What is Actually Happening in the United States Which Was Predicted 35 Years Ago.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Debunkology

Oh, so the American police is not funded by the US taxpayer?
Oh, so American fire-departments are not funded by the US taxpayer?
Oh, so American fire-departments are not funded by the US taxpayer?

I mean, if you think ben franklin was a socialist

I didn't say Ben Franklin was socialist.

originally posted by: DfairliteOnce you wrap your mind around that then we can discuss why healthcare isn't a legitimate government endeavor.

It's amazing that you cannot grasp the simple concept that a government protecting against fire and attack is no different to protecting against disease. After all they are all linked to welfare of a person.

And isn't that the main aim of the US government? To provide for the welfare of it's citizens- I'm pretty sure it's written in the consitution. Ironically, healthcare should be more a legitimate government endeavor in your country rather than my own.

originally posted by: DfairliteUntil then you can continue on repeating the lines of your overlords who want to continue to take away your freedom.

LMAO, You haven't even got a clue have you? My government would privitize the whole medical industry in the country if it had the chance. Fortunately, they don't step that far because having a national health service is paramount to getting elected in this country. Get rid of it and there would be a revolution.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
While it sounds big, billions and billions isn't actually all that much. .............snip snip .......... you'll have to forgive me for not really taking you seriously.

The irony is big with this one.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carsforkids

You are right. We never will.

Is it to much for you to use the quote button?

Have some courtesy!

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

There is more to crime than theft... but are you really arguing that poverty stricken areas are not the most criminal areas of the country? You sure that's the angle you want to take?

Please show valid statistical support for that.

OK. Read this and his prior post about it.

Reports find that immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens - The Hill

Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime - The Washington Post

How big a problem is crime committed by immigrants? - CBS News

Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime? - FactCheck.org

MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens - PolitiFact.org

This is how US crime by foreign-born people compares to citizen crime - Quartz

Mollie Tibbetts' death is being used to push debunked ideas about illegal immigration and violent crime - Business Insider

Immigration and Crime – What the Research Says - Cato Institute

PUBLIC STUDY: ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMMIT LESS CRIME THAN AMERICANS - Judicial Watch

Immigration and crime From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immigrants and crime: Evidence from Canada - Canadian Research Data Center Network

Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show - NPR

RESEARCH TELLS US THAT IMMIGRATION DOES NOT LEAD TO HIGHER CRIME RATES - Pacific Standard

Contrary to Trump’s Claims, Immigrants Are Less Likely to Commit Crimes New York Times

When It Comes to Violent Crime, Illegal Immigrants Aren't the Problem - Phoenix New Times

UK crime figures and immigration statistics - Office for National Statistics

Are Immigrants More Likely to Commit Crimes? - EconoFact

Fact Check: No Evidence Undocumented Immigrants Commit More Crimes - NBC News

Germans’ Fears Don’t Match the Crime Statistics - Bloomberg

Immigration and Crime - The American Immigration Council

By the Numbers: Do Immigrants Cause Crime? - Foundation for Economic Education

Fact check: Immigration doesn’t bring crime into U.S., data say - PBS

U.S.-born citizens commit more crime than immigrants, new studies show - AOL

IMMIGRATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY - sentencingproject.org (PDF)

a reply to: chr0naut
www.illegalaliencrimereport.com...

MEDIA BLACKOUT: 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL WAS DECAPITATED BY PAIR OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN ALABAMA

enough is enough

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
www.illegalaliencrimereport.com...

MEDIA BLACKOUT: 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL WAS DECAPITATED BY PAIR OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN ALABAMA

enough is enough

Absolutely, criminals should be apprehended and suffer dire consequence for their crimes.

Even those who ascribe individual crimes to those who are innocent, but just happen to look like the wrong doer and are not. Those false accusers should be punished for their crimes, too.

In the 10 commandments, bearing false witness is the 9th.

Justice should be swift and true! Enough is enough.

a reply to: chr0naut

Do you somehow think posting a bunch of links all referencing a handful of the same "survey" data is more reliable than the actual government reimbursement numbers? It seems like a lazy debate tactic to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

a reply to: Debunkology

I didn't say Ben Franklin was socialist.

You claimed the fire department system was. That system was created by ben franklin. Ergo, ben franklin must have been a socialist if he lobbied for and implemented socialist systems, right?

It's amazing that you cannot grasp the simple concept that a government protecting against fire and attack is no different to protecting against disease. After all they are all linked to welfare of a person.

