Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Sleeper,

Me and my twin brother experience really bad chronic pelvic pain (rectal, genital, etc). I've had daily genital and rectal pain for the past 2 or 3 years. I find that getting angry and letting out anger and sadness can sometimes make the pain go away.

Any thoughts?

[edit on 18-3-2006 by sanctum]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
Hi Sleeper,




I'm sorry if you've explained this before, but for the sake of clarification, are "the fear mongers" keeping us from realizing there is life after death?

Fear mongers come in many disguises and those who fall for their sugar coated ideology and lies usually end up having to do another term on this planet

If more people realized that life goes on after death and what you do in this life determines what you will do in the next------the world would me a much better place

It takes a strong will to see the truth and only those that are determined will see it

Is a person's soul somehow weakened by taking certain substances?

Yes, it’s like taking the easy way-----where in fact it’s a labyrinth with many dead ends, false promises and for many total despair

Dreams don’t happen by chance they require lots of work, concentration and perseverance----getting high usually dilutes those ingredients necessary for achievement

That reminds me of the poem by Langston Hughes titled "Harlem." What is a person suppose to do when their dream dies. Not everyone can be a superstar. Are people suppose to accept their lack of value in the world?

If the boat has a leak in it we have two choices bail out the water to buy some time or sit back and accept the fact that you are sinking----you may die in both scenarios but which one do you think will look better on your résumé for the next life?

Hi Sleeper,

I've got another unusual question for you and hope you will oblige me. Recently on national news, I watched a video of a tornado destroying property in the midwest. People were running for their lives and screaming. Their terror was palpable. Damn if that "thing" didn't look like it was picking and choosing it's next victim. Does ET have anything to do with this deadly "natural" phenomenon? Do they have the kind of power that could initiate or direct a tornado?

Also, somewhere on the net I've seen a television news channel video of unusual objects that were definitely unidentifiable flying into and out of a tornado, in Texas I believe. I don't have the link unfortunately. Perhaps another ATS member has it and can share it with us.

Thanks in advance for your help Sleeper.

Originally posted by highhorse313
I've got another unusual question for you and hope you will oblige me. Recently on national news, I watched a video of a tornado destroying property in the midwest. People were running for their lives and screaming. Their terror was palpable. Damn if that "thing" didn't look like it was picking and choosing it's next victim. Does ET have anything to do with this deadly "natural" phenomenon? Do they have the kind of power that could initiate or direct a tornado?

The unfortunate realities as we humans see them is that death is inevitable and will eventually find us-------and take most of us out of this life kicking and screaming

Not all planets are as horrible as this one-----but some are much worst

For most death is quick and painless and you find yourself in a tranquil place-----the bad part is for those left behind who have to deal with the loss

Can ETs effect and direct tornadoes? That would be a breeze for them

Also, somewhere on the net I've seen a television news channel video of unusual objects that were definitely unidentifiable flying into and out of a tornado, in Texas I believe. I don't have the link unfortunately. Perhaps another ATS member has it and can share it with us.

Like foo fighters in the midst of battle-----some ETs influence and observe phenomena as it unfolds

Everything in life is calculated


[edit on 17-3-2006 by sleeper]

Originally posted by mrjenka
I have a thought. Stop playing with each others genitals and your pains will go away!

I am kidding, have you seen a specialist?

Mrjenka, you are a dirty dirty mr jenka. Lets stay on topic!

Oh well, sleeper, was hoping for your input.

[edit on 17-3-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]

Sleeper,

Yes, it’s like taking the easy way-----where in fact it’s a labyrinth with many dead ends, false promises and for many total despair

What's wrong with taking the easy way in an attempt to avoid total despair? I'm guessing the easy way is the path to total despair? From what I understand, you're saying pain is necesarry for us to realize our potential, but is it wrong to want to lessen said pain?

