The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

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my first reply to this post was over 4 years ago. I can officially say that I was correct. Titor was a liar, and some people on this board are dillusional. They WANT there to be a conspiracy, no they NEED there to be a conspiracy. Truth be told, there was no civil war. Titor justified his actions by saying that there was different worldline, and that it may vary by 2.5%. 9/11 -> Iraq War, Afghan War, no civil war in US, affects our timeline 100% from his. Even if that isn't the scale he is referring to, surely it can't be said that they are any smaller than 10% as they affected the entire world. All there really is left to say is Wow! These people who have been arguing for 230+ pages now, or 5900 posts, are insane. They will believe that he was correct until their dying day, whether it be tomorrow or 2080. This is insane. So, as I said before:

WOW!

Big John Titor post...

Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack.

Peled proposes Israeli sanctions on US

Shocker: Number of Americans who say U.S. should support Israel drops from 71% to 44% in one year

U.K.: We revoked Israel arms licenses, but it's no embargo

Report: Israel planned to strike Iran during riots but was ignored

Israel is losing the PR war so badly that even evangelical support is eroding


'Obama gives deadline to Israel for Palestine'

The attack on Europe is in response to a unified European army that masses and moves East from Germany.

Blueprint for EU army to be agreed

The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense.

Israel Prepares for War: 5-Day 'Turning Point 3' Exercise Begins

Israel papers: new era in US ties

Israel missile defense system fails to launch in U.S. test

Israel concerned over US "umbrella" on Iran

You mention Canadians but I don't think you mentioned the impact on that country.
There's not a great deal I know about Canada except to say they were pretty much in the same type of conflict.

Elitist Confab in Montreal: Adapting to a New World Order – Day 1

When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas.

By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

Titor: No, the ice caps are not melting any faster than they are now.

Coldest Weather in 100 Years to Strike by 2012

Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?
Not against America but they are used against each other.

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

Iran: If Israel attacks, we'll strike its nuclear sites

Israel moves ahead with anti-Iran plan

Israel warships move within cruise missile range of Iran

Gates: "Israel needs to take it's relationship with U.S. into account before attacking Iran"

The West will become very unstable which gives China the confidence to "expand". I'm assuming you are all aware that China has millions of male soldiers right now that they know will never be able to find wives.

Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Expert

A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from “unprecedented” internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country.

The internal dissent in China may force China to indeed attack a country...but not India...

JT: The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

300 million $ over 6 years for ACORN in the cap and trade bill.

H.R. 675: Building Obama’s Civilian National Security Force

CITY YEAR movement... ``creating one world``

MSNBC Host: Calling Obama Socialist Is Code For N-Word

Astroturf angry mob? Al Gore and The Climate Project will ‘launch a major movement…to help build a formidable grassroots advocacy force’

Media Freaks Out After Man Filmed Carrying Legal Firearm Outside Obamacare Event

White House Blocks Opposition From Staged Obama Town Hall Event

Obama Connected Group Calls for Brownshirt Tactics Against Healthcare Opponents

Nazi-Style Denunciation Campaign Urges Americans To Report Each Other

Cornyn accuses White House of compiling ‘enemies list’

Pelosi: Obamacare Protesters Are Swastika Carrying Nazis

White House Warns Critics: Nazi Talk Puts You On “Thin Ice”

“Obama has the right to lock any US citizen up forever without trial”

Korea United?
I guess you could say that. Taiwan, Japan and Korea were all "forcefully annexed" before N Day.

China’s top brass concerned over N.Korea nuclear weapons

The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)

The “3 Amigos” & The North American Union

Trouble between the government and the people:


WHO gets ready declare a swine flu pandemic

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said intelligence reports highlighting the potential terrorist threats posed by right wing extremists groups are "not accusations, they're assessments."

“Does Holocaust Shooting Validate Homeland Security Report?”

Government Demands Inventory of All VFW Weapons

Citizen Revolt to Obama Care

Government Prepares for “unwillingness to follow government orders”

Fox News Outlines Swine Flu Martial Law Scenario

You Tube Pulls Hundreds Of Ron Paul Videos

The debt wall has been hit This could mean MAJOR TROUBLE.

Geithner Asks Congress to Raise Debt Limit MAJOR TROUBLE X2

Anti-patriots propaganda:

“Al Qaeda is looking to exploit weaknesses in U.S. border security and also is willing to ally itself with white militia groups or other anti-government entities interested in carrying out an attack inside the United States, according to counterterrorism officials…”

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Continuing:

Racist Von Brunn is “Hero of 9/11 Truthers”

Yes, I think the New World Order idea tried to establish itself. I would consider them the combination of the old U.S. federal system, Europe, Canada and Australia.

The World Health Organization determined in 2005 it has the authority to dissolve sovereign governments and take control should there be a “pandemic”.

Missouri National Guard Train to Kill “Militia Insurgents” in Exercise


And not to mention the cap and trade bill that will screw people and force home inspections...some people will resist and waco events will occur.

ANYWAY, THE REVOLUTION/CIVIL WAR HAS STARTED, the protests in town halls and the fights happening are a proof of that. But we still can change the future so we have a revolution instead of a civil war and WW3. Just continue the peaceful protests! But the economic crisis and the swine flu/martial law thing could accelerate things...and make things out of our control.

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

According to Titor, 2008 was a big year and it was. A lot of people, if not everyone, woke up because of the financial crisis, crisis we predicted in this exact thread in 2006. And their world is indeed over. The US is going down since september 08.

The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep but it doesn't help.(january 2001, meaning end 2010-2011)

People are starting to get angry, and they show it. So the whole shooting thing should start between now and 2012 and be all over the US by 2012. Then WW3 in 2015.

EDIT: The US government have now two choices.

1. Ignore the revolution movement...while it grows and threatens them...
2. Or start some kind of action against the movement. (martial law, swine flu, false-flag)

And there's factors they can't control, like total economic collapse, that's knocking on the door.

So now the government will be FORCED to do something before the year is out that will probably make things explode and you'll have the beginning of the revolution/civil war pretty soon.

My hope would be a bloodless military coup by patriots in the general ranks, followed by elections, but it would probably turn into civil war since Obamabots are brainwashed...


EDIT: People fight back? The government will just kill cops on camera and put it on all mainstream medias, police will go along with killing citizens...same things with troops....troops won't go disarm, kill american patriots? Kill some troops on camera and put it on TV... troops will kill whoever oppose them.

EDIT 2: China launches long-range military exercise: Report

China today launched its largest ever tactical military exercise, involving 50,000 heavily-armored troops to improve the PLA's
long-distance mobility.

The Dragon Awakes: China’s Military Build-up

China’s military buildup of over a decade continues with its official defense budget set to rise 14.9 percent this year to $70.25 billion. This follows a 17.6 percent boost in official defense spending in 2008, and an average increase to the national defense budget of 15.8 percent between 2003 and 2007.

Setting the stage for future operations...when the US falls.

Russia knows that the US is still a threat:
Russia building new 'star wars' missiles: air force

"Foreign air forces, above of all the United States, will acquire the capability to deal time-synchronized precision strikes on a global scale at virtually any target on Russia territory," Zelin said.

The threat "is not virtual, but real," he added.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Vitchilo]

It occurs to me, and sends a shiver down my spine... that there is one thing that makes perfect sense about the whole Titor Story.

Regardless whether you believe in the man or not, you MUST recognize that if the USA starts to disintegrate before the eyes of the world, they cannot just let it happen... the threat of some wild eyed anarchist taking advantage of the situation and getting nuclear weapons launched (Of which we have many) is too much of a threat for there NOT to be a pre-emptive strike from somewhere like Russia.

Seriously, would you expect the other superpowers to not end the threat before it became a threat, knowing that it would?

Whoa! I have been looking forward to this one.....

www.indieflix.com/films/timetravel0

Timetravel_0 Now on Sale!


Here's the new trailer
www.msplinks.com...

Cris McCarthy has put together this amazing documentary, and it has taken her over 5 years to complete....mainly because her footage was confiscated by the Government Officials only to just be released recently by the Supreme Court due to a 'fictionalized creation' clause. Cris tracked people down that had conversations with Titor, including one of the first people to talk with him. She in turn helped Chris make contact with John Titor.

Now in 2009 John Titors precise predictions about North Korea, Iran, and other world powers are now coming true with eerie precision. Was he telling the truth? Is it too late to heed his warning and change our timeline by starting with the person in the mirror?

[edit on 12-8-2009 by imitator]

Thanks imitator, if I find the movie online for free, I'll give you links...or if you watched it...give us your comment please.

Also...we may be on the brink of revolution/civil war....

About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday—the latest incidents in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who was monitoring the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.

"Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

"It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."

Phoenix: Dozens of armed citizens attend todays Obama Speech

Now this could be nothing on the face of it... but if you read Obamabots forum, you can see that they are going nuts over this... Also, the pentagon asking for 400.000 troops in the US, troops training about ``militias attacking them``... all the martial law preparation, the bank holiday, the economic collapse and the swine flu...

And this whole thing at political event, it would take only a plant or a real gunman, kill a bunch of protesters and put it all over the news, blaming it on republicans, veterans, racists, ect... and the whole thing would start. People didn't bought millions of guns since Obama's election for nothing.

This is not heading in a good direction.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by Vitchilo]

Is there a legit web page with all of his predictions and pictures/drawings/whatever it was he put up?

I would like to read up more on this, if for nothing more than some entertainment.

Even if I use the most optimistic view possible, and actually believe that this guy was anything other than some lonely 45y/o man with nothing more to do than get some conspiracy junkies going bonkers, Id still have to doubt most of it.

However, say I assume he is legit. If even one prediction is off, doesn't that mean that no other predictions can be trusted?

What John Said:

The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

“Est-il faible?”: Why the prospect of another Waco grew this week.

The prospects for another Waco grew this week, with the publication of these columns, for as the Obananoids grow increasingly desperate to accomplish their aims, they are going to want to change the narrative more to their liking. Deadly miscalculations can result.

Amybody remember that the original motivation of the ATF for the Waco raid was to shift the focus of public scrutiny from the agency’s bad publicity on discrimination suits, et. al.? Weak, incompetent and fearful people make bone-headed choices that get other people killed. Sometimes, spectacularly, a lot of people.

And this could have horrible consequences. For, as I have explained here many times, and to the Attorney General of the United States once, there will be no more free Wacos.

Titor said:

What type of system is used to maintain the singularity?
I am not a physicist so I cannot answer that to your level of sophistication. The singularities are held in an enclosed magnetic field.

Researchers propose new way to reproduce a black hole

"We can also manipulate the strength of the applied magnetic field so that the SQUID array can be used to probe black hole radiation beyond what was considered by Hawking,"

From JT.com

JOHN SAID: The mass and gravitational field of a microsingularity can then be manipulated by "injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating two electric microsigularities at high speed, it is possible to create and modify a local gravity sinusoid that replicates the affects of a Kerr black hole.

“Naked” black hole’s existence may breakdown laws of physics in Universe

In theory, adding matter to a black hole could make it spin fast enough to shed its event horizon, but previously, physicists have calculated that the spin of black holes has an inherent speed limit that prevents such shedding.

Infalling matter can disrupt a black hole’s event horizon, exposing a ‘naked’ singularity. Their work suggests that the event horizon could then be disrupted and shed.

JOHN SAID: Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead.

Farmed Fish Could Give Humans Mad Cow Disease

However, the scientists have doubts that the health benefits of farmed fish outweigh a potentially deadly danger. "We are concerned that consumption of farmed fish may provide a means of transmission of infectious prions from cows with bovine spongiform encephalopathy to humans, causing variant Creutzfeldt Jakob disease ," they stated.

EDIT:

There's going to be an uprising in this country that's going to make the Boston Tea Party look like a picnic

Interesting video

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Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack.

A thorn in the world’s side

My acquaintances are warning me: Don’t go. Hostile elements will cause disturbances, protest, shout and interfere. The atmosphere at British universities is anti-Israel to an extent unseen in the past. Israel is perceived as a thorn in the civilized world’s side.

Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack.

Haaretz news ticker

13:57 Livni: Israel has never been more internationally isolated (Haaretz)

Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack.

EU is dropping Israel too...

EU report says Israel illegally annexing east Jerusalem

"Israel is, by practical means, actively pursuing its illegal annexation of east Jerusalem by weakening the Palestinian community in the city, impeding Palestinian urban developments and ultimately separating east Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank."

From Haaretz :

19:26 Livni on EU decision to support division of Jerusalem: It is not good for Israel (Ch. 10)
16:20 Israel: EU statement on Jerusalem does not contribute to peace talks (DPA)

And the whole Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas/Israel thing going on.

I'm sure Russia will be pleased by this... NOT...

Poland, US sign deployment accord

Poland and the United States on Friday signed an agreement on the status of US troops in the eastern European country ahead of the deployment of US Patriot missiles.

"This agreement allows the stationing of US soldiers and materiel in Poland," Polish Defence Minister Bogdan Klich told the press. "For Poland it means that its security will be strengthened."

The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) is a pre-requisite to setting up a US ground-to-air missile base in Poland. US officials say deployment should start in 2010.

Obama, continuing Bush's policy of surrounding Russia with military bases and military equipment... I'm sure this will end well...NOT.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by Vitchilo]

No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it seems to be "catching on" in Europe.

Do most of the people of that time die, especially ones that currently have health problems?
Yes, and people are still dying and a great deal of them are passing from CJD.

More people could have 'mad cow disease' than previously thought
Unusual case of 30-year-old man prompts scientists to reassess prevalence of vCJD

It is possible, doctors say, that vCJD takes longer to develop in people who are MV heterozygous than in MV homozygous people.

"The majority of the UK population have potentially been exposed to BSE prions but the extent of clinically silent infection remains unclear," say the authors of the paper. About a third of the population have the MM homozygous genotype – and until now all the cases came from this group. If individuals with other genotypes are similarly susceptible to developing prion disease after exposure to BSE, further cases would be expected, they say.

And if you know the extent of tests of cows in the industry... you know that most cows could be infected by that disease and we wouldn't know it... and the supposed cows walking funny because they are infected by mad cow is a myth... so yeah... Most of the population could have the disease... Titor right again.

In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe.

[URL=http://rt.com/Politics/2009-12-18/roar-russia-nuclear-strike.html]“Russia could get right for first nuclear strike”

The doctrine may allow Russia to deliver a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Yury Baluevsky, deputy secretary of the Security Council, says that a nuclear strike is not ruled out when “a real threat to the existence of the state emerges,” Russian News Service radio said.(...) Gazeta.ru, which obtained a copy of the draft doctrine, stressed that the document gives Russia “the right to a nuclear war. Moscow will be able to strike a pre-emptive nuclear strike, the website explained, adding that the Russian president may sign the document by the end of the year.

And with the economy about to become much worse in 2010, we'll see how it affects global politics, which i think will not ease the tensions... Not to mention the whole Iran might be bombed thingee still on the table. And the world government being put in place, cap and trade and the health care bill that might pass within a week...

After all these years and this thread is still alive and healthy.

Great stuff.

There are two things that John Titor made very clear. The first is that one cannot go back into his own actual past but to a parallel universe very much like the one he knew. The second is that simply appearing in the past will alter the future forever.

We did not have Y2K collapse as was had in his world which led to the civil war and nuclear exchange between the major world powers. However, he said of this president that he would pride himself as an Abraham Lincoln type. And so Obama has, even taking his oath on Abraham Lincoln's Bible. Civil war is coming, it's just being a bit delayed due to interference and tampering. Now there is no way for anyone to know what actually will happen, and so John Titors "predictions" are either off or no longer applicable to our future. That was his past not ours. So that is why he is labeled a liar and a fraud. Because what he said no longer applies for us, not that he lied or was a fraud.

One last note, The CERN project "LHC" is doing the very experimentation JT described on how they actually got a time machine to work. Science has shown that time flows both forwards and backwards at the quantum level. It's only a matter of time... pun intended.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Fromabove]

LMFAO

This thread is a waste of bandwidth, nearly 5,000 replies and its all crap LOL!

2005 eh? Ohhh Time traveler

Bunch of lunatics :down:

Originally posted by the_denv
LMFAO

This thread is a waste of bandwidth, nearly 5,000 replies and its all crap LOL!

2005 eh? Ohhh Time traveler

Bunch of lunatics :down:

obviously you haven't read nearly all 5,000 replies.... And most of all you haven't read Titor... or you wouldn't be going 2005 eh? Your the one that is a WASTE of bandwidth by joining a conspiracy site.

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Here I will add something about a 2010 question.....lol


02/24/2001
Question to Titor:
Is the same type of currency used? Is ours today good in say 2010 or 2020?

John Titor:
Yes, we use money. That’s a good question. I don’t see why you couldn’t use your current bills in the future.


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Now could we be on the verge of outright open fighting?

John Titor: Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011.

John Titor: From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and national guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the “cities” and the “country” was well defined.

You see.... when Titor was 12 that was in 2010 !!! I predict an interesting year in 2010, according to Titor world lines do converge..... It's like watching a freight train coming down the tracks!!!

IMO the shooting will start, if Titor is correct, between early 2011 and end of 2012.

Why?

Two quotes :

Posted on January 17, 2001 :

I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years and she'll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep but it doesn't help. If it makes you feel any better, I never shot anyone who wasn't trying to kill me.

January 17, 2001 + 10 years : end of 2010/early 2011.

For 2012 :

The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012

So by 2012, it's pretty much everywhere.

So yeah, me thinks 2010 will be very interesting... not to mention most analysts that are not bought and paid for think that 2010 will be the year where the fake recovery will be blown to bits...

And from the elite plans I read back in 06, the North American Union unveiling was supposed to be in 2010, but so far, the main plans for the NAU corridor in Texas were stopped by activists...

2010 will see a really bad health care bill pass... make people angry. It may also see Cap and trade pass... which will make people even more angry... and a mid-term election that may people even more angry. And that's for starters... when Obama is finished with that, he'll go for amnesty and taxes on guns.

And the economy going down the drain even more in 2010... If you don't think the economy is going down the drain... On CNBC today, they said that the FED bought 80% of all treasuries in 2009... meaning hyperinflation is coming.

The year is just starting and California is already in emergency!
Schwarzenegger declares budget emergency in California

And this week, they took a 85$ extra tax on everyone's paycheck in California without asking anyone... sweet eh?

One thing is sure, the situation is only getting worst and it's only a matter of time before people blow up and the whole thing starts.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Vitchilo]

A recent Rasmussen poll disclosed that only 21% of the voters in this country believe that the government enjoys the consent of the governed. Put another way, only 21% of the voters in this nation consent to what Washington is doing.

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Let's put it in perspective... 1776...

Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20 percent of the white population of the colonies were Loyalists.[2] Historian Robert Middlekauff estimates that about 500,000 colonists, or 19 percent of the white population, remained loyal to Britain.[3]

Yep, about the same thing happening RIGHT NOW.

Also, the poll says that 61% says the government DOES NOT HAVE CONSENT, and 18% say they are not sure.

This is way higher than the 1776 numbers.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by Vitchilo]