What is Actually Happening in the United States Which Was Predicted 35 Years Ago.

a reply to: Dfairlite

How about stop letting them in or drastically reducing the flow of them? Why is that not allowed?

Reducing the flow? How? There must be something that makes someone leave their home and walk/hitch a couple of thousand miles, coughing up pretty much everything they have in order to do so. Is it that "American Dream" thing? False advertising?

There are laws which cover "letting them in." Sadly, those laws seem to favor those who are seeking a better life in this country and/or fleeing something pretty awful. Imagine that.

Americans and the bogeyman of Socialism... You're waging a losing battle with time while ushering in that which you so fear with your own lifestyles.

Resources are Finite, eventually, your government will have to take control of "means" in order to prolong its resources... Socialism 101.
The fact of the matter is as every year, decade or half-century slip by your Government takes more control...
e.g Can't grow food in your own garden and the myriad of other such seemingly Communistic Regulations we see in the US today. The Military budget for instance at the behest of your own crumbling infrastructure.

And there you are worrying about Socialism... BTW at least with Actual Socialism, your infrastructure wouldn't be crumbling and those paedophilic elite corporatist types wouldn't have the power to run roughshod over every decent American Citizen or your children. but I digress...

Main Point Socialism is innevitable as there is no Magic Resource Tree, eventually it will be the world system as "Controlling The Means" becomes a nessecity for humanities survival.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Extorris

You are free to leave the thread if you want... However, you just made a false statement.

Considering folks here are arguing that the GOP Bank bailouts under Pres. Bush were a secret left wing plot and that the Gini Index is not real...

Happy to stop conversing with the crazy person on the street corner..

Taxes...it all about taxes.

a reply to: Blue Shift

is iit really a prediction when the person saying it participated in executing it?

a reply to: DreamerOracle

have you seen the results of actual socialism? looks like everything it touches ends up crumbling and broken.

a reply to: DreamerOracle

on top of that resources change throughout time , you're whole argument is based on what is now, not what will be 20 years from now.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

You're arguing as though there is no middle ground between mass 3rd world immigration and rounding them up and killing them all. How about stop letting them in or drastically reducing the flow of them? Why is that not allowed? Why does a country either need to take all of the refugees that will come or systematically purge them from their society? seems like a false dichotomy.

Most countries in the world already have in place acceptance procedures and policing for refugees and asylum seekers.

The 'middle ground' is what currently exists.

It is the fear driven anti-immigration lobby that portrays the system as out of control and unregulated, when it is actually strongly controlled, and has always been for as long as there have been discrete countries.

A case in point is that there are a lot of asylum seekers wishing access to the US but they are only a small percentage of the total US population. They don't all get in. There is a system of adjudication and evaluation before they are granted access.

Similarly, the opponents to immigration keep harking on about crime and drugs within the refugee and asylum populations (and they always have), when the historical truth is that as a per capita of population, refugees and asylum seekers are less crime ridden than the indigenous citizens (probably because they are dirt poor and don't have any social contacts compared to the citizens).

So, don't believe the populist FUD propaganda, every country has been controlling immigrant entry forever. No country that I can think of has ever been overrun by refugees and asylum seekers.

originally posted by: chr0naut

The thing is, these attacks also happen within the native German population. They happened before the recent rise in immigrant numbers and they will happen after, too.

Really? Mind if you put your money where your mouth is? Show an article in which German women are told not to go out alone, and not to go to certain parts of German cities because regular German men are attacking women.

originally posted by: chr0naut
It wasn't too long ago that there was a German political leader who ascribed Germany's ills to the Jewish people. It didn't make it true, just like there was also a sliver of truth to some of it.

Ohh, i see... so because of the holocaust people shouldn't be afraid of the crimes, including sex crimes, which have been happening in German cities, or other cities in countries like Italy?...

originally posted by: chr0naut

The thing is, the right wing extremist response was far worse for the country, and the rest of the world, than any ethnic tensions.

Oooh right, so if i were to write about the Russian mafia in South Florida and how many Cuban criminals have been joining the Russian mafia there I must be a "rightwing extremist" for pointing this fact out?...

originally posted by: chr0naut
Germany has its own law enforcement and is perfectly capable of dealing with wrongdoing. The idea that a society is being 'flooded' uncontrollably by refugees is as false there as anywhere else in the world.

