Originally posted by pepsi78
Originally posted by KsigMason
It's absurd to claim only the greedy is concerned with it's image. Because we are fighting back against your lies doesn't make us bad. Yes, we're trying to fix our image after decades, centuries of defamation.
For who may I ask?
For who are you trying to fix all that?
For current and future Masons. Passively trying to weather obsessive slander has only served to embolden anti-Masons and allow questions to go unaddressed in the minds of those who previously had no opinion about Masonry. And the irony is that if we address known (and often previously-debunked) falsehoods, we're accused of spreading 'disinformation' or worse, being out-of-the-loop ourselves because we somehow don't conform to the antagonistic anti-Mason's idea of who should be 'in the know' (even when the anti-Masons can't explain how they would come to be in possession of such damning knowledge where Masons can't or haven't).
Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Can't you see it's an ilogical answer ?
A) for your selfs?
B) for people like me?
C) for people that don't care?
The rest of categories called others are a minority, very few in numbers.
This is Ksig's quote which you didn't include in your response
Originally posted by KsigMason
I was addressing those who defame the group without any real knowledge.
Ksig's point is goes directly to heart of the vast majority of anti-Mason screeds. This is by far the majority, not a "minority, very few in numbers" as you would have a casual reader believe
Originally posted by pepsi78
Originally posted by KsigMason
What is there to be exposed? We are not a secret society, we are a private society with secrets. Of all the allegations throughout time, there has yet to be any wrongdoing proven.
A private society with secrets is a secret sociaty.
A scecret society is not about just evil or good.
Seen from a neutral point oif view it's a society that is private
and has it's secrets. To have access you have to become a member and take a pledge, and that is the term for a secret society.
Then, if Masonry is so secret, how is it that it's so widely known of and it's rituals publicly available (though not in an authorised manner) for nearly three centuries? As for your second point, the problem is that anti-Masons have been allowed to frame privacy as bad at least insofar as Masonry is at issue. From a neutral point of view, the privacy of Masonry vs. the privacy of any other group or corporation is neither unreasonable nor unusual (even though it's viewed as such).
Originally posted by pepsi78
Originally posted by KsigMason
It has everything to do with good work. We strive to help the community, but somehow it gets twisted by liars to be viewed as a misdeed. That affects our image.
Everytime you state we do good work you incriminate your self more and more. People that really do good things don't brag about it, because they have no intrest. Madona or Angelina Joly will help kids in africa and then brag abot that because it's a publcity stunt.An intrest.
Balancing an unbalanced counterview is not incrimination and in fact, is meant to remind people of the good at the centre of Masonry (especially in a forum predisposed to believe quite the opposite). In fact, part of the Masonic ritual is aimed directly at reminding Masons to do exactly what it is that you propose. To whit, do the good that needs doing in your community because it needs doing and then fade into the background once done. The recognition that matters is not to be had in this life.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Originally posted by KsigMason
What are you expecting to find when "you take us apart"? What wrongs have the Freemasons supposedly done?
Just little social things that are upside down
Pour example?
