What is Actually Happening in the United States Which Was Predicted 35 Years Ago.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I think we all need to be learning about GESARA

The Global Economic Security and Reform Act is a global prosperity program on the verge of being announced and activated. This program is backed by precious metals deliverable well above quattuordecillion of US dollars (40 zeros).

All 8 billion of the human population will benefit from GESARA. And the Earth will finally be free to experience itself as the abundant planet it was created to be. Few realize that there is more than enough gold to make all human currencies in circulation.

This means that any and every human being could become a multi-millionaire instantly without debt of any kind if only given the resources. GESARA is about sharing the gold resources saved from humanity to humanity with humanity for humanity around the planet in a fair way.

There is also a more regional US version called NESARA

Partial list link here for full list- NESARA

Changes will begin in the United States. These are just a few of the reforms NESARA will bring:
- Erases all credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities
-Abolishes the IRS and all income tax.......
-Creates a new US Treasury rainbow currency — one backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals, ending the bankruptcy of the United States initiated by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933.......
-Eliminates the Federal Reserve system
-Ends all aggressive US government military actions worldwide
-Establishes Peace throughout the world — US troops will be brought home from around the world as Peace is declared; in alignment with the Constitution, there will be No standing armies, and that will be permanently observed
-Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes
-Enables the release of thousands of suppressed technologies currently being withheld from the public under the guise of national security — this includes free energy devices, antigravity devices, and sonic healing machines [6,000 technologies will be released initially, followed by the release of more than 60,000 technologies]

How you like those Promises? Seems nice, but at what cost? Future Beast system?

a reply to: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

Cool! So you dont pay taxes over there? Else, i got some bad news for you....

Well evidently you don't.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

AMERICA WILL NEVER BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY!

Don't worry, wealth inequality is so extreme the dollar will have to collapse to nothing in value first.

It was worth about four cents in 2004 and has since then rebounded so you might be wrong.

a reply to: Lumenari

Tell it to the farmers. I'm sure they'd agree.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: chr0naut

Freedom is subjective.

Can I choose to move somewhere within my country to find the freedoms I find more important, absolutely.

Are some areas of this country oppressive to me? Yup. State and localities can be stricter or inversely more lenient.

It's hard to say America as a whole. The older I get, the more I realize there are many cultural nuances.

Which country in the world has the highest incarceration rate?

You cannot get any more absolute than that.

Freedom does not mean how many is in prison.
Or , are you taking up the effort of a complete lawless society ?
Sure sounds like it

Ah, but prison is not the only way to deal with lawlessness and as far as an effective deterrent, it just isn't particularly effective.

In the 500 years before they had Kings, the nation of Israel was ruled by a system of Judges with religious authority. They had no other formal government, no police force, no armed forces, no jails and apparently very little crime. Their 613 laws, at the time, were primarily religious ones and they thrived and grew nationally, civilly and commercially, even under the pressures of surrounding belligerent nations, regional famines and ad-hoc trading alliances. The civilly relevant laws of Israel became the basis of most Western common law, including that of the United States.

And, there are also in your system, oppressive and excessive laws that criminalize victimless and minor infractions, which have little societal impact, but are cultural.

Consider the issue of public nudity, is that a jail-able offense? Consider it's societal impact if it allowed to occur in terms of law enforcement? It would still carry social stigma. Then look at response to drug addictions. I would see them as medical issues and far better 'treated' by medical and economic means than by criminalization of all involved (which has proven ineffective as well).

The concept of American personal liberty is more slogan than fact. It can be achieved if the omissions in fact are properly addressed but how can it ever be achieved while the slogans are chanted and the failures are ignored?

Consider that in the countries where I went to school, there are no such things as "civics" classes. We had no indoctrination into one political system. We did have Social Science classes where we examined Roman and American republicanism, modern democracies, the Westminster system, monarchies, socialism, communism and even despot dictatorships but these were approached as cultural, technical and historical evaluations and not as indoctrination.