Actually it has been quite the opposite to your asinine claims... However, you were "partially right" in one comment. There has been a lot of crime involving people whom have been in countries like the UK, Germany, etc. However, for example in Rotherham there was an independent report which looked into child trafficking from 1997-2013, and that report concluded that in a 16 year period approximately 1,400 children were sexually exploited, and that all of them had been victims of what the report calls "Asian gangs/Pakistani Muslims."

Here is a link to that report which you must download if you want to read it.

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Over the first twelve years covered by this Inquiry, the collective failures of political and officer leadership were blatant. From the beginning, there was growing evidence that child sexual exploitation was a serious problem in Rotherham. This came from those working in residential care and from youth workers who knew the young people well.

Within social care, the scale and seriousness of the problem was underplayed by senior managers. At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained. This had led to suggestions of coverup. The other two reports set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the Borough. These reports were ignored and no action was taken to deal with the issues that were identified in them.
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By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.
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www.rotherham.gov.uk...

For many years several authorities in European countries, and some others, decided not to label in specific the ethnicity, or race of criminal perpetrators and decided instead just to label them as "Asian." Which imo it does disservice since the majority of the criminal perpetrators are not really Asian, but are Muslim radicals. Under the Obama administration a similar tactic was used not naming Muslim extremists as the source of many crimes, and Obama asked to take out any references of Muslim extremism in crime reports and by all U.S. agencies. This was reported in ATS years ago.

Here are some other related articles.

Germany: Police Powerless Against Middle Eastern Crime Gangs "The clans simply have no respect for the authorities."

Germany: Muslim migrants riot, attack police trying to arrest Muslims who sexually assaulted girls

Not every Muslim is a radical, but to not label the real perpetrators of crime is not only a disservice to the public, but it also shows the coverup from western authorities whom are being PC.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut

Really? Mind if you put your money where your mouth is? Show an article in which German women are told not to go out alone, and not to go to certain parts of German cities because regular German men are attacking women.

"Nearly all reported perpetrators are male, and about half are current or former partners ... edited for brevity ...

According to a national report, the conviction rate for rape in Germany has declined: it was 20% in the 1980s, and by 2000 it was 13%.[11] According to reports from Deutsche Presse-Agentur, prior to legal changes in 2016, 8% of rape trials resulted in a conviction.[28] Conviction rates varied substantially across geographic areas, and according to income, with the three richest states having a conviction rate of 24% and seeing number of cases reduced to nearly 65% of their former levels, and the three poorest states seeing a 40% increase in cases and a 4% conviction rate.[29] - From this Wikipedia article: Rape in Germany From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

How come the sensationalist news services talk of increases in rape and crime but the official statistics show a decrease? One of them must be untruthful. Perhaps outrageous crimes sell more news than the message that "it is being dealt with in course".

originally posted by: chr0naut

Ohh, i see... so because of the holocaust people shouldn't be afraid of the crimes, including sex crimes, which have been happening in German cities, or other cities in countries like Italy?...

No, that is a thoroughly illogical suggestion.

originally posted by: chr0naut

Oooh right, so if i were to write about the Russian mafia in South Florida and how many Cuban criminals have been joining the Russian mafia there I must be a "rightwing extremist" for pointing this fact out?...

What has that to do with what we were discussing? That is another illogical association of different things. But very emotive. Perhaps you should cry and wave your fists.

Population of South Florida = approx 6.69 million. Number of police > 10,000, Number of Cuban criminals joining Russian Mafia < 1,000 - enough said?

originally posted by: chr0naut

Actually it has been quite the opposite to your asinine claims... However, you were "partially right" in one comment. There has been a lot of crime involving people whom have been in countries like the UK, Germany, etc. However, for example in Rotherham there was an independent report which looked into child trafficking from 1997-2013, and that report concluded that in a 16 year period approximately 1,400 children were sexually exploited, and that all of them had been victims of what the report calls "Asian gangs/Pakistani Muslims."

Here is a link to that report which you must download if you want to read it.

...
Over the first twelve years covered by this Inquiry, the collective failures of political and officer leadership were blatant. From the beginning, there was growing evidence that child sexual exploitation was a serious problem in Rotherham. This came from those working in residential care and from youth workers who knew the young people well.