If more people realized that life goes on after death and what you do in this life determines what you will do in the next------the world would me a much better place

It takes a strong will to see the truth and only those that are determined will see it

Do you have any opinion on Nietzshe's philosophy? By that I mean "eternal recurrence," which promotes the view that life repeats itself exacty the same way over and over again. Also, you frequently refer to people wanting to be superstars. Are "superstars" our cultures "ubermensh"?

I apologize if you'd rather not discuss Nietzsche. I'll try to connect this more to the thread topic by asking if Nietzsche was privy to same source of information that you (Sleeper) are?

Also, sorry to the haters out there for continuing a thread you don't want to continue. This is my fault, and I thank Sleeper for taking the time to answer me.

Originally posted by Kwyjibo

What's wrong with taking the easy way in an attempt to avoid total despair? I'm guessing the easy way is the path to total despair? From what I understand, you're saying pain is necesarry for us to realize our potential, but is it wrong to want to lessen said pain?

We have freewill and can chose to take it easy should we find ourselves overwhelmed by the crap life throws at us----but somewhere along the line you have to make up for it

If you were in military basic training----as an example----and you fell behind because you couldn’t handle the stress and constant abuse----you would have to go back and start over at some point and try again----or get kicked out

Few get kicked out of this existence but we do have to achieve a minimum of what we came down here to achieve----during this life or the next

I can’t speak for your life specifically and if you are content with who you are then perhaps you are on track-----pain is not a requirement to move ahead in this life or any lives----nevertheless, for some that is the only way

Do you have any opinion on Nietzshe's philosophy? By that I mean "eternal recurrence," which promotes the view that life repeats itself exacty the same way over and over again.

Like the move Ground hog day?-----actually that would make things a bit easy; when we fail to achieve a certain thing in this life----and I don’t mean becoming rich and famous---we come back and try it at another angle

Also, you frequently refer to people wanting to be superstars. Are "superstars" our cultures "ubermensh"?

Supermen/women----some are souls of a higher order

I apologize if you'd rather not discuss Nietzsche. I'll try to connect this more to the thread topic by asking if Nietzsche was privy to same source of information that you (Sleeper) are?

He speaks of tortured souls from the perspective of a tortured soul----his intellect and insight suggests he was privy to uncommon knowledge but from where I’m not sure

Sleeper,

I appreciate all your answers, and forgive me for dragging this along.

We have freewill and can chose to take it easy should we find ourselves overwhelmed by the crap life throws at us----but somewhere along the line you have to make up for it

For me this raises the question of freewill vs. predetermined destiny. It's a complicated issue I can't wrap my mind around. I'm only 23, much younger than you and haven't experienced as much. I come from the "prozac generation" of middle class white people with no real problems but still can't deal with their own existence. I don't mean to make this too personal, as I would go see a counselor (again) to deal with my own personal problems. I understand why some have attacked this thread as people are coming to you with questions that have no real answers. Again I must apologize for using you to my own benefit and to the detriment of people who don't relate.

It seems in this age no relationships are sturdy (divorce rates are ridiculous) and bringing offspring into the world would be irresponsible. I admit I'm completely lost as to what purpose (if any) I have, although I have read (from Nietzshe again) that its up to man to give meaning to his own life by willing his own existence and creating his own values (and getting high all the time isn't a respectable value). Some people might take it as me asking you to define values for me, but honestly I'm seeking clarification from a source I deam relevant (you Sleeper), which might come off as weakness but who am I (or anyone else) to judge.

My point is, suicide is apparently not the answer (unless you're a dis-honored ninja), but a slow suicide (by smoking tobacco and other such things) is at least giving life a shot.

I can’t speak for your life specifically and if you are content with who you are then perhaps you are on track-----pain is not a requirement to move ahead in this life or any lives----nevertheless, for some that is the only way

I appreciate you not judging me and then giving disingenuous answers to mock my ignorance. I don't believe I'm on the right track in life, but I'm glad you give credence to that possibility. That (to me) is a testament to the character you've shown in this thread. I've had no reason to believe ET has contacted me directly (except for on massive hallucinogens and psychadelics (salvia, dmt, etc)). I can understand why some are uncomfortable with this thread being in the alien forum, as people like me ask questions that are of no value to them (or you). I'm amazed that you even answer me and that others don't openly mock me for my feeble attempts at illumination.

when we fail to achieve a certain thing in this life----and I don’t mean becoming rich and famous---we come back and try it at another angle

Just to clarify, is that certain thing we are trying to achieve in this life unconditional love (if it is we're all doomed)?