America is, relatively, quite free but it isn't the pinnacle example, by any means. America has never been a bastion of freedom in a mostly oppressed world and it's current non-purely democratically elected, isolationist and right-wing authoritarian government erodes is position of "personal liberty" for its citizens more and more every day.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm retired and comfortable . Worked in a machine shop for 40 years ( non union ) Wife worked too , and no debt so it is possible . My kids are grown and married and will be able to retire in the same situation as my wife and I .

a reply to: chr0naut

Not one ‘right’ has been taken from one citizen since President Trump was rightfully elected

Unlike the fascist regime of the failure that is Jacinda Adern, who was NOT rightfully elected (and won’t ever serve a second term) Stripping rights is her ‘thing’.

Pathetic

“personal liberty eroding more and more every day”

Jesus Christ you leftists are thick

a reply to: dfnj2015

Ah yes, that old misconception of socialism that if the government does it, it must be socialism. I.e. the military is socialist. Of course it isn't, but apparently that's the belief. Bailing out banks is also not socialism. It's certainly a bad thing for the government to do, but it is not socialism/fascism.

People are always predicting all kinds of things. If two people predict opposite things, at least one will be partially right. And people forget failed predictions, so that even makes it easier.

The hardest part of proving any prediction accurate is proving what actually happened or what is the current true state of affairs right now. Seeing as how history is constantly being rewritten to match new information, how confident can you really be that you know the truth of what's going on right now?

a reply to: chr0naut
Sounds like you are a subscriber to the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz style
"Those Republicans , they think anything illegal is against the law"

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

Not one ‘right’ has been taken from one citizen since President Trump was rightfully elected

Not true.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks - civilrights.org

Unlike the fascist regime

The party of Jacinda Ardern is the Labour Party, which is a center-left party. Fascists are extreme right-wing. Fascism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly, the current New Zealand government is a coalition government of the center-left Labour party, and the center-right New Zealand First party (the Prime Minister is from Labour and the Deputy Prime Minister is from New Zealand First. Considering that the coalition of parties that included Labour, got more votes than any other party or coalition, and that no one party had enough votes to claim majority, that sounds like an entirely fair and balanced electoral result.

In fact, the previous government/s in previous years were also coalitions. So if they were legitimate, then so is Ardern's government. I suppose such an arrangement 'for the good of the nation' is anathema to someone from a highly adversarial and partisan political system.

of the failure that is Jacinda Adern, who was NOT rightfully elected (and won’t ever serve a second term) Stripping rights is her ‘thing’.

Ardern's party had the highest number of votes within the coalition of parties that are in our current government. A coalition which received more votes that any other.

She was rightfully elected by the rules of our system of government, which have proven to be balanced and effective.

What rights has she stripped? List them.

Pathetic
“personal liberty eroding more and more every day”

My personal liberty has not changed. What has eroded from it?

Perhaps you could identify the changes year to year in one of the many indicies of freedom that exist?

List of freedom indices From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus Christ you leftists are thick

I am not a leftist. I voted for the center-right National Party in the last election and have been pleasantly surprised at the balanced and reasonable performance of the current government.

Tell me, what has Trump, or his government, actually done in the light of the recent mass shootings (as a specific indicator of governmental action)?

In our country, we changed and enacted new laws within two weeks that seek to prevent further occurrence of such things and these laws were carefully debated and evaluated publicly, by all involved parties, regardless of their philosophical stand-point and including gun owner associations, before being framed. Stuff got done!

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: chr0naut
Sounds like you are a subscriber to the Debbie Wasserman-Schultz style
"Those Republicans , they think anything illegal is against the law"

Simply, no.

I'm not American at all. I don't, and I suspect I cannot, belong to any American political party. This leads to me not having any pressure to 'tow the party line' in any discussion of issues (which probably makes my views strongly non-partisan in American context).

I have seen an endless barrage of pro-Republican posters on ATS tell me what 'the Democrats' believe, say and think. Very few of them seem to be so voluble about what 'the Republicans' do, say or think. My guess is that they don't actually know and are just aping the belligerence of their 'leaders' (but I could be wrong).

Doesn't matter anyway. I will never vote for a single one of your politicians, even if I did somehow gain the privilege of doing so. Most of the current bunch are crap IMHO.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Socialism is good when it builds a commonwealth. Not so much when it goes to bailout banks and trillion per year on the military.