Well of course there are number of differences, but don't let that get in the way of your false equivalence games. I mean how many doctor are needed to heal and contain the diseases in the sage brush? Every person likely needs to go to the doctor at some point in their lives, not every person needs the fire department. However, the unpredictability of fire makes it in the interest of everyone to pay a little in to keep damage from fire contained when it happens. I have a vested interest in keeping the whole city from going up in flames, as does every citizen. Every citizen does not have a vested interest in the health of others, only their own and their loved ones.

And isn't that the main aim of the US government? To provide for the welfare of it's citizens- I'm pretty sure it's written in the consitution.

No, the preamble is what you are referring to and nowhere is the welfare of the citizens mentioned. Here's it is:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In other words, we the people have ordained and established the constitution for these purposes. That does not mean there are other purposes that you get to just infer into it. If it's not in the constitution, it's not part of the government.

LMAO, You haven't even got a clue have you?

I guess I don't know what I don't know. Do you? However, yes I knew you were from a country who had long ago stripped you of your freedom and self determination. What is fortunate for you is that the US exists, because otherwise you'd still be blood letting and shoving mercury up your ass to cure diseases. Most medical innovation comes from the US due to the free market system (even as bastardized as it has become in healthcare). Furthermore your country can likely only afford such a healthcare system because we guarantee your safety and a relatively peaceful world. You're welcome.

The irony is big with this one.

The irony is your use of the word 'irony' when you clearly don't understand what it means.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

Do you somehow think posting a bunch of links all referencing a handful of the same "survey" data is more reliable than the actual government reimbursement numbers? It seems like a lazy debate tactic to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

There are a number form different countries. Statistics that reflect the situation world-wide.

The thing is, people actually believe the liars in the face of such a cloud of data.

a reply to: chr0naut
What false accusers?
The perp confessed?
Your bs spin about a case in which an illegal was arrested then released to the community only to behead a 13 year old child is disgusting.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Great reading 👍

Here's another bit to share that's along the same lines just a little different perspective I guess;

If I were the devil 😈

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
What false accusers?
The perp confessed?
Your bs spin about a case in which an illegal was arrested then released to the community only to behead a 13 year old child is disgusting.

So you see nothing wrong with hate groups who go after and persecute immigrants just because there happened to be Sinaloa scum among them?

I wasn't saying that these killers should get away with such evil.

I was saying that those who blame others (like immigrants or Muslims) for crimes they don't commit are a different kind of evil.

Otherwise, it would be fair game to blame the US population for this atrocity against innocent children:

Still confusing ‘immigrants’ with ‘ILLEGAL Immigrants’

What a moron

The two are not related

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Ha! comrade Yuri has a point. There sure are a lot of useful idiots out there, and seems that a lot of them got spiffy jobs making laws. When you have incompetent people leading your nation and your future, its not good no matter which side of the fence you sit. Or which ideology you subscribe to.

But this Berney guy, what is he running for potus or something? The things he is talking about have almost little to do with either socialism or capitalism, more to do with economics, so when those factories moved to china, it was simply because thats were the profit is, its what they do, and paying them to come back is not going to do anything much but put a bandaid on a bullet wound.

A free trade is nice and all, but when more then half of all jobs are subsidized, thats like paying yourself to keep yourself busy with a job, hoping later generations will pick up the tab. And so far how has that worked? I suppose a bit more nationalizing things will help, as a global economy does not help anybody but those who can move around globally at a whim, the rest live and will die in a local economy, to which a global economy is a substrate in the goods marketed.

Yet people seem to have forgotten that simple fact.

Socialism may not work, but here in this country you got million and millions of people depended on such systems. What do you think will happen when you cut such systems, and I am not just talking about everyday people and jobs, even the bank bailouts were socialism disguised as something else then what it was. And what it was? Was just a big failure.

So, how much of an option do you all have in such a circle jerk of a system? But most of all, because nothing is free. People want free food, free houses, free this and free that. And how many of these people every built a house with there own hands? How many have grown there own food? Or build there own tools? Forged out nails in there spare time? Made the saws to cut the lumber, and the knifes to shape the wood, and dug out the ore to make the nails and the knifes, and processed that ore to iron then processed it to steel.

I could go on, but lets just say and it would not be to far off to say that everything is subsidized at a level, not only the things in socialist countries but also capitalist, everything is generally and IOU left to latter generations to solve. Its also why, those manufacturing factories are not coming back, and if they did. How many here are willing to work for 4 dollars and hour?

If they did, then they would know that nothing is free. Everything is work. And nothing just magically is made or created. Lazzy buggers I suppose, these socialists, wanting everything for free, yet in this world, were everything takes work, nothing is free, life is not free thats for sure. The system will not work because it can not support itself. And despite comrade Yuri's speech there, not even at the point of a gun, that most effective of motivators to get people moving, even then it will it work for long.

