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Originally posted by RANT
I didn't exactly say it was fluff. I actually think this particular tower of babble stands as grand testament to the conspiracy that is neo-christianity.
Constant cries of persecution and pleas to be above examination during it's bid to take over the government, then the world as it spreads the gospel in every context it can aside from spiritual.
I'd just like the posters to expand on their efforts beyond "people don't convert when I tell them to so it's a conspiracy against me."
I'm sorry you can't locate the threads "targeting" Islam. Have you tried the War on Terror forum?
And it's a foreign language blog with blue smilies. Granted, blue smilies are evil: and not as Christian friendly as the this little guy: ...but a conspiracy?
Originally posted by shaunybaby
just because people are against christianity doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. for centuries christians tried to wipe out other religions because they weren't doing things how 'christians' thought things should be done.
it's just people expressing their oppinions on organized religion over the internet.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. rome in the end adopted christianity anyways.
Originally posted by Toelint
As far as Rome turning Christian, well, that didn't come about until the middle of the fourth Century. Does that discount the 350 years of lions getting fat on Christian meat?
Originally posted by Toelint
Originally posted by shaunybaby
doesn't mean there's a conspiracy. rome in the end adopted christianity anyways.
As far as Rome turning Christian, well, that didn't come about until the middle of the fourth Century. Does that discount the 350 years of lions getting fat on Christian meat?
[edit on 5-8-2005 by Toelint]
Riley
Roasted witch anybody?
What the Romans did to christians pales in comparsion to the crusades [genocide], inquisitions, child abuse [and child stealing], abusing nuns etc etc... the difference is many christians have been abusing others for alot longer that '350' years.. and still are.. it's a bit pathetic for a group to cry persecuted victim when the same people have contributed to another thread futher down bragging about 'the power of christianity'.. how can something so strong be so weak? Thats a bit of a contradiction. It's kind of like the school bully beating up some nerds for fun and claiming it was self defence.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Toelint
As far as Rome turning Christian, well, that didn't come about until the middle of the fourth Century. Does that discount the 350 years of lions getting fat on Christian meat?
Roasted witch anybody?
What the Romans did to christians pales in comparsion to the crusades [genocide], inquisitions, child abuse [and child stealing], abusing nuns etc etc... the difference is many christians have been abusing others for alot longer that '350' years.. and still are.. it's a bit pathetic for a group to cry persecuted victim when the same people have contributed to another thread futher down bragging about 'the power of christianity'.. how can something so strong be so weak? Thats a bit of a contradiction. It's kind of like the school bully beating up some nerds for fun and claiming it was self defence.
it's in no way compariable to the crusades where christians purposely went out to try and dissmantle other faiths.
Originally posted by Toelint
Oh, and one more thing...REread The Absolute Power Of Christianity thread again...it's a "hit piece" on Christianity! Tell me seriously you didn't notice that!
Originally posted by Toelint
Now, let's compare ALL these deaths to those attributed to purely secular reasons.
You know...Murders incured during Robberies, Rapes, Assaults, Arsons,
Oh, and let's not forget the WARS waged for purely secular reasons like Territory or Resource aquisition, or at the very least Power over such things while they stay in foreign hands...Riches, and last but not least, Revenge.
You mention the Crusades. Well, how many Christians died during the Crusades??
You also mention Child Abuse (child stealing??) and abusive nuns!
Oh, and the inquisition. Hasn't it dawned on you that these things occurred not because of Christianity but inspite of it?If you can find ONE quote from Jesus that backs up these acts, please print it!
Oh, and one more thing...REread The Absolute Power Of Christianity thread again...it's a "hit piece" on Christianity! Tell me seriously you didn't notice that!
You people need to reread your history on the Crusades. There is NOT ONE EXAMPLE of Christians trying to drive Muslims off of what is recognized as Arab territory. The Crusades were limited to Europe, portions of the coastline in Lebanon, and a small swatch of land between Europe and the area around Jerusalem, and that mostly was for the safe pilgrimage of Christians from the North to the South.
Ya know, it irks the heck out of me when people point at Christians and scream, "REMEMBER THE CRUSADES??" Then don't even mention the Ottoman Empire, which conquered HUGE portions of Eastern AND Western Europe, and Palistine, not to mention Asia and some of Africa. How many Christians did these Muslims kill?
Let's face it...when ever and where ever in the world, there's a systematic "cleansing" (see genocide) of Christians...Nobody...says...ANYTHING!!!
Originally posted by riley
These are social problems.. there is no reason to assume that perpetrators are not christians [or other credes].
Originally posted by Toelint
Oh, and let's not forget the WARS waged for purely secular reasons like Territory or Resource aquisition, or at the very least Power over such things while they stay in foreign hands...Riches, and last but not least, Revenge.
Originally posted by riley
All I noticed were christians attacking me and others for not being christian and for being a humanist.. and then they had the gall to tell me [from their moral highground] they were trying to 'help' me be a better person despite obvious signs that they themselves weren't as moral as they insisted but judgmental, biggoted and hypocritical.. not very good poster kids for the cause.
Originally posted by Toelint
Ya know, it irks the heck out of me when people point at Christians and scream, "REMEMBER THE CRUSADES??" Then don't even mention the Ottoman Empire, which conquered HUGE portions of Eastern AND Western Europe, and Palistine, not to mention Asia and some of Africa. How many Christians did these Muslims kill?
Originally posted by riley
Christian vs Moslem.. it's kind of like sibling rivalry.
Originally posted by riley
If you are refferring to the middle east.. everyone has their turn at being blown up or massacered so yes I agree. Next time you hear about christian clensing on the news which involves a church in the west being blown up [as opposed to bars, trains and towers].. please post it and I will say how disgusting it is.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by riley
These are social problems.. there is no reason to assume that perpetrators are not christians [or other credes].
Hm, how about referring to their manual. After all, Christians follow Christ, do they not? What did Christ do? What did these "Christians" do? See a difference? No? Then I suggest reading the Book again.
Originally posted by riley
All I noticed were christians attacking me and others for not being christian and for being a humanist.. and then they had the gall to tell me [from their moral highground] they were trying to 'help' me be a better person despite obvious signs that they themselves weren't as moral as they insisted but judgmental, biggoted and hypocritical.. not very good poster kids for the cause.
I think it would be very helpful if you were to take a step back and see who is 'attacking' who here, blaming Christians for all deaths, wars, rapings, etc. as well as those other nasty traits you've listed here before casting stones.
Originally posted by riley
Christian vs Moslem.. it's kind of like sibling rivalry.
Why are you smiling? Toelint is talking about the death of either group , and that's your reaction?
"NEW YORK, Feb. 25, 1999 ---- National Council of Churches General Secretary Joan B. Campbell today hailed the arrest of an Indiana man who has admitted to setting some 30 to 50 church fires in Indiana and other states over the past five years."
30 to 50 churches. That's a lot.
Originally posted by riley
Many pedo priests read the bible daily..
Originally posted by riley
obviously they found loopholes in it.
Originally posted by riley
The bible is NOT a cure all and does not make 'bad' people good..
Originally posted by riley
you may say they are not true christians but some may say the same about you. It's all relative.
Originally posted by riley
Okay. Lets pretend history never happened because it makes christianity look bad. Great idea.
Originally posted by riley
Lets also ignore your one little snide comment of how I 'didn't look hard enough' for god which instigated my being 'politely' flamed by christians from all angles.. [mob mentality- they smelt blood] simply because I can't believe. Hmm.. I think the last resulting comment was that I was led by the devil. Good job SAINT.. a real achievment.
Originally posted by riley
I was being ironic about the vilness of the OT.. I suspect you probably know this but still tried to utilise an opportunity to paint be as a callous sadist that likes death. Flawless.
Originally posted by riley
Why did you not list the fatalities? We were talking genocide. Christian clensing would usually suggest christian deaths in the hundreds. I guess you forgot.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
when jesus turned over the tables in the temple he was fighting against money lenders, which is precisely who the world is run by now. we are the ones in debt.
from certain actions you can't expect there not to be consiquences.
Originally posted by RANT
Originally posted by Toelint
Oh, and one more thing...REread The Absolute Power Of Christianity thread again...it's a "hit piece" on Christianity! Tell me seriously you didn't notice that!
Have you taken JungleJake to task for his anti-Christian hit piece or are you referring to the responses he got that don't agree in the Absoluteness of Christianity?
Originally posted by saint4God
I thought he was fighting against the idea of people selling inside the temple, turning a house of God into an opportunist's money machine for personal wealth. "...'My house will be a house of prayer', but you have made it a 'den of robbers'" Luke 19:46.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
many churchers and places of worship were and still are run like that.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i saw a program about heron of alexandria and he invented the first coin despensing machine. people would come in to the temple, put a coin in, and some holy water that was blessed would come out so they could wash their hands...also they had to do this to come in, so anyone who wanted to go in had to pay. to the people coming in this was a miracle with the water coming out, but just another clever design by heron.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
if the same was used today, people would still go to church.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
they just collect using a collection plate now to make it look they're giving their money away by their own free will.
Originally posted by Saint4God
How did I know this was coming. Oh wait! I know! Because we've had this discussion before. Unlike the merchants peddling wares, a person may or may not give money to the church. THE CHURCH! Not individuals seeking wealth. If there is anyone getting wealthy off of it, then indeed there's a problem, time to find another church. The giving of money though, is not for the church, but rather the person doing the giving. It is healthy to get into the frame of mind of giving and letting go. You don't have to give to a church. Give to a charity. Give your lunch to that guy on the street. Just plain give. The more opportunities the better.