Could you tell us about your extensive experiences with socialism?... Or are you yet another left-winger living in a capitalist nation while proclaiming "capitalism is evil?..."

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: MisterSpock

Free except peoples wages suck, everyone is debt, and there's really no chance anyway can ever save enough to retire comfortable. Healthcare costs are skyrocketing and gasoline is probably twice as much as it should.

Oh wait, you mean "free" in the sense the CEOs and billionaires can gouge the American people without any consequence. Got it.

If you are still working at a McDonald's it is no ones fault except yours... CEOs are not pulling a gun to your head and forcing you to continue in your low wage job. Right now, and thanks to POTUS Trump, there are over 7 million jobs that are open and anyone could apply to those jobs... You could take up a trade, many trade jobs give you training, so stop blaming others for what YOU alone are responsible for...

Let me give you a piece of advice... NO ONE, not even Bernie Sanders, will lift a finger to better your life, and the only way people will and can help you it's if they see YOU put your best effort at bettering your own life, and your job.

If you continue being a sour face and continue blaming others for the fact that YOU are not puting any effort to better your life, NO ONE will lift a finger to help you. You need to learn to help yourself. Put on your grown up pants and put 110% percent effort to better your own life...

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

AMERICA WILL NEVER BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY!

Not from a lack of trying from Democrats/liberals/socialists/communists.

a reply to: Lumenari

People like dfnj2015 are too stucked on themselves and their envy on wanting what others have without him puting any effort... dfnj2015, like many others, simply want to be given everything free... To me it seems that dfnj2015 is almost always in a sour mood, and he will blame others for it...

originally posted by: chr0naut

Not true.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks - civilrights.org
...

What is not true is the claim that POTUS Trump is trampling people's rights... It has been shown before that OBAMA was the first one to want to put a travel ban on those countries, and the list of Muslim nations that POTUS Trump wanted to put travel bans on was the SAME LIST Obama had... Not to mention the FACT that the travel ban is in what 7 countries out of like 50 Muslim countries?...

There are between 49 and 51 Muslim-majority countries in the world, according to estimates from 2010. The fluctuation is a result of the changing demographics in countries where Muslims comprise around 50 percent of the population.
...

www.reference.com...

Those countries that POTUS Trump wanted to put a travel extension on are countries in which radical Muslims have had control of.

Are you going to continue to try, like you always do, to lie your way through and attempt to derail threads like this one?... Or will you actually discuss what the thread is about?...

originally posted by: chr0naut

Which country in the world has the highest incarceration rate?

You cannot get any more absolute than that.

Ah, so perhaps you want a world system like China's, in which people are executed for almost any crime INCLUDING Drugs, and the family of those executed are charged for the bullet used to execute their relative...

Or what about the programs in some European nations in which prisons have been converted into 5 star motels and criminals get to live like kings and queens at the expense of tax payers?...

You want to talk about which country is more free and you ignore the fact that now in many European countries, including Sweden, people can be sent to jail and pay hefty fines if they dare report that Muslim refugee neighbors are defecating/urinating in the streets?...

Woman, 70, Says Migrants Defecate In Streets, Set Cars on Fire. Cops Charge Her With Hate Crime.

Or what about this?

Swedish Whistleblower Cop Put on Notice for Claiming Gang Rape ‘Cultural Phenomenon’ Linked to Mass Migration

People are so free in Sweden and other European countries...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Not from a lack of trying from Democrats/liberals/socialists/communists.

And the elites most of all. That's their big goal, to have a world they can control.
So nothing short of massive bloodshed will suffice. They stand in the way of a
better world. So an out of control population could chase down every bloodline
and eradicate them and their psychopathic views from existence. Or they have
their way perpetually. A one time deal and we're done with it.

originally posted by: chr0naut
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This leads to me not having any pressure to 'tow the party line' in any discussion of issues (which probably makes my views strongly non-partisan in American context).
...

ROFLMAO... you should be a comedian... "chr0naut is non-partisan in American context"... LOL That's a good joke, and that's all it is...