Supermen/women----some are souls of a higher order

In America at least, our superstars do not seem to be souls of a higher order. Our popular artists (in music, film, and literature, and sports) to not seem to be highly enlightened souls, not that I'm saying who's popular corresponds to higher beings. Where are all the souls of a higher order hiding and why are they allowing our culture to disappear into meaninglessness? You say the human race is due to evolve (on a level of counsciousness?) but what can a single person strive for while waiting?

I do not have the intellect to argue you're claims on a metaphysical basis. I guess I don't know what I'm trying to get at and its unfair and lazy of me to continue posting. I'm very glad you've responded thoughtfully (and that you might've liked my joke about grinding pixies into dust).

Thank You!

Hi Kwyjibo,

Excuse me for interjecting here but I am amazed that you are only 23 years old. I bet I'm not alone. More about me: when I was your age, I was a total idiot with the maturity and insight of a filly. It still amazes me I survived my youth and am now the lovely age of 52.

Also, you have no reason to apologize for asking the obvious questions so succinctly formed by your 23 year old brain. I appreciate your questions and comments and look forward to the exchange between you and Sleeper. Are you sure you're only 23?

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
My point is, suicide is apparently not the answer (unless you're a dis-honored ninja), but a slow suicide (by smoking tobacco and other such things) is at least giving life a shot.

We humans have that turned around a bit-----we don’t give life a shot----life is the vehicle that gives us a shot------we prove to ourselves what we are made of when we are not defeated by the crap, and futility of existence-----in other words can we take what life dishes out----even if it’s mind numbing boredom?

Still, there are categories in life, we are on earth for a number of reason but the three main ones are, 1. Punishment for past life discrepancies and crimes. 2. To learn and experience something new and endure a certain amount of problems 3. To enjoy this life----a gift from the gods kind of deal-----for extraordinary achievements in other lives.

Most people are not aware that they are in a category and that’s why life seems unfair and unjust------to the general population

Just to clarify, is that certain thing we are trying to achieve in this life unconditional love (if it is we're all doomed)?

Unconditional love is another thing that is misunderstood by many----to achieve it we must forgive all those we despise----by doing so we dismiss pent-up anger----less anger equates to more harmony-----therefore, unconditional love is a gift to the person who owns it.

In America at least, our superstars do not seem to be souls of a higher order. Our popular artists (in music, film, and literature, and sports) to not seem to be highly enlightened souls, not that I'm saying who's popular corresponds to higher beings.

Many of these souls are here to enjoy life and are not on any assignment-----they are on vacation----many don’t know why their lives are so blessed and they may actually believe it came from a real talent----sometimes it is real

Where are all the souls of a higher order hiding and why are they allowing our culture to disappear into meaninglessness?

Many of these higher souls remain hidden behind the actions of humans----there are millions of good humans out there doing their two-cents of good for themselves and humanity.

But the forces of evil prevail----and they prevail by design-----character and valor don’t happen in a vacuum----it takes place in the battlefield of life

You say the human race is due to evolve (on a level of counsciousness?) but what can a single person strive for while waiting?

I don’t know your strengths or weaknesses, or what motivates you-----as well as you do, but the way you communicate with words it’s obvious you have no shortage of intelligence

All good things come for those who wait----not so-----find that small spark down deep inside and pour gasoline on it

I'm very glad you've responded thoughtfully (and that you might've liked my joke about grinding pixies into dust).