Within social care, the scale and seriousness of the problem was underplayed by senior managers. At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained. This had led to suggestions of coverup. The other two reports set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the Borough. These reports were ignored and no action was taken to deal with the issues that were identified in them.
...
By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' [bby victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.
...

www.rotherham.gov.uk...

At the time of the 2013 report, there were only five convicted in the child sex exploitation ring, however more have been identified and prosecuted. Some of those convicted, such as Tony Chapman and Darren Hyett, were not of of Pakistani origin.

But, aside from that, are you suggesting that all Pakistani immigrants are sexually exploiting children? Because it would seem that you are making strong correlations between their 'foreignness', and their immigrant status, and generalizing crime as relating to that rather than to individual criminality.

For many years several authorities in European countries, and some others, decided not to label in specific the ethnicity, or race of criminal perpetrators and decided instead just to label them as "Asian." Which imo it does disservice since the majority of the criminal perpetrators are not really Asian, but are Muslim radicals. Under the Obama administration a similar tactic was used not naming Muslim extremists as the source of many crimes, and Obama asked to take out any references of Muslim extremism in crime reports and by all U.S. agencies. This was reported in ATS years ago.

Perhaps that is because if you want to catch and prosecute criminals, you catch and prosecute actual criminals, you don't go out after groups of people who may look like them. That is a waste of effort.

Here are some other related articles.

Germany: Police Powerless Against Middle Eastern Crime Gangs "The clans simply have no respect for the authorities."

Germany: Muslim migrants riot, attack police trying to arrest Muslims who sexually assaulted girls

Not every Muslim is a radical, but to not label the real perpetrators of crime is not only a disservice to the public, but it also shows the coverup from western authorities whom are being PC.

Charles Manson was an American and a organized a number of murders. There have been American rapists and drug lords too. We should arrest all Americans on sight, right?

a reply to: DreamerOracle
No it is not inevitable just because you and some radical leftists say so.

originally posted by: chr0naut

"Nearly all reported perpetrators are male, and about half are current or former partners ... edited for brevity ...
...
How come the sensationalist news services talk of increases in rape and crime but the official statistics show a decrease? One of them must be untruthful. Perhaps outrageous crimes sell more news than the message that "it is being dealt with in course".

LOL the link I gave is directly from the UK government...

originally posted by: chr0naut
No, that is a thoroughly illogical suggestion.

Yet it is exactly what you are suggesting...

originally posted by: chr0naut
Population of South Florida = approx 6.69 million. Number of police > 10,000, Number of Cuban criminals joining Russian Mafia < 1,000 - enough said?

The irony... First of all, most of the population in Florida are not Cubans, second of all the point went over your head, like always... I was born in Cuba, the point is, if I were to talk about CUBAN CRIMINALS joining the south Florida Russian maffia it doesn't make me a racist... Same for pointing out the crimes of others...

originally posted by: chr0naut
At the time of the 2013 report, there were only five convicted in the child sex exploitation ring, however more have been identified and prosecuted. Some of those convicted, such as Tony Chapman and Darren Hyett, were not of of Pakistani origin.

It doesn't matter whether they were convicted or not, the victims specifically mention whom they are, which the police, like since Obama, decided to just label them "Asian gangs" when they are Pakistani criminals...

originally posted by: chr0naut
But, aside from that, are you suggesting that all Pakistani immigrants are sexually exploiting children? Because it would seem that you are making strong correlations between their 'foreignness', and their immigrant status, and generalizing crime as relating to that rather than to individual criminality.

Is that what I wrote?... Are all Pakistanis criminals?... Look... stop hiding behind the damn race card, I am not a racist.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Perhaps that is because if you want to catch and prosecute criminals, you catch and prosecute actual criminals, you don't go out after groups of people who may look like them. That is a waste of effort.

Ah, so if a white criminal were to murder someone, i guess in your so wise opinion the witness must claim the criminal is Hispanic?...



Not every Muslim is a radical, but to not label the real perpetrators of crime is not only a disservice to the public, but it also shows the coverup from western authorities whom are being PC.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Charles Manson was an American and a organized a number of murders. There have been American rapists and drug lords too. We should arrest all Americans on sight, right?

Did the meaning of my argument of "Not every Muslim is a radical" is somehow lost to you?... Not to mention the FACT that countries like Germany, France, etc have seen an increase in crimes from "refugees" which went in droves to those countries...

It got so bad that people from both the left and the right have turned against refugees in places like Germany.