to me

I think he was joking on the first part, but the second part, there it is, Saint wants me to prove wether Moses was a hoaxter, well, I'll take a line from the religious folks.

The proof is written right there in the bible! That's all the proof you need


[edit on 26-1-2006 by Toadmund]

Originally posted by mytym
When I referred to the "subject" I was talking about the Bible, not God.

Do they say two different things?

Originally posted by Toadmund
I think he was joking on the first part, but the second part, there it is, Saint wants me to prove wether Moses was a hoaxter, well, I'll take a line from the religious folks.

The proof is written right there in the bible! That's all the proof you need

Be a friend and point it out please. Where does it say Moses was a magician and hoaxster?

[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

It doesn't say it outright.
That is my opinion, and also the opinion of some others.
The bible describes roughly how the ark is made, it describes it as an electrical type device, it can't be touched, it lightnings, it has 2 cheribums as contacts.

And the stuff of miracles Moses performed? How does he compare to David Copperfield, Doug Henning, or Penn and Teller?

Originally posted by saint4God

Be a friend and point it out please. Where does it say Moses was a magician and hoaxster?

Even if it was written verbatim in the bible that moses was a magician and hoaxter this still wouldnt pass as proof in my eyes.

My theory is that the bible is a book, entertaining story none the less, written by mere mortals. Not some all powerful, all knowing entity.

And saint4god, please share the gift of eternal life with everyone right here in public

Originally posted by Toadmund
It doesn't say it outright.

Mmhm.

Originally posted by Toadmund
That is my opinion, and also the opinion of some others.

Yeah.

Originally posted by Toadmund
The bible describes roughly how the ark is made, it describes it as an electrical type device, it can't be touched, it lightnings, it has 2 cheribums as contacts.

Sounds accurate to me.

Originally posted by Toadmund
And the stuff of miracles Moses performed?

Aha! That is a great question. As soon as I have a specific answer, I'll be sure to share. I know the "God told him to" isn't a great answer here, to I'll reposition with this question: Do you believe God would know more than Moses, magicians and hoaxers?

Originally posted by Toadmund
How does he compare to David Copperfield, Doug Henning, or Penn and Teller?

I read how David Copperfield made the statue disappear at length...now I wish I hadn't. He told audiences it was an illusion, I should have just trusted it was a visual trick and let my mind spin on it for a while. I came up with some more creative ways than the reality. Penn and Teller is pretty violent as stunts go and don't know Doug Henning. Here's the thing though, these people are illusionists, not magicians. I was practicing to be an illusionist for a while (got to get some lessons from Jonathan Snow who taught Blackstone a few things www.geocities.com...), but after getting the spoilers on some tricks, the amazement was gone for me and was no longer interested in the show.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Even if it was written verbatim in the bible that moses was a magician and hoaxter this still wouldnt pass as proof in my eyes.

Okay. So you'd believe Moses was legit even if the Book had recorded him as a magician/hoaxter?

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
My theory is that the bible is a book, entertaining story none the less, written by mere mortals. Not some all powerful, all knowing entity.

Certainly your right to hold that theory.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
And saint4god, please share the gift of eternal life with everyone right here in public

A tempting offer, but doubt the mod's would appreciate me talking up many many pages of thread-space having one on one dialogues with everyone here.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by mytym
When I referred to the "subject" I was talking about the Bible, not God.

Do they say two different things?

275 posts on this thread seem to prove that they do.

Originally posted by mytym
275 posts on this thread seem to prove that they do.

"seem to prove"? Can I borrow that line?

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Even if it was written verbatim in the bible that moses was a magician and hoaxter this still wouldnt pass as proof in my eyes.

Okay. So you'd believe Moses was legit even if the Book had recorded him as a magician/hoaxter?

No because i do not believe the bible to be what u believe it to be. I dont take it as fact just because it is written, and some people believe it be

Originally posted by saint4god

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
And saint4god, please share the gift of eternal life with everyone right here in public

A tempting offer, but doubt the mod's would appreciate me talking up many many pages of thread-space having one on one dialogues with everyone here.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by saint4God]

Well im sure u can start a thread title "gift of eternal life"

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by mytym
275 posts on this thread seem to prove that they do.

"seem to prove"? Can I borrow that line?

Could you please explain to me why this thread is 14 pages long, as it "seems" from your comments that we have all been wasting our time, including you, trying to prove something that is a known fact?

Ok let me see if I have this right:

According to you:
God does not lie. The Bible is the word of God, thus the Bible does not lie. Therefore everything in the Bible is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. How am I doing so far? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Could you please direct me to the section in the Bible that refers to the Dinosaurs, as I don't seem to be able to find it?