I’m well aware that some posters are pulling my chain but if there is some sincerity along with it I try to respond favorably-----that was a clever angle on the pixie dust----

Sleeper, there is quite a bit of discussion these days about Indigo children, and how they are evidence of the spiritual evolution of humans. They reportedly have larger foreheads, and unusually strong psychic abilities. What do you think of the Indigo phenomenon? Have ETs been tinkering with us again?

Originally posted by indigo_scout
Sleeper, there is quite a bit of discussion these days about Indigo children, and how they are evidence of the spiritual evolution of humans. They reportedly have larger foreheads, and unusually strong psychic abilities. What do you think of the Indigo phenomenon? Have ETs been tinkering with us again?

ETs have never stopped tinkering with humans; and Indigo children are not a new phenomenon every generation since the beginning of time had them in their midst.

High foreheads and strong psychic abilities are not signatures of star children

Varying degrees of psychic ability exist in all humans and non-sentient animals

We can communicate with anyone in the world with a simple device called a cell phone

Yet the cell phone and its corresponding paraphernalia support systems are no match to the communication device that is standard equipment in every brain

That equipment has always been there the only difference now is that more people are becoming aware of it, and some are learning how to use it

Sleeper, what is the best way (in your opinion which I hope will be influenced by ET) to improve our ESP skills? I'm serious as a heart attack.

Originally posted by highhorse313
Sleeper, what is the best way (in your opinion which I hope will be influenced by ET) to improve our ESP skills? I'm serious as a heart attack.

Hi 313

It don’t get anymore serious than that-----


ESP works best around others who also have the ability and know that they have it

Like the cell phone if the person you are trying to reach is without one what good is it?

That is one reason many people get frustrated with ESP----they keep getting busy signals

More people have to get on line before ESP can be a viable communications device

Nevertheless, ESP is very simple to use you simply think of the person and the message and keep sending that signal until they receive it

If they are completely off line then they will not receive the message or perhaps they are not associating the message with an external source.

However, you must agree that humanity in general is not ready for mass consumption of ESP

It can easily be subverted and used to damage the minds of unsuspecting persons

Can you imagine boiler rooms of highly advanced psychics filling the airwaves with psychic spam?

For now ET is keeping the lid on----but allowing a few people to play with that power so that it remains a viable probability for a future time

Sleeper I have been reading this thread from the beginning. I do not believe you or disbelieve you. But I do have a few problems.

One is that you often say "we" are not ready. Due to the fact that we don't believe you 100%. It isn't because we aren't READY, it is because you come on a message board, on the internet, tell us about outrageous experiences and ideas of yours (which this board has seen MANY of them). And then you just expect people to believe you. We aren't in the Middle Ages anylonger. We want proof. This age is a (semi) age of REASON. Maybe some people are naive and will believe anything posted on this board, but I for one, and I know others are not and will not. I don't believe in the bible either. Why? Because there isn't any proof. Now, I will not go and say everything in the bibe is false, or your story is as well. Why? Because I have no proof

My other problem is. You say, "ET" created everything. They are the masterminds behind everything. So are you saying all the discoveries and projects (Manhatten Project for example), was just a play? You suggest humans can't think up anything for themselves? Now. If there are beings that are thousands or millions of years ahead of us, then they are probably much more advanced obviously. But give humans some credit. I know, as a human, and living amongst humans, that we can come up with some things ourselves.

By the way if you are lying, I suggest you stop immediately. If you are telling the truth that is great. I personally don't care about aliens and god, but many here do, intently. And they will believe ANYTHING. Some would probably have been a member of Heavens Gate and killed themselves. So be careful. Your stories do have influence over some here.

“IMHO, the Hindu concept that there is a point in evolution whereby the soul becomes free from the reincarnational cycle, is inaccurate. There are many discarnates who are not obligated to incarnate. It is really a matter of choice. Past life regression research confirms this.”~ Paul Richard

Yes, I understand that there are many who are discarnate and not obligated to incarnate. Although, there are also many incarnates who continuously go through reincarnation due to their desire to lord it over material nature.

Note: Hinduism encompasses a broad spectrum of religious philosophies, were many philosophies have their own sub schools of thought, so how can you be so bold (or knowledgeable) as to say...

“IMHO, the Hindu concept that there is a point in evolution whereby the soul becomes free from the reincarnational cycle, is inaccurate. ”~ Paul Richard

Please, more research.

Past life regression research confirms nothing.
That's why it's called research. The most ludicrous part is the amount of people who seem to have lived the same lives.
But this thread is about-
"Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face."
And we still wait to get on topic after 78 pages.

Originally posted by UnconciousSelf
Sleeper I have been reading this thread from the beginning. I do not believe you or disbelieve you. But I do have a few problems.

One is that you often say "we" are not ready. Due to the fact that we don't believe you 100%. It isn't because we aren't READY, it is because you come on a message board, on the internet, tell us about outrageous experiences and ideas of yours (which this board has seen MANY of them). And then you just expect people to believe you.

I don’t expect anyone to believe me------ready or not

We aren't in the Middle Ages anylonger. We want proof. This age is a (semi) age of REASON. Maybe some people are naive and will believe anything posted on this board, but I for one, and I know others are not and will not. I don't believe in the bible either. Why? Because there isn't any proof. Now, I will not go and say everything in the bibe is false, or your story is as well. Why? Because I have no proof

You say people are not naïve and don’t believe in things they have no proof of----statistically four billion people believe in one type of god or another----yet no god has laid claim to this planet or it’s 6.5 billion inhabitants

Billions believe that we are alone, a freak accident of nature in a universe filled with bazillions of stars and planets-----if that’s not naïve then you tell me what it is

My other problem is. You say, "ET" created everything. They are the masterminds behind everything. So are you saying all the discoveries and projects (Manhatten Project for example), was just a play?

The human brain is a receptor for knowledge-----humans did not create the brain nor do we know how it works-----ET created the brain and they upload the software that we use to make things

By the way if you are lying, I suggest you stop immediately. If you are telling the truth that is great.

The truth is what I tell

I personally don't care about aliens and god, but many here do, intently. And they will believe ANYTHING. Some would probably have been a member of Heavens Gate and killed themselves. So be careful. Your stories do have influence over some here.

Hundreds of books have been burned in the last two thousand years because someone deemed them dangerous----China limits the content of the internet for its people because there are crazy ideas like democracy floating around it-----which can damage their present system

How far do we go to protect people? And who decides what we need protecting from?

Those people in Heaven's Gate were educated adults----they made bad choices----that’s part of that pesky freewill thing we all have to deal with

First off. The people who believe in you will probably believe in god, etc. I personally don't share that belief. And the people who believe in some sort of divinity without proof is a hell of a lot larger than 4 billion.

You have compared yourself to a religious "enlightener", like Jesus, and how nobody believed him, and they stoned others. Well the thing is, you are EXACTLY like Jesus. Giving "us" spiritual and great fantastic knowledge. Without PROOF. Would you take a drug from a pharmaceutical company if it did not have clinical trials, or proof that it worked? Why should anyone believe you or your little alien friends of anything they say? I know what your answer will be, "I don't care if you believe me or not." Well if you don't, then why must you always post?

It would be simple for someone to do what you do. Post and make up lies. So instead of making up your same answer ("I don't care if you believe me or not"), why not answer my question. How can you expect people to believe this really far out story?

I love how you say that we will find out soon enough. Don't Christians and the bible say we will find out the truth too? That Revelation will come? I have heard many people say aliens will be here as well and reveal themselves soon (hasn't happened yet!), yet you give a totally different story of aliens and what they want and/or plan to do.

And if they "gave" us all of our knowledge. Why don't they give us some knowledge of cures to diseases? Do you want to know how cures, drugs, appliances, etc. are found out? They are TESTED. In things called experiments. Why would "ET" have us do that at all? If they just give us the answer anyway.

My final issue. You said ET created bad things, (mescaline for example), to tempt us. Like in the book of Job. How does that make sense at all? Don't aliens/ET have anything better to do with their lives? Honestly.