Do you know how I know? Because it has been tried and it has failed. What do you think the former soviet unions were, but another failure and testament to that, and now there just a business model of social pandering lead by the bottom dollar or ruble or yuan, but aren't they all, and isnt everybody.

So in all, dispite how you call it or split hairs on it. That fact is, in the capitalist capital of the free world, the USof A, we have more then a few systems of socialism in place, and without them.

Thing would get hairy pretty fast. All systems fall, and all systems fail eventually. To waste your time arguing about the brands and names whatever ism's they call themselves, I suppose people need hobbies. And people still do not seem to know that things like food and shelter do not just spring out of the ground like magic. So ya, a whole generations of useful idiots, still clamoring for there free school, as if even that means much these days, and there free healthcare.

Well at least the last one is easy to solve, just give them apples, and apple a day keeps the doctor away, who needs healthcare then when you stop eating and digging in so much junk. Much more useful then freaking all the meds they so like. But that is neither here nor then. Nor are apples very profitable compared to meds.

Like that will ever happen.

Oh ya! If I think about it, its quite a pickle this whole keep society going thing.

Well, pretty sure they got people on it who get paid big bucks. Which should make it interesting not only in this generation, but in the coming generations.

Ah socialists, those most clueless of dreamers, raised on a mixture of the Disney channel and the fox network.

With such great optimism in the world, how can things go bad.

a reply to: Extorris
They push a New World order agenda. Bush one said it in a state of the union speech. Yes they are globalists.

originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: Extorris
They push a New World order agenda. Bush one said it in a state of the union speech. Yes they are globalists.

"New World Order" historically referred to the changing balance of powers and leadership in the world. Bush Sr. used it to call out Russia to stand against Saddam Hussein. Post world war 2 it was used to describe the changing power balance and leadership around the globe. It describes the order of power among nations and authority in the world, both economically and militarily and influence that can be exerted.

The term has been adopted by conspiracy folks to describe a psuedo-secret society of individuals controlling the global outcomes.

The term New World Order holds no menace in itself. It is self-descriptive. Nations rise and fall in war and economics and new world orders are established.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Still confusing ‘immigrants’ with ‘ILLEGAL Immigrants’

What a moron

The two are not related

Even illegal immigrants commit less violent, financial and drug crimes than American citizens. As proof of that, the US has more citizens incarcerated and a higher percentage of the population incarcerated than any other nation on the planet.

The numbers of illegal immigrants in American prisons plus those that are removed from the country, is still vanishingly small and at a lower crime rate when compared to the number of criminal Americans.

The truth is that even illegal immigrants reduce the serious crime rate by diluting the criminal population of the US in a small way.

a reply to: chr0naut

There are a number form different countries.

What? Other countries report on how many illegal aliens are committing crimes in the US?

Statistics that reflect the situation world-wide.

The world has an illegal immigration problem? There's no denying the increase in crime from the refugees in germany and sweden and just about anywhere else that took in a bunch of them.

The thing is, people actually believe the liars in the face of such a cloud of data.

What makes you think the people publishing the data aren't lying?

a reply to: chr0naut

The truth is that even illegal immigrants reduce the serious crime rate by diluting the criminal population of the US in a small way.

LMAO maybe stick to your own countries politics, you're way out of your depth here and that statement makes it clear. So much stupid.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

There are a number form different countries.

What? Other countries report on how many illegal aliens are committing crimes in the US?

Statistics that reflect the situation world-wide.

The world has an illegal immigration problem? There's no denying the increase in crime from the refugees in germany and sweden and just about anywhere else that took in a bunch of them.

The thing is, people actually believe the liars in the face of such a cloud of data.

What makes you think the people publishing the data aren't lying?

Yes there are undocumented immigrants coming into most first world countries. Some of those undocumented immigrants are illegal, too, but I'm probably splitting hairs expecting that someone could understand that to be illegal, you have to actually break a law.

There are laws (like those about asylum seekers) that allow people to cross a border without documentation. That is because the first step in getting accepted for asylum is to become documented by the authorities who are not resident outside of the country.

I wasn't specifically just using US statistics.

And as far as acceptance of official statistics, they could be lying. But then their ability to adequately resource the situations would be hampered by lies. It is far easier to tell the truth and have good metrics.

Why would anyone rationally believe some random internet voice above the official figures? Do random individuals on the internet have departments that collect statistics and measure departmental efficiency performance?

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Still confusing ‘immigrants’ with ‘ILLEGAL Immigrants’

What a moron

The two are not related

Right. Not related. So obvious.

Who granted the approval for Columbus or the Pilgrims to come onto American native lands? Bloody illegals, the lot of